Talk:Thai cat

Their elegant cousins

The text of the article contained the wording

Thai cats maintain a look distinct from that of their elegant cousins the Western show Siamese.

The use of the word "elegant" in this context is an opinion, and it suggests that the Thai breed is not elegant. Many Thai breeders would disagree strongly. In any case, it's in violation of Wikipedia policy, so I've rephrased the sentence. Groogle (talk) 04:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

how exactly did this process happen?

the citation says "The preferred Thai cat is 100% imported from Thailand". This makes me wonder:

1 what is the proportion of officially registered Western Siamese cats brought into the Thai cat's genepool in relation to Wichen-Mats (whatever they are)imported from Asia?

2 are these wichen mats an actual breed registerd in some kind of cat registry ?

3 have all the cats that were allowed into Thai cat's genepool been purebred (officially registered in major cat registries for many generations)or maybe thai enthusiast have been breeding some bloodlines on their own without registering them ??? 83.7.153.242 (talk) 00:51, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Tagged statement in History sect for contradict.

I tagged the following statement in the History section as contradictory to the Siamese (cat) article:

Starting in the late 1800s, the wichien-maat was first imported to the West, starting with England,

According to the Siamese article, the first one documented in the West was in the US (with a citation, which this article lacks). I frankly don't know what the history is, but this article could perhaps be re-worded, something like the first wichien maat imported for breeding... Still needs a source though. Richigi (talk) 23:17, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 26 June 2017

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The result of the move request was:  Not done (pmc) DrStrauss talk 16:23, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

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Thai cat → Thai (cat breed) – "Thai cat" isn't adequately unambiguous, as it could be interpreted to mean any of the cat breeds originating in Thailand (especially by non-cat-experts). Article was previously renamed to Thai (cat) in 2009 but was reverted by User:SMcCandlish in 2014. Paul_012 (talk) 15:19, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Oppose. There is no notable ambiguous topic. "Cats that happen to be from Thailand" (or "Thailand as a place from which some cat breeds originated", or any other formulation) is not and never will be a viable Wikipedia article topic. Hatnotes and the article text itself (which explains the inter-breed relationships) are already sufficient disambiguation. By the nominator's reasoning, every article on any breed of anything with a geographic or cultural name would be moved to parenthetic disambiguation – after we painstakingly normalized them all away from parenthetic, for good reasons.

Our disambiguation system is a simple navigational tool; it is not and never has been a "try to compensate for every possible form of confusion, ignorance, or assumption" methodology. For example, Amazon feminism is sufficient natural disambiguation (versus Amazon (feminism) in parenthetic disambiguation, or Feminism, Amazon in the disused comma disambiguation style), even though someone somewhere probably thinks this phrase has something to do with the legendary Amazons or with the river or with Amazon.com. This is an encyclopedia, so we inform readers quite quickly what the actual topic really is.

The main reason for normalizing away from parenthetic disambiguation is that article title policy tells us to use natural names in favor of any form of disambiguation (i.e., prefer Schnauzer over Schnauzer dog or Schnauzer (dog) or Schnauzer (breed) or Schnauzer (dog breed) or whatever), and furthermore to favor natural disambiguation over parenthetic, comma, or descriptive if disambiguation is necessary, which is the case here. We all obviously know that "I have a Thai cat" is the natural way to state it (in any context in which the topic was not already cats and with "Thai" by itself already certain to be taken as a breed name).

Because the move of breed articles away from parenthetic disambiguation was the collective and consistent outcome of numerous mass and individual RMs, all concluding with the same result, to move hundreds of articles to a consistent and policy-preferred natural (or no) disambiguation pattern (and to not move articles already with such names away from them to parenthetic ones), over about a two-year span (see WP:BREEDDAB for details), this RM should be speedily closed as rehash, or just retracted by the nominator.
 — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  00:39, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

The Thai Wikipedia does have an article covering the traditional Thai cat breeds at th:แมวไทย, and I imagine a viable article could be written on the topic, given the availability of in-depth sources such as Martin Clutterbuck's book. There's already some overlap regarding historical and social aspects among articles in the aforementioned category, which could benefit from being covered in a central concept article. That said, I acknowledge that such an article does not exist yet, so, in hindsight, this RM appears to have been raised rather prematurely. I won't withdraw the request just yet, though, in case someone has something else to add to the discussion, which might be of value in the case that such an article is written in the future. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:51, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose per SMcCandlish. The natural disambiguation seems good in this case, as in many like it. Dicklyon (talk) 05:25, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

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Thai translation inaccurate

Am having difficulty finding a Thai language dictionary or even Google translate that will translate "วิเชียรมาศ" as "moon diamond". Google glosses moon as "ดวงจันทร์" and diamond as "เพชร". These are not even close. Is there a definitive translation of "วิเชียรมาศ"? Kortoso (talk) 01:51, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

A reverse translation wouldn't work, in much the same way that one wouldn't get "Luna" rather than "Moon" from a tool translating into English. That said, though, the word for moon is actually "มาส", not "มาศ" (which actually means "gold"). The two are quite often-confused homophones, so it's possible that "moon diamond" is a widespread misconception. --Paul_012 (talk) 03:33, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Actually, some sources indicate that the original spelling in the Treatise on Cats manuscripts give the name as "วิเชียรมาส". If that is indeed the case, diamond+moon would be correct, and the current spelling probably a later corruption. (I note, though, that the noun/adjective order is pretty much unclear, as the words are of Pali/Sanskrit roots. Such terms usually follow an adjective-noun order when combined with samasa, but the pronunciation here doesn't feature the samasa connection, so it might be the case that it'd follow the Thai noun-adjective order instead.) --Paul_012 (talk) 03:43, 15 August 2018 (UTC)