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good alumni, old(ish) school. No pics more refs reqd e.g "one of the oldest" Victuallers 16:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

School age/independence

It is actually the 2nd oldest school in glasgow according to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_oldest_schools_in_the_United_Kingdom The High School of Glasgow is the oldest dating to pre 1124 according to wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.149.99 (talk) 18:32, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than "it is the oldest fully independent school", it might be better to say "it was the first fully independent school in Glasgow" as while the High School was run by the Church then State, it is still the oldest school, and is fully independent. 62.56.76.246 (talk) 00:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The School's own website refers to it as "the oldest fully-independent school in Glasgow", so surely if the school itself claims it, it must be correct. Chris (talk) 17:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But just because someone claims something on their OWN website doesn't mean it's true. We have hard facts that The High School of Glasgow is the oldest and I think we should change it accordingly. Again just because someone puts a fact on their own website doesn't mean it is true.

We aren't really debating about which school is the oldest school in Glasgow. It is undoubted that The High School of Glasgow is the oldest school, however The Glasgow Academy is the oldest fully independent school in Glasgow, as stated on their website. The Boys' High School of Glasgow closed sometime after 1905[1] and after its closure, the new, NOW independent (co-educational) High School of Glasgow came into existence. [2] As stated above, The High School of Glasgow was run by the Church then the state, not to mention the fact that the school has received funding for certain aspects of the school, it became fully independent after The Glasgow Academy, making the debated statement true. Chris (talk) 18:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The High School of Glasgow is actually the second oldest school as it had previously been known as Glasgow High School, however, the name was changed to The High School of Glasgow after The Glasgow Academy was founded making it technically the second oldest school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Henc6 (talk • contribs) 09:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

George Macdonald Fraser

According to the Telegraph [3] he seems to have been educated here - and I think a famous alumnus such as Fraser shouldn't be left out of the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackdelyelis (talk • contribs) 13:53, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rewriting this

Hopefully someone will want to rewrite this after my copyright deletions, etc. Please use Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines. The 'oldest' claim needs a third party source - see WP:RS. --Dougweller (talk) 16:54, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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History

What about the schools history? There's some information on that on the schools own homepage. Especially its role during the War sounds interesting to me, but my language-skills aren't good enough, so I hope for someone else to contribute... --194.95.117.68 (talk) 15:11, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move?

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The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 21:50, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Glasgow Academy → The Glasgow Academy –

Someone did this move by cut-and-paste, and I history-merged it. Better get it discussed. Relisted. BDD (talk) 17:19, 2 August 2013 (UTC) Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:50, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely, AA, especially when the article has been moved in the opposite direction in the past, using the WP:RM process is essential. I have no strong views on the correct title, except to note that the school's website refers to itself as "The Glasgow Academy" throughout. --NSH001 (talk) 13:48, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite or indefinite article at beginning of name) - including "The" at the start of an article title is generally avoided. That page has a section about universities, which seems about equivalent here - "The" is not included in the article title for a university, even if the university usually refers to itself as "The University of X". As NSH001 says, the school website uses "The Glasgow Academy", but I don't know if that is used by any external sources. --Vclaw (talk) 16:41, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No need to include a definite article. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:05, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Convention appears to be that definite article is generally better avoided, prepared to bet money that this is not what most people will search for. PatGallacher (talk) 23:55, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support I could not find any sources from a cursory search which ever omit the article, and it is always capitalised. the short form used on the school's website and elsewhere appears to be "The Academy". Furthermore, Google matches a whole lot of other academies in Glasgow when you omit "The" for example the O2 Academy Glasgow and Glasgow Academy Musical Theatre Arts. Regarding WP:THE, this article satisfies condition (2) in the lede of that guideline, which states that "The" should be included if it is normally capitalized in running text, which it is. — Amakuru (talk) 12:59, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – contrary to what Amakuru says, lowercase "the" seems to be more common in sentence context. In book n-grams, the trigram with cap The was not above threshold, so it's hard to say by how much: [4]. Dicklyon (talk) 06:32, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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