Talk:The New Oxford Book of Carols

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Anthony Burgess

I'm pretty sure this book was reviewed in the Observer by Anthony Burgess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.152.31 (talk) 19:37, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 December 2017

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The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 20:15, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

New Oxford Book of Carols → The New Oxford Book of Carols – Per WP:NCTHE. 142.161.81.20 (talk) 22:40, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). TonyBallioni (talk) 04:31, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. "The" is not part of the proper name. Brad v 04:19, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Bradv: On what basis do you believe that the definite article is not part of the proper name, given that the definite article has been consistently used by the work itself since its first publication? 142.161.81.20 (talk) 05:51, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support The definite article most certainly is part of the proper name of the book as can be seen from the cover. Click through its ISBN number here ISBN 978-0193533226 and you will see that all but one of the sources use the definite article in the title. Only http://www.copyright.com/openurl.do?isbn=9780193533226&servicename=all&WT.mc_id=wikipedia does not. It seems it's also the book's WP:COMMONNAME as well. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:41, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - per nominator's citation of WP:NCTHE - "If the definite or indefinite article would be capitalized in running text, then include it at the beginning of the Wikipedia article name" and Walter Görlitz's evidence that this applies. 79.65.126.84 (talk) 14:32, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - OUP consistently describes its own book with the definite article, and it's on the cover. The The is part of its name. WP:NCTHE states: "The definite or indefinite article is sometimes included in the official title of literary works as well as other kinds of fiction and non-fiction publications and works such as newspapers, films and visual artworks. In this case, the article should be included in the name of the corresponding Wikipedia article as well." Cnbrb (talk) 12:11, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: there is some inconsistency across the Category:Oxford University Press books. Some OUP book articles use the definite article (such as The Oxford History of Western Music), while others do not. I think these should be standardised, and my preference is to include the definite article. I have added move discussions on (The) Oxford Book of English Madrigals and (The) Oxford Book of Tudor Anthems - contributions invited! Cnbrb (talk) 12:11, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support, per nom and comments. And per it's the name of the book and we are an encyclopedia. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:03, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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