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Proposed merge with Turnberry, Ailsa Course

This article is unnecessary since it is pretty well covered in the target article. ArcAngel (talk) ) 02:19, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, you are proposing to merge Turnberry, Ailsa Course into Turnberry (golf course). Correct? PK T(alk) 03:51, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's correct. ArcAngel (talk) ) 21:26, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support.......PK T(alk) 13:15, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support merging Ailsa Course content into this article. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 21:18, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have made Turnberry, Ailsa Course a redirect here but if any material needs merging or if the title of the target needs changing, that's fine by me. Thincat (talk) 09:15, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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TURNBERRY HOTEL MERITS ITS OWN ENTRY

Why has this world-famous hotel not got its own entry?! If Gleneagles and the Balmoral are entitled to their own pages then Turnberry should have the same and therefore should be included in the Wikipedia category 'The Leading Hotels of the World'. Turnberry is a far more attractive hotel than the two others aforementioned and is also a 5-star hotel whose golf course is more renowned than that of Gleneagles. Or has it got something to do with its association with Trump? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.175.81 (talk) 19:19, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The course and hotel have an extensive 100+ history that has nothing to do with the Orange Asshole, and I'm looking at expanding it now .... if it turns out there is too much information about the hotel to fit in the article about the course, sure it can have an article. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:37, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Russia and remuneration controversies

Moved from personal talk page:

Hi. I have once again removed the link. The largely speculative journalism that produced the original news reports have since been updated and corrected as follows:
"Correction: This story has been updated to reflect that the subpoena did not include documents from Trump's golf course in Turnberry, Scotland." [1]. Should you wish to discuss further please use the article talk page. Thanks. _wjemather ^{please leave a message...} 09:44, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
FYI. I have also rationalized the Trump controversy sections, removing speculation, hearsay and stuff that is not explicitly supported by the sources. _wjemather ^{please leave a message...} 10:01, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

I have again removed some content ("he said/she said"), and a template & a link that only relate to Trump/Trump Jr, as they do not directly relate to Turnberry (which is after-all the subject of this article). Indeed, neither "Turnberry" nor "golf" are mentioned in the timeline article, or linked to in the template. _wjemather ^{please leave a message...} 01:03, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from personal talk page:

Please keep additions limited to only those directly related to Turnberry. The article should not be used as a coatrack for reaching a wider audience for other issues which are extensively covered in their rightful place. Thanks. _wjemather ^{please leave a message...} 10:08, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See my ESs. X1\ (talk) 04:27, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

From long-standing item deleted here:

Golf reporter James Dodson alleged that in 2013, Eric Trump told him that the funding for the Trump golf courses came from Russia, a charge Eric Trump has denied.^[1]

This is documented in RSs. We have both sides represented.

The Trump/Russia topic is of American historical significance. This long-standing item (since 14 March 2019 here) is significant, and should be kept. X1\ (talk) 04:42, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The most logical article for these things to be included in is Donald Trump and golf (which is linked from this article), and I can't see there would (should) be much objection to that. However, the issue here is that none of them directly relate to Turnberry (without a great deal of WP:SYNTH); they only relate to Trump's golf courses in general, so they really have no place here.

Dodson: other than the accompanying photo being taken at Turnberry, there is no suggestion that Eric Trumps alleged comments related to Turnberry; indeed Turnberry is not mentioned. While some later sources do discuss Turnberry, they are all largely speculative and only hark back to Dodson's allegations in passing without offering any explicit link. As such addition of this incident here contravenes WP:UNDUE and WP:SYNTH.
Timeline link: there is no mention of Turnberry (or even golf) in the linked timeline and (as already highlighted above) while the three sources ([2],[3],[4]) that are being put forward to support it did originally state Turnberry documents were part of the subpoena, corrections have since been made to state that was explicitly not the case (second source).
While I have reservations about the remaining Trump-Russia content being here (as stated Donald Trump and golf would be a better place for it) as again there is no explicit link to Turnberry, I don't see a single brief paragraph as being too problematic.
Trump sidebar template: per WP:NOTEVERYTHING this template is not useful here. (Also note that two editors have now removed this.)
Sub-headings: as there is a single paragraph for each of only two "controversies" sub-headings are unnecessary and appear to being used simply to draw WP:UNDUE attention.

Further, the idea that "long-standing" content should remain has consistently been given no weight unless it is supported by a discussion that reaches a consensus for inclusion. As content often does not get properly scrutinised immediately – it can take years for things to be checked properly, if at all – especially when seemingly supported by sources. Those sources have now been scrutinised and they do not support the additions.
Finally, per H:ES, please elucidate your arguments on the talk page (i.e. here) as it is almost impossible to follow from edit summaries . _wjemather ^{please leave a message...} 12:30, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, if there is a stable "longstanding version" it would probably be this one [5] from March 2019, prior to the addition of what is (for the most part) general "Trump and golf" content. _wjemather ^{please leave a message...} 11:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Eric Trump Denies Telling A Sportswriter The Trumps Got Golf Course Funding From Russia". wbur.org. Retrieved 2019-03-14.

[1] "Eric Trump Denies Telling A Sportswriter The Trumps Got Golf Course Funding From Russia". wbur.org. Retrieved 2019-03-14.

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