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i'm considering getting a yupik audio language course.

it looks like this language is going to be difficult for me to learn...

Gringo300 19:29, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the postalveolar affricate /tS/ listed under velar?

--TzirTzi 22:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I speak Yuqtun. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.237.147.82 (talk) 23:36, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Pre-European Yupik writing?

Currently the beginning of the segment in this article on writing systems states that"The Yupik languages were not written until the arrival of Europeans around the beginning of the 19th century", but on the WP article for the Yupik People^[1] there is a vague sentence under Languages cited with a similarly vague sentence on the Canadian Government Libraries & Archives^[2] that the Yupik and the Inupiat peoples had a pictographic writing system that fell out of use prior to European contact(?). Is there anyone who has any more evidence or information on this writing system, such as pictures or clarification for how long it was used (e.g. does historical evidence lend credence to the fact that it was widely used by the tribes or that it was only used by a small number of people over a single generation? As I mentioned on the other article's Talk page, "Died with it's creators" is infuriatingly vague!)? Any information on this could would be very much appreciated.

SlimShadyCommanda (talk) 05:25, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The source in question says that the Yupik and Inupiat used the Moravian system. The picture writing is mentioned onnly with “Alaskans”, and apparently postdates the Moravian system, as in the previous paragraph the article mentions missonary systems as being the earliest writing in the region, and other sources I’ve read have its inventor as someone who was already working as a translator with missionaries. Also, that system may not have been actual writing, which records the words and grammar of a language - picture writing is often just a set of mnemonics. There does appear to be a fully-fleged writing system developed by a Yupik speaker around 1900; I’ll hunt down decent sources for that. Ergative rlt (talk)

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This article is unclear and does not use linguistic terminology:

...A few features of the script are that it uses 'q' for the back version of 'k', 'r' for the Yupik sound that resembles the French 'r', and consonant + ' for a geminated (lengthened) consonant... (Terrible descriptions)

...c [ts]~[tʃ], g [ɣ], gg [x], k, l [l], ll [ɬ], m, ḿ (voiceless m), n (alveolar), ń (voiceless n), ng [ŋ], ńg (voiceless ŋ), p, q [q], r [ʁ], rr [χ], s [z], ss [s], t (alveolar), û [w], v [v]~[w], vv [f], w [χʷ], y [j], (gemination of preceding consonant)... (Impossible to parse, use a table!)

...Yupik languages have four vowels: 'a', 'i', 'u' and schwa (ə). They have from 13 to 27 consonants. Central Yup'ik Vowels: a, aa, e (ə) (schwa), i, ii, u, uu... (Why are we discussing consonants in a Vowels section? Also bad formatting without IPA.)

Alternation between Yupik and Yup'ik

...Yup'ik verbs always begin with a root morpheme like "kaig" - to be hungry, and always end with a pronoun... (Can we choose how to format English/Yup'ik?)

...(called Cup’ik or Cup'ig)... (Different links?)

No links to various pages (such as "Cyrillic")

Honestly the article seems unprofessional. Language Boi (talk) 00:58, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yupik

[2] ttp://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/inuit/020018-1200-e.html

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