Template:Did you know nominations/Chun Chik-yu
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:23, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
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Chun Chik-yu
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Chun Chik-yu
... that Chun Chik-yu (pictured), a descendant of Hawaiian chiefs, became Governor of Guangdong?
- Reviewed: Battle of the Aegates
Created by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 06:34, 2 February 2020 (UTC).
A very interesting article! It is new enough, long enough, and well referenced. QPQ is done. No copyvio issues. Image is freely licensed. Hook is interesting, but there's some inconsistency: the hook says he went to Harvard, but the article says he went to Yale. The source (Dye 2010) seems to say that he went to Harvard and his brother went to Yale. Also, Dye records his Chinese name as Chan Chik-ye. Is that just an alternate form of Chik-yu? -Zanhe (talk) 03:55, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Zanhe: Oh forgot to change the hook. I don't think he attended Harvard though anymore. That was his brother Albert who attended Harvard. His attendance at Yale or Harvard is not mentioned in the 1997 book. It only mentions the Hartford preparatory school. What would help is an alumni book entry or something. Dye 1997 also uses "Chun Chik-ye" in the family tree. Romanticization was not standardized at the time. Chose "Chun Chik-yu" since it was how I came to spell it in his father's article and also how it appears in a few other sources. KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:26, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Well, Dye 2010 (p. 26) does say he went to Harvard, but that's not essential to the hook, so I have no problem with it being taken out. However, the stuff about Yale (which his brother went to) needs to be removed from the article. BTW, I've changed "the" to "a" in the hook. -Zanhe (talk) 06:35, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- I am aware what it says, but it is not found in the much more researched 1997 book which gives the narrative of most members of his family including the son who actually went to Harvard Albert Fayerweather Leialoha Afong. For Toney's Yale attendance, we have Teng 2013: "Chen Fang sent two of his sons, Alung and Toney, to study in Hartford under Yung Wing's guardianship, and then at Yale. Another son attended Harvard." [1]. Also Char 1975 [2]. Also [3] KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:48, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the detailed explanation. Revised hook is good to go. -Zanhe (talk) 07:08, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
My problem with this hook as it stands it's only going to be interesting to those few who know that Guangdong is a Chinese province. If it's made more clear that a descendent of Hawaiian chiefs became governor of a Chinese province, the hook will work much better. Proposing ALT1 (pinging KAVEBEAR and Zanhe):
- ALT1: ... that Chun Chik-yu (pictured), a descendant of Hawaiian chiefs, became Governor of Guangdong Province in China?
- While I've added wikilinks to Guangdong in the nominated article, I'll let you decide whether it's needed in ALT1. —BlueMoonset (talk) 01:45, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- I am aware what it says, but it is not found in the much more researched 1997 book which gives the narrative of most members of his family including the son who actually went to Harvard Albert Fayerweather Leialoha Afong. For Toney's Yale attendance, we have Teng 2013: "Chen Fang sent two of his sons, Alung and Toney, to study in Hartford under Yung Wing's guardianship, and then at Yale. Another son attended Harvard." [1]. Also Char 1975 [2]. Also [3] KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:48, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Well, Dye 2010 (p. 26) does say he went to Harvard, but that's not essential to the hook, so I have no problem with it being taken out. However, the stuff about Yale (which his brother went to) needs to be removed from the article. BTW, I've changed "the" to "a" in the hook. -Zanhe (talk) 06:35, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
