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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:38, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

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Ferrari 330 TRI/LM

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Ferrari 330 TRI/LM
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  • ALT1... that the Ferrari 330 TRI/LM, the last front engined racecar to win the 24 Hours of Le Mans, has been driven in New York City by various owners after the end of its racing career?

Moved to mainspace by Donnie Park (talk). Self-nominated at 01:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC).

  • @Donnie Park: I understand you're still working on this article, but I wanted to make you aware of some substantial copyright violations/close paraphrasing that should be removed as soon as possible (and definitely corrected before this runs). See this copyvios report. Some of the similarity comes from a quote, which is not a problem, but there's several sentences/phrases outside of that quote that are word-for-word the same as the source. ~ RobTalk 16:30, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
  • BU Rob13 I done as much as I can, that's for a dormant article that was left lying in my hard drive for 6 years and with a total loss of motivation and am struggling to bring this down from 61.5%. Donnie Park (talk) 20:20, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
  • I haven't looked again yet, but don't worry too much about the percentage. There was a large block quote taken from that source, which will always give you a high percent. As long as the large quote is properly attributed, it's fine. I'll take a more thorough look later, or another editor is welcome to. ~ RobTalk 20:28, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
  • There shouldn't be an apostrophe in "it's" in the hook, it is referring to the possessive form. There's a similar problem in the article. The hook is cited to the RM Auctions source, but that says it was driven for nine years in New York, but we don't know if that's "regularly" or not. The other part of the hook refers to the claim in the lead, "Against expectations, it won Le Mans on its debut, significantly the last front engined car to win Le Mans in 1962" but I can't obviously see where this is referred to in the article body or verified in any source. Bottom line is I think more work is required before this can pass - as a general rule of them, I find hooks should leap out and be obvious as you write the article. If you do have any ideas for fixing the hook, ping me and I'll have a look. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:52, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
  • @Ritchie333: I hope I fixed the hook whilst still waiting for this to be copyedited however, the source also says "it has been frequently driven" but I modified the hook anyhow. The source does say "only 4-litre Testa Rossa built, it also is the last Testa Rossa and the last front-engined sports racing car built by Ferrari" and "the last front-engined car to capture the overall victory at Le Mans" which confirms to the hook. I managed to bring it down to a 40.5% copyvio but am struggling to bring it down any further as many of these are names and quotes. Donnie Park (talk) 18:22, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Sorry to be a pain, but ALT1 doesn't seem to be particularly "hook worthy" - most cars get driven around after their first owner sells it after all. Let me have a think and see if I can suggest something else. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:04, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
  • "most cars get driven around after their first owner sells it after all"...does that ever happen to a Le Mans winner through NYC which is nowadays impossible unless it's a PR stunt which it wasn't. I'll call for a second opinion. Donnie Park (talk) 14:58, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
  • The original hook is a good one. "most cars get driven around after their first owner sells it" is the most inane comment I've read on the internet today, and I've just come from the Facebook flat earth groups. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:14, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
  • @Andy Dingley: Thanks a lot for your feedback. @Ritchie333: I now found a source that said it was driven daily that had been left unused, so I now solved the sourcing/hook issues. Donnie Park (talk) 09:37, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

@BU Rob13, Ritchie333, and Andy Dingley: Can any of you help wrap up this nomination, which has a target main page date of June 18-19? Any other reviewer would also be good, if this could completed. BlueMoonset are you around and able to help with this? This is a little beyond my scope to review, and the high Earwig copyvio return seems to be mainly the block quote, so that shouldn't be an issue. — Maile (talk) 13:27, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

If I wrapped it up now, it would be "hook still not grabbing me so much, 3 strikes and you're out, close as rejected". Is that what you really want? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:59, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
My Two Cents - as far as I can tell above, there has not actually been a review at all. With the exception of the copyvio issue, none of the basic DYK points seem to have been mentioned. — Maile (talk) 16:16, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
Brought it down to a green level of 38.7%, as I said, a huge portion of the copyvio are made of block quotes and names. New reviewer requested, any advice on bringing the copyvio down. Donnie Park (talk) 17:34, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
I'll finish off the nomination. The article was moved to mainspace on 11 May and nominated 6 days later. At 9324 bytes it is clearly long enough, and the copyvios have been discussed to death, and the QPQ was done. This review has taken forever, which I do apologise about, but if Andy Dingley says the original hook is good, then frankly I am going to take that as a signal that there is consensus for it, and that's what we'll go with. Let's get the thing through prep and queue and put this to bed. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:56, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
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