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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 01:17, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Hamilton Hamilton

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Lil Southern Belles

~~... that Hamilton Hamilton was a landscape painter and helped found the Silvermine Guild of Artists?~~ Source: "After Borglum's death, he and others founded the Silvermine Guild of Artists. At the time of his death, he was known as the Dean of the group." [1] and [2] and [3]

Created by Dmadeo (talk). Self-nominated at 12:05, 15 January 2019 (UTC).

Reviewed: Arizona Territory capitals

@Dmadeo: Can something better be proposed here? Honestly the currently proposed hook is not very interesting. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 13:32, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

I thought about a play on his double name eg "Hamilton Hamilton lived in New York, New York" but couldn't really make it work. What do you think @Dmadeo: of

ALT1:... that painter Hamilton Hamilton, best known for his landscapes of the American west, lived most of his life in the American east?" Find bruce (talk) 04:06, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

I tried hard to come up with something related to Hamilton the musical (which if you try to search for this guy is what you'll be wading through).

ALT2:~~... that painter Hamilton Hamilton, best known for his landscapes of the American west, was not the subject of a musical?~~ (not that we'll get a source for that or anything.) What's interesting about him is that he went west like Bierstadt and Moran, accepted into the Centential exhibition and then faded into obscurity. So perhaps ...
ALT3:~~... that painter Hamilton Hamilton, best known for his landscapes of the American west accepted into the 1876 Centennial Exposition, had twin daughters who became artists?~~ BTW - thank you both for your comments and suggestions @Narutolovehinata5: @Find bruce: dm (talk) 03:02, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Interesting facts from a life, with some "holes", on good sources, no copyvio obvious. - Let's talk about the article first. I'd put one painting in the infobox, to give an idea of his style at a glance. I'd centre the other captions, and more would be nice to know (painted where, size). Too bad we don't have a painting from the American West, or a hook would be easier. Will his relatives get an article, anytime soon. If not, I'd remove the links. - Of the hooks, I like ALT1 best, but would include that he came from England. I strike the original as rather boring, ALT2 as I don't think the musical is sufficiently widely known to make it appealing, and ALT3, as to have twins says nothing about his. I encourage you to select an image, and say something like "while American West early, accepted to a prominent exhibition", he later painted like this". It would be nice if the article could tell us where he painted the southern bells, which seem most attractive (in small size) to me, in 1894. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

One more: please get the refs from the infobox to the article body. Infobox and lead only need refs for things not referenced elsewhere, and for quotations. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:45, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

ALT4:~~... that painter Hamilton Hamilton, best known for his landscapes of the American west, was born in England and lived most of his life in the American east?"~~

ALT5:... that Hamilton Hamilton, best known for his landscapes of the American west, also painted portraits such as "Lil Southern Belles" (pictured)?"

ALT6:... that Hamilton Hamilton, best known for his landscapes of the American west, lived most of his life in the American north east and painted portraits of "Southern Belles" (pictured)?"

following up on suggestions by Gerda Arendt. Alt4 is a slight variation on Alt1. Alt5 tries to work in the painting. It doesn't seem like you can break up his styles by time as he painted both throughout his career. I don't think this one works. Alt6 combines 4 & 5 with a N S E W juxtaposition. Not sure if quote marks are needed or not, so feel free to remove. Find bruce (talk) 00:48, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! I like ALT5 best, but ALT6 is also fine, and I also don't know if you'd need quotation marks. Follow the queue, and the Error pages from the day before appearing, if you are concerned about changes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:06, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

I have a photo of one of his western works I took a few weeks ago when I learned about him. I'll try to figure out the current licensing rules at Commons and upload it, it's a beauty. Thank you both for your comments and revisions to the article... @Find bruce: @Gerda Arendt: dm (talk) 17:46, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

That looks good, and I see no reason why it should be licensed differently from the others. So (and delinking the East, if the West is not linked):

Trout Lake, Colorado, 1879

ALT7:... that Hamilton Hamilton, best known for his landscapes of the American west (example pictured), was born in England and lived most of his life in the American east?

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! I just haven't uploaded photos of public domain paintings (as opposed to pics of old buildings) in several years, so wanted to do it carefully. dm (talk) 23:40, 2 February 2019 (UTC)