Template:Did you know nominations/Isaac I Komnenos

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 00:37, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Isaac I Komnenos

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Gold histamenon showing Isaac I

... ~~that, after he won the throne in battle, Isaac I (pictured) was the only Byzantine emperor to appear on its coins with a naked sword?~~ Source: Kaldellis, Anthony (2017). Streams of Gold, Rivers of Blood: The Rise and Fall of Byzantium, 955 A.D. to the First Crusade. New York: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0190253223 page 219.
- ALT1:... ~~that, after winning the throne of the Byzantine Empire in battle, Isaac I voluntarily abdicated and retired to a monastery?~~ Sewter, Edgar Robert Ashton, ed. (1953). The Chronographia of Michael Psellus. New Haven, Connecticut: Yale University Press. OCLC 427306 page 53.

Reviewed: Narmakosh
Comment: ~~The image is only applicable to ALT0.~~

Improved to Good Article status by Gog the Mild (talk). Self-nominated at 09:01, 21 August 2018 (UTC).

~~On it.~~

Newly GA'd; well long enough (~20k elig. chars.); obv. within policy as GA: fairly neutral with citations for the flowery verbiage like "passionate hunter", well cited, minimal→no copyvio per Earwig; repeated comma issues in page (worst bits fix'd); QPQ done and the objections there were wholly mistaken; image seems to be sourced assuming the Met permits photography and (pace the reviewer) is applicable to any hook about Isaac; hooks terse enough and minimally interesting; minor comma issues in hooks (fix'd); ALT0 struck as unsupported by the source, which calls the portrait "unusual" but nothing like "unique" (Treadgold doesn't seem to support it either; if there's no other source for the contention, similar phrasing should be removed from the article and image captions); ALT1 misleading since the abdication was not in quick succession after the conquest and was for an entirely unforeseen and different reason (he fell ill & was attempting to secure the succession).
New hooks needed. — LlywelynII 18:37, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

@LlywelynII:

ALT2: ... that, two years after winning the throne of the Byzantine Empire in battle, Isaac I (depicted) voluntarily abdicated and retired to a monastery? Gog the Mild (talk) 21:02, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Same comma issue (fix't); I'd personally strike all the other links in ALT2 since they're just going to siphon off hits from the article you worked on, but that's up to the hook writer; ALT2 is otherwise unobjectionable; but, again, if there is no textual support for ALT0, similar phrasing in the article needs to be removed or better sourced before this article and hook get promoted; WP:DON'T LIE is pretty far up the rules hierarchy as things go (Rule 4). Not a personal thing: it's fine if it was an honest mistake, but it needs to get fixed or better sourced before we move forward. — LlywelynII 22:44, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

@LlywelynII: Personally I am a fan of MOS:OL and give it free rein when I can, eg copy editing for GOCE. But in my own articles I am repeatedly picked up for it. Refreshing to be reviewed/assessed by an editor with a similar approach. Changed.

ALT0. It's in the history. Originally it was in the text and sourced. I added an image of an appropriate coin and captioned it. And thought what a good DYK it would make. Before I could do my source check prior to GAN another editor changed the wording and removed the, presumably inaccurate, source. But not the caption. When it was promoted I actually wrote the ALT before looking at the article - after all, I was the nominator and I hadn't changed it, and I had checked all the sources prior to nomination. I read what I thought was there - probably I was too busy admiring the image and reading the caption to that which supported my preconception. The text, which I clearly didn't read, was/is much blander about the implications of his naked sword. I have just amended the image caption to match. Thanks for picking it up. I am hacked off that I let it through, and alarmed that I was sloppy enough to get it into a DYK nom. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:55, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

New reviewer requested, since the original reviewer, LlywelynII, has not returned in over a month. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:24, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

ALT2 is fine with me, we don't have to explain the exact circumstances. I added (depicted). Rest of review per LlywelynII. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:23, 1 October 2018 (UTC)