Template:Did you know nominations/Leafpad

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The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 07:00, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Leafpad

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... that Leafpad is a lightweight text editor, and the default for Linux distributions that use LXDE as their desktop environment? Source: http://lxde.sourceforge.net/about.html Quote that lists the components of LXDE: "Leafpad: Lightweight and simple text editor(This is not developed by us, but we suggest using this as default text editor)."
- ALT1: ... that when installed on Debian on an i386 computer, the lightweight text editor Leafpad only takes up 457kB? Source: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/leafpad#pdownload
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Huliya (poem)

5x expanded by Aoidh (talk). Self-nominated at 10:45, 14 August 2022 (UTC).

Aw – I have a soft spot for Leafpad from my days of tinkering with a Raspberry Pi. Hooks are sourced, neutral, and of appropriate length, but ALT1 is not included in the article. It needs to be added in order to be used as a hook. ALT1 is also the more interesting option here. As for the article itself, it appears to be well-sourced and neutral, and meets DYK-relevant policies including avoidance of plagiarism. Just need to put ALT1 in the prose and we're good to go, I think! ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 04:18, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
Oops, ping Aoidh ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 04:19, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

@Aoidh: Was thinking of reviewing this, but too slow. One comment I had was to consider moving and is similar in visuals and functionality to the Microsoft Windows program Notepad into the lede, as that will give readers a quick understanding of what Leafpad is like. As for ALT1, "i386" isn't really a reference to that specific old architecture but rather is a Debian packaging indicator-of-architecture. Better to say "Intel x86" or "IA-32" or something like that. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:28, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

@Ezlev and Wasted Time R: I added the install size into the prose and the Notepad comparison into the lede. Sorry I'm still on the newer end of doing DYK and thought the install size being included in the infobox counted, but it absolutely makes sense that it should be in the article itself in prose form. Hopefully these changes work. I did add Debian to the hook as that is specifically the install size on Debian; on Arch Linux for example it's only 301kB. I've also provided two possible alternate hooks below:

ALT2: ... that the lightweight text editor Leafpad only takes up 301kB when installed on Arch Linux? Source: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/leafpad/
ALT3: ... that compiling the lightweight text editor Leafpad only requires a single dependency? http://tarot.freeshell.org/leafpad/

I do kind of like the Arch Linux one better, and I do think the small install size is interesting, but given the comment below I am of course open to a different suggeston. Aoidh (talk) 11:17, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Just my 2 cents: could a more interesting hook be proposed, so that people who aren't already deeply familiar with Leafpad might be enticed to read the article if it appears on the main page? A hook should, well, "hook" readers, not simply state mundane facts. Hooks should appeal to a broad audience, like it says above. Both hooks make me want to ignore the article entirely. --Animalparty! (talk) 05:44, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

If you have a suggestion I'm happy to hear it. - Aoidh (talk) 08:50, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

How about

ALT4: ... that Leafpad is to Linux as Notepad is to Windows?

Short and punchy and at least part of it will make sense to a general audience. Wasted Time R (talk) 22:29, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

@Ezlev: Is ALT4 okay? Personally I thought it's the best option, but the ball is in your park. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:02, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, Wasted Time R – I'm afraid ALT4 might be a bit too broad. I read it as implying that Linux comes with Leafpad by default, which isn't true. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 01:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Ezlev: In any case, going with any other option may not be ideal since all of them seem too technical and needs knowledge of computing to appreciate. If no other hook can be suggested, maybe the nomination should be closed? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:56, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

We can modify to:

ALT4a: ... that Leafpad can be to Linux as Notepad always is to Windows?

That should satisfy Ezlev's concern about broadness, and it retains a certain hookiness. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:03, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I do have some alternate hooks that are less technical:

ALT5: ... that Leafpad has been called a perfect replacement for Linux users accustomed to Notepad?
ALT5a: ... that the Linux text editor Leafpad has been called a perfect replacement for Windows Notepad?
ALT6: ... that Leafpad is a text editor for Linux that is comparable to Notepad for Windows?
ALT6a: ... that Leafpad is a text editor for Linux that is comparable to Windows Notepad?

Hopefully one of these works, because I would really like to get this approved given the amount of work put into expanding the article. - Aoidh (talk) 03:16, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

ALT6/ALT6a sound good. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:43, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Agreed! ALT6a is the smoothest, I think, so I'll approve that one.

ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 04:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)