Template:Did you know nominations/Mo Drake
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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 04:21, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
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Mo Drake
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Heinz tin
- ... that Mo Drake's team was behind the advertising slogans "Beanz Meanz Heinz" and "Just One Cornetto"? "Mo Drake, who has died aged 93, was the advertising genius behind the slogan “Beanz Meanz Heinz” in 1967" from: "Mo Drake, advertising maestro who coined the immortal slogan 'Beanz Meanz Heinz' – obituary". The Telegraph. 29 October 2021. Retrieved 18 November 2021. "His team also created the Cornetto ice-cream campaign for Wall's in which a traffic policeman in Rome or a gondolier in Venice hankered after the British-made gelato while singing "Just One Cornetto" to the music of O Sole Mio." from:"Mo Drake obituary". The Times. 25 October 2021. Retrieved 18 November 2021.
- ALT1: ... that Mo Drake's slogan "Beanz Meanz Heinz" was used to advertise Heinz Baked Beans for almost 30 years? "The slogan was used by Heinz for around 30 years" from: "Mo Drake, advertising maestro who coined the immortal slogan 'Beanz Meanz Heinz' – obituary". The Telegraph. 29 October 2021. Retrieved 18 November 2021.
Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 10:01, 19 November 2021 (UTC).
Doing... Reviewing... New enough, long enough, 2 references but that's okay. QPQ provided, great hooks, image clear and free. Copyvio a little high...can you do something there? Will go through and get back later. Thanks @Dumelow:. I imagine others may have some hook suggestions too. Whispyhistory (talk) 11:36, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for looking at this Whispyhistory. I've reworded a few bits, I think most of the earwig score is coming from the quotes - Dumelow (talk) 11:49, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
... Thank you @Dumelow: for responding so swiftly. Copyvio is okay now. Brings back many memories..well done for doing this. Both hooks are good but I prefer the shorter ALT1 with the image please to whoever promotes it. Whispyhistory (talk) 21:21, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for looking at this Whispyhistory. I've reworded a few bits, I think most of the earwig score is coming from the quotes - Dumelow (talk) 11:49, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think you can beat Alt1 but the two source thing really needs fixing. Relying on just two sources for the whole article is far from ideal. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks... ALT1 is good and there are more sources out there...added one and will look more later. Whispyhistory (talk) 21:42, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Dumelow and Whispyhistory: the image licensing doesn't look quite right to me... is this public-domain-threshold-of-originality or fair use of a trademark? I have a hard time believing the photographer owns an image they took of a can of beans with someone else's logo on it. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she?) 09:56, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks... ALT1 is good and there are more sources out there...added one and will look more later. Whispyhistory (talk) 21:42, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Heinz beans tins
Heinz beans
- Not an expert in this area but there is some guidance at Commons:Copyright_rules_by_subject_matter#Product_packaging. I think the only thing Heinz might be able to claim copyright over in that image (which is not mine) is the depiction of the beans, the rest is text or simple geometric shapes which are non-copyrightable. Trademark is a different matter and no bar to being hosted on Commons or used on Wikipedia (see Commons:Template:Trademarked). As an alternative we could use these black bean tins which are solely text and therefore definitely free or a picture of the actual beans - Dumelow (talk) 12:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, forgot to ping you theleekycauldron - Dumelow (talk) 12:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, Dumelow—doesn't that mean that the photographer doesn't own the image either? since it's just geometric shapes? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she?) 15:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron, the question of whether a work exceeds the threshold of originality is quite complicated and varies depending on where the photograph (for example) is taken. I know in the UK the bar is set quite low such that almost any effort expended by the photographer (setting up the shot, positioning the subject, lighting etc.) qualifies as sweat of the brow and would create copyright. It doesn't relaly matter in this instance as the photographers have released the work under free licenses - Dumelow (talk) 18:06, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, Dumelow—doesn't that mean that the photographer doesn't own the image either? since it's just geometric shapes? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she?) 15:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, forgot to ping you theleekycauldron - Dumelow (talk) 12:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Not an expert in this area but there is some guidance at Commons:Copyright_rules_by_subject_matter#Product_packaging. I think the only thing Heinz might be able to claim copyright over in that image (which is not mine) is the depiction of the beans, the rest is text or simple geometric shapes which are non-copyrightable. Trademark is a different matter and no bar to being hosted on Commons or used on Wikipedia (see Commons:Template:Trademarked). As an alternative we could use these black bean tins which are solely text and therefore definitely free or a picture of the actual beans - Dumelow (talk) 12:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
ALT1 to T:DYK/P1