Talk:Mo Drake

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Review: November 6, 2022. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Mo Drake appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 16 December 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Mo Drake came up with the slogan "Beanz Meanz Heinz" for Heinz Baked Beans (tin pictured) in 1967?

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 04:21, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Heinz tin

... that Mo Drake's team was behind the advertising slogans "Beanz Meanz Heinz" and "Just One Cornetto"? "Mo Drake, who has died aged 93, was the advertising genius behind the slogan “Beanz Meanz Heinz” in 1967" from: "Mo Drake, advertising maestro who coined the immortal slogan 'Beanz Meanz Heinz' – obituary". The Telegraph. 29 October 2021. Retrieved 18 November 2021. "His team also created the Cornetto ice-cream campaign for Wall's in which a traffic policeman in Rome or a gondolier in Venice hankered after the British-made gelato while singing "Just One Cornetto" to the music of O Sole Mio." from:"Mo Drake obituary". The Times. 25 October 2021. Retrieved 18 November 2021.
- ALT1: ... that Mo Drake's slogan "Beanz Meanz Heinz" was used to advertise Heinz Baked Beans for almost 30 years? "The slogan was used by Heinz for around 30 years" from: "Mo Drake, advertising maestro who coined the immortal slogan 'Beanz Meanz Heinz' – obituary". The Telegraph. 29 October 2021. Retrieved 18 November 2021.

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Atlas Tract

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 10:01, 19 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Doing... Reviewing... New enough, long enough, 2 references but that's okay. QPQ provided, great hooks, image clear and free. Copyvio a little high...can you do something there? Will go through and get back later. Thanks @Dumelow:. I imagine others may have some hook suggestions too. Whispyhistory (talk) 11:36, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking at this Whispyhistory. I've reworded a few bits, I think most of the earwig score is coming from the quotes - Dumelow (talk) 11:49, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... Thank you @Dumelow: for responding so swiftly. Copyvio is okay now. Brings back many memories..well done for doing this. Both hooks are good but I prefer the shorter ALT1 with the image please to whoever promotes it. Whispyhistory (talk) 21:21, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you can beat Alt1 but the two source thing really needs fixing. Relying on just two sources for the whole article is far from ideal. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks... ALT1 is good and there are more sources out there...added one and will look more later. Whispyhistory (talk) 21:42, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Dumelow and Whispyhistory: the image licensing doesn't look quite right to me... is this public-domain-threshold-of-originality or fair use of a trademark? I have a hard time believing the photographer owns an image they took of a can of beans with someone else's logo on it. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she?) 09:56, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Heinz beans tins

Heinz beans

Not an expert in this area but there is some guidance at Commons:Copyright_rules_by_subject_matter#Product_packaging. I think the only thing Heinz might be able to claim copyright over in that image (which is not mine) is the depiction of the beans, the rest is text or simple geometric shapes which are non-copyrightable. Trademark is a different matter and no bar to being hosted on Commons or used on Wikipedia (see Commons:Template:Trademarked). As an alternative we could use these black bean tins which are solely text and therefore definitely free or a picture of the actual beans - Dumelow (talk) 12:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, forgot to ping you theleekycauldron - Dumelow (talk) 12:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Dumelow—doesn't that mean that the photographer doesn't own the image either? since it's just geometric shapes? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she?) 15:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

theleekycauldron, the question of whether a work exceeds the threshold of originality is quite complicated and varies depending on where the photograph (for example) is taken. I know in the UK the bar is set quite low such that almost any effort expended by the photographer (setting up the shot, positioning the subject, lighting etc.) qualifies as sweat of the brow and would create copyright. It doesn't relaly matter in this instance as the photographers have released the work under free licenses - Dumelow (talk) 18:06, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 to T:DYK/P1

GA Review

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Reviewer: An anonymous username, not my real name (talk · contribs) 20:01, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Dumelow. I will take a stab at reviewing this. An anonymous username, not my real name (talk) 20:01, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General comments: It's in good shape overall and I appreciate the detailed infobox, although it's rather unfortunate that the two main sources are paywalled (I'll AGF, of course, and everything looks accurate to the sources I'm able to view). The only issues I found were extremely minor. It may be worth pointing out that his nickname "Mo", used in the title, is never mentioned in the article itself. I tend to prefer using commas in even in situations where they are optional, so if my assessment is overly pedantic to you, feel free to ignore any part. Earwig doesn't see any copyvios.

Upon completion of his military service he joined public relations firm Armstrong Warden. I think a comma should be added to this line, although the lead looks perfect otherwise.
When Drake was three years old the family moved to Ilford. Again, a comma would help.
Despite disruption to his formal education Drake was a keen reader, particularly of Shakespeare. Again, comma.
Drake retired in the mid-1980s. Do none of the sources include the year?

That's all I noticed. It appears you have covered him as thoroughly as you possibly could have. I'll place it on hold and wait for your reply, and hopefully be able to pass it soon. An anonymous username, not my real name (talk) 20:36, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi An anonymous username, not my real name, thanks for the review. If you work a lot in this area it's worth looking at the WP:Library, you can get free access to the Times and Telegraph through there, great for British obituaries. I've added a mention of his common name in the first sentence. I've added the commas you suggest; annoyingly the obits don't give anything more than "mid-1980s" for his retirement, perhaps it was a gradual thing - Dumelow (talk) 06:31, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, of course, I can't believe I didn't think of the WP Library. Well anyway, since you've done all you can, I'll go ahead and pass the article. Cheers! An anonymous username, not my real name (talk) 06:45, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I had to make an edit. Sadly, someone had cited some American jazz, and blues artist, from the 1950s, who happened to have a Wikipedia page, called Johnnie Johnson. This is obviously not the man who wrote the jingle music, Johnny Johnston, who has no Wikipedia page. I edited in Mr. Johnston's obituary, and removed the link to the jazz, and blues artist. No disrespect to Mr. Johnson; I'm sure he was a great chap, but he had nothing to do with Beanz Meanz Heinz. 2600:6C46:6400:C0:B0CA:E139:F979:830B (talk) 01:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]