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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 13:15, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Morgenstern der finstern Nacht

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• ... that in the 1657 hymn "Morgenstern der finstern Nacht" by Angelus Silesius, the dark night turns bright when the morning star's radiance has smiled at it? Source: several, + the text itself

• Reviewed: Lou Lefaive
• Comment: literally even "laughed"

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 16:44, 2 February 2020 (UTC).

• Drive by comment In English, "German Christian" refers to something which you surely don't intend. Perhaps "German-language Christian poem"? buidhe 06:43, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out. I don't like the phrase German-language, sorry. Could we say "in German"? We would not have the same question in Spanish. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:55, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

• This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:34, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

• @Gerda Arendt: Hi, I came by to promote this, but I have a question about the translation. Isn't lacht "laughed"? The source also talks about the star "shining" at the night. Yoninah (talk) 21:04, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

• The translation of "lachen" is "laugh", but it's "anlachen", - the way even a baby can communicate in a friendly way before speaking, - help welcome. The translation of "sprechen" is "speak", but the translation of "ansprechen" is "address" or "contact". My translation program is of little help. Anybody? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@Yoninah: @Gerda Arendt:, are there any objections if I propose other hooks that might be easier to verify? Flibirigit (talk) 06:25, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

No. When I wrote the article, things looked bright, topic of 2020 "vision". Now, I'm working on the article of a man who took his life. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Here are some other suggestions below: Flibirigit (talk) 01:28, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that in the 1657 hymn "Morgenstern der finstern Nacht" by Angelus Silesius, the morning star makes the world joyful? Source: first stanza
• ALT2 ... that in the 1657 hymn "Morgenstern der finstern Nacht" by Angelus Silesius, the morning star is symbolic of Jesus? Source: first stanza
• ALT3 ... that in the 1657 hymn "Morgenstern der finstern Nacht" by Angelus Silesius, the splendor of Jesus is like a thousand suns? Source: third stanza

Thank you for trying. I still think the "laughing-at" image is more unusual but give it a chance: ALT1 and ALT2 would make a good combination, but one alone is unclear, - how would a star make joyful? ... how would the morning star as a symbol for Jesus be specific of this hymn? - I'd hesitate to use a phrase such "world joyful" these days. ALT3 is fine but I guess it should be "likened" or "compared" instead of "like" which makes it sound like a factual statement. Also "splendour" in a European article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I am sorry to hear that ALT1 and ALT2 are not liked. As for ALT0, I would not translate "weil dein Glanz sie angelacht" into smiled. The closest translation I would get is giggled instead of laughed or smile. Sorry, I feel the concerns about ALT0 are valid. I am fine with rewording ALT3 with likened or compared to. Here are some suggestions if Yoninah approves: Flibirigit (talk) 04:07, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

• ALT3a ... that in the 1657 hymn "Morgenstern der finstern Nacht" by Angelus Silesius, the splendour of Jesus is likened to a thousand suns? Source: third stanza
• ALT3b ... that in the 1657 hymn "Morgenstern der finstern Nacht" by Angelus Silesius, the splendour of Jesus is compared to a thousand suns? Source: third stanza

Thank you, fine. - I don't remember if you were here when we had a hook ... that "Jesus Christ Is Risen Today?", causing a heated Easter, and an admin almost desysopped for having passed that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:33, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Can you please somehow put it in the article, sourced, - just saying 3rd stanza of something in German will probably not do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:36, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I prefer ALT3a. I added an English translation to the article.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 03:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

My suggestion would have been to add an English translation. Thank you to User:Epiphyllumlover for doing so. Gerda, do you have any other concerns before we get a third party to review? Flibirigit (talk) 04:34, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for asking, no, fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:13, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Review requested for ALT3a and ALT3b. @Cwmhiraeth:, @Yoninah:, @Buidhe:, would any of you be willing to check a hook? Anyone else is welcome to review. Flibirigit (talk) 09:57, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

• • Approving ALT3a, which I think is preferable to ALT3b. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:09, 3 April 2020 (UTC)