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The result was: promoted by Bilorv (talk) 00:53, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Piano Quartet (Schumann)

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~~... that the Piano Quartet, composed by Robert Schumann in 1842, features one of the most beautiful cello themes of the Romantic period in its third movement?~~ 1 2

Reviewed: Salmon chaos

5x expanded by Intforce (talk). Self-nominated at 13:45, 21 March 2021 (UTC).

Substantial detailed article, on fine sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. Sorry, the hook doesn't work without saying it was one person's evaluation. I wonder if his wife's reaction - who was probably the pianist at the house performance if not also later - would interest our readers more, and is sourced. I have a few suggestions for the article which are of course not needed for DYK, but I think this could easily go towards GA and even FA (compare Piano Concerto No. 24 (Mozart)).

I'd like to see what the lead says about the implication for the future expanded more in the body.
I'd like to see more of the body summarized in the lead.
I think an image of Clara S. would be a good addition.
I think - unless we can specify the performers of the premiere - the info in the infobox could go to a one-liner "performed".

Also waiting for qpq of course. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:03, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Still one more: if we go by the hook here, movement needs a link, probably even theme also. Most of our readers will not even know what a piano quartet is, and think that four pianos play ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:06, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda, for your detailed comments.

ALT0b: ... that the Piano Quartet, composed by Robert Schumann in 1842 for piano, violin, viola and cello, is said to feature one of the most beautiful cello themes of the Romantic period in its third movement? 1 2
ALT1: ... that the Piano Quartet, composed by Robert Schumann in 1842 for piano, violin, viola and cello, has been described by his wife Clara as "a beautiful work, so youthful and fresh, as if it were his first"? Keller, p. 423

How could the movement be linked? As far as I understand, external links are not allowed. I could engrave the theme so it fits a picture though. GPQ now done. intforce (talk) 13:22, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

I linked "movement" for you, - not the specific one but to distinguish from a political movement. That part of the hook could also go, without much loss. Thank you for expanding and GAN! No need for music engraving, - too many to whom it means nothing. I prefer the ALT, with Clara (GA for GA) ;) - Next time, please link to the review (I did that now), and don't write below the last line (fixed) ;) - In that review, I'd not accept "people in Taiwan" because too general, and the image caption's "restaurant in question" as not encycloypedic, - + the hooks don't even say "restaurant". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt Intforce ALT1 is too long at 203 characters. SL93 (talk) 02:20, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

ALT1b: ... that Clara Schumann described her husband's Piano Quartet as "a beautiful work, so youthful and fresh, as if it were his first"?

You could also just drop the instruments. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:06, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

I would prefer ALT1c ... that the Piano Quartet, composed by Robert Schumann in 1842 for piano and strings, has been described by his wife Clara as "a beautiful work, so youthful and fresh, as if it were his first"? intforce (talk) 13:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt What do you think of ALT1c? SL93 (talk) 17:23, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

fine by me --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:47, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Approving ALT1c. SL93 (talk) 20:52, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

The article doesn't mention "a beautiful work, so youthful and fresh, as if it were his first". All the hook facts need to be in the article. 97198 (talk) 00:39, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

I apologize for missing that. I would just go with ALT0c ... that the Piano Quartet, composed by Robert Schumann in 1842 is said to feature one of the most beautiful cello themes of the Romantic period in its third movement? SL93 (talk) 01:05, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt Intforce SL93 (talk) 01:07, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Listen to Intforce. I prefer the specific voice of a woman, close to the composer, in the style of the time, to that of a no-name probably man, unspecific and a bit "purple language" superlative. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

I've amended the article to mention the quote in the hook. Both are equally valid translations. intforce (talk) 11:50, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt Why do you think that I wasn't listening to Intforce? It's just that the quote wasn't in the article as stated by 97198. SL93 (talk) 14:43, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Now that it is in the article, I am approving ALT1C again. SL93 (talk) 14:43, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

I am sorry that I wasn't clear. "Listen to Intforce." was short for "Listen to what Intforce will have to say about this, not to me, but if you want my opinion nonetheless here you go:" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 16 April 2021 (UTC)