Template:Did you know nominations/Seething Lane

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:58, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Seething Lane

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... that Seething Lane is named after a load of chaff? Source: "Seething probably comes from Old English words meaning full of chaff" London Encyclopedia 3rd edition, 2008. ISBN 978-1-405-04924-5 p. 828

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Created by Ritchie333 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:39, 21 September 2020 (UTC).

Solid article, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. I didn't know what chaff is until I found the link in the article, so why not link in the hook also? I am not happy with the hook, sorry. Nothing tells me that it's about a street, - I thought of a brother of Penny Lane. Therefore I'd prefer something alluding to the fact. A 1370 purchase of property would add some history. I'll approve if you absolutely want it, though. - Suggestions: The article looks - at a glance - like about a person or a piece of art, hint hint. I'd not begin a para mentioning Wren when the one before also had him. How about formatting the refs (no bare urls, unified format instead of numbers here, bullet there)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

No reason "chaff" can't be linked here. I like the hook because it's funny (and the hook for A719 road just said "... that a Trump resort is directly connected to Moscow"); I suppose EEng could do something with "Karin Jonzen's big bust in the garden" as that at least ties in with the picture in the article. As for formatting the refs, I confess to being lazy, cut and pasting, and hoping somebody else would do it. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:58, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

then, not bothering Eeng. I may eventually follow my suggestions myself, but have received admonishments for churning out articles and ill-conceived hooks, and rightly so, and not yet repaired. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:44, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Didn't we have a hook within the last few years about some guy (in Canada, I think -- wherever that is) doing a sculpture of the Queen and passersby "staring through the window at the Queen's bust"? Anyway, the gag of substituting the sculptress's name somehow doesn't work for me, so I think we should give that one a pass. However, all may not be lost. Acting on the supposition that the always-horny Pepys probably had his pants down in some dark corner of the subject thoroughfare at one time or another, I searched the diary and sure enough, for 25 March 1668 we find [1]:
... in Seething Lane met young Mrs. Daniel, and I stopped, and she had been at my house, but found nobody within, and tells me that she drew me for her Valentine this year; so I took her into the coach, and was going to the other end of the town with her, thinking to have taken her abroad; but remembering that I was to go out with my wife this afternoon, I only did hazer her para tocar my prick con her hand, which did hazer me hazer ...

Now, my grasp (so to speak) of Restoration pornography is limited (my specialty being 19th-century pornography) so I don't know what most of that stuff at the end means but it's clearly naughty. Of course, we'll need a secondary source, and that could be a problem, but it's worth at least some effort because whatever Pepys was doing with his tocar or whatever there's probably a good hook in there somewhere. E Eng 05:59, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

The Queen's Bust hook was probably something to do with Philafrenzy and Whispyhistory. It sounds like the sort of shennanigans the pair of them would get up to. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:20, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Ritchie333 and EEng... I'll try and help. The hook you are referring to is from this painting with a bust in the background. I think the hook above is okay and there appear to be several secondary sources eg [2]. Gerda Arendt, I'll add something to the article if you don't mind checking. Also, lane means narrow street. I learnt something new...didn't know what chaff was either. Whispyhistory (talk) 12:59, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Ah yes, Queen Elizabeth II depicted with someone else's bust – a workmanlike bagatelle of double entendre if I do say so myself. E Eng 17:53, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

The lady that Pepys met in Seething Lane got eight pairs of gloves as a reward, which is only appropriate if you read the translation. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:04, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Good sleuthing! So we've got the secondary source, but (seriously now) I'm having trouble seeing how we can use the incident in this particular article without it coming across as if we just thrust it in there (so to speak). I mean, if Seething Lane were famous as the scene of many of Pepys's assignations, that would be worth including, but that one in particular happened to take place here doesn't seem worth mentioning; if we did mention it, the article on just about every street in Restoration London would need to carry a note that Pepys got his rocks off there. E Eng 17:53, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Alt1 ...that diarist Samuel Pepys is buried in St Olave's Church in London's Seething Lane, that was also the location of one of the many amorous encounters recorded in his diaries?
Alt2 ...that after an amorous encounter with a young wife in London's Seething Lane, diarist Samuel Pepys bought the lady eight pairs of gloves? Philafrenzy (talk) 09:25, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Those are approved as well. In the article, I suggest to put the encounter under "History", and only the monument under "Monuments", - if that even deserves an extra para. How about the pic here? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)