Template:Did you know nominations/Sophie von Maltzan
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 17:16, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
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Sophie von Maltzan
- ... that German and Irish artist and landscape architect Sophie von Maltzan led the building of a tunnel in Dublin, and its dismantling after two years? Source: The Irish Times, 20 Feb. 2014, "End of the line for the Smithfield Art Tunnel after two years", https://www.totallydublin.ie/arts-culture/art-tunnel-smithfield/, and multiple others.
- ALT0a ... that Sophie von Maltzan led the building of a tunnel in Dublin, and its dismantling after two years? Source: The Irish Times, 20 Feb. 2014, "End of the line for the Smithfield Art Tunnel after two years", https://www.totallydublin.ie/arts-culture/art-tunnel-smithfield/, and multiple others.
- ALT1: ... that Sophie von Maltzan, German-born artist and gardener, and Irish landscape architect, led the making of a submarine which was some weeks later walked through the streets of Dublin? Source: Westmeath Independent (https://www.westmeathindependent.ie/2023/09/25/local-artist-facilitates-willow-sculptures-at-imma-festival/), National College of Art & Design (https://ncadinpublic.ie/public-programmes/weaving-a-communal-narrative) and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE5X-0D9fZI.
- ALT1a: ... that artist, gardener and landscape architect Sophie von Maltzan led the making of a submarine which was some weeks later walked through the streets of Dublin? Source: Westmeath Independent (https://www.westmeathindependent.ie/2023/09/25/local-artist-facilitates-willow-sculptures-at-imma-festival/), National College of Art & Design (https://ncadinpublic.ie/public-programmes/weaving-a-communal-narrative) and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE5X-0D9fZI.
- ALT1b: ... that Sophie von Maltzan led the making of a submarine which was walked through the streets of Dublin? Source: Westmeath Independent (https://www.westmeathindependent.ie/2023/09/25/local-artist-facilitates-willow-sculptures-at-imma-festival/), National College of Art & Design (https://ncadinpublic.ie/public-programmes/weaving-a-communal-narrative) and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE5X-0D9fZI.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Genoa Conservatory
- Comment: I think there is a nice secondary meaning potential in the hooks; I would hope to secure pictures of some of the subject's projects, and am seeking images of the subject. DYK QPQ done.
Created by SeoR (talk). Self-nominated at 01:03, 27 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sophie von Maltzan; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
New article and plenty long enough. No issues with sourcing, neutrality, copyvio, etc. No images. QPQ is done. My one issue is with the hooks - they're wordy and not terribly exciting (and the dismantling part of ALT0 is not discussed in the article.) Perhaps something like that Sophie von Maltzan led the making of a submarine which was walked through the streets of Dublin?
That cuts it down to the actually intriguing part. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 07:08, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- Many thanks, and also for the hint on where to source an image in Flickr, and I will check that source and Commons one more time, as an article on such a person would be better with imagery - there is material on one pocket park, and there should be something out there on the Art Tunnel, which was pretty prominent for a while (but early in the digital mass era). I have also asked a new editor who may have some knowledge of or connection to the subject if they could help with photos. On the dismantling, I will address this, as the sources do cover it, but anyway, I am happy to offer an alt on the lines suggested, as indeed, the key is the intriguing idea of someone making tunnels and submarines in the heart of a modern city. I now have some images and will add them during Saturday; there is also a photo of the submarine sculpture on Commons but I don't think it's good enough for DYK, and I'm not even sure if it suits the article. SeoR (talk) 02:50, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Pi.1415926535, and sorry, a busy few days, but I have made some updates to the article, pulled in some pictures, including from your tip, brought the Tunnel's dismantling into body text, and offer alt hooks (as Alt0a and Alt1b) along the suggested short-and-focused lines. I hope this helps. Thanks, SeoR (talk) 16:29, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Good to go with ALT1b. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:11, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Pi.1415926535, and sorry, a busy few days, but I have made some updates to the article, pulled in some pictures, including from your tip, brought the Tunnel's dismantling into body text, and offer alt hooks (as Alt0a and Alt1b) along the suggested short-and-focused lines. I hope this helps. Thanks, SeoR (talk) 16:29, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- Many thanks, and also for the hint on where to source an image in Flickr, and I will check that source and Commons one more time, as an article on such a person would be better with imagery - there is material on one pocket park, and there should be something out there on the Art Tunnel, which was pretty prominent for a while (but early in the digital mass era). I have also asked a new editor who may have some knowledge of or connection to the subject if they could help with photos. On the dismantling, I will address this, as the sources do cover it, but anyway, I am happy to offer an alt on the lines suggested, as indeed, the key is the intriguing idea of someone making tunnels and submarines in the heart of a modern city. I now have some images and will add them during Saturday; there is also a photo of the submarine sculpture on Commons but I don't think it's good enough for DYK, and I'm not even sure if it suits the article. SeoR (talk) 02:50, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
@SeoR and Pi.1415926535: unfortunately, I do gotta be a hardass about this one – taking the hook from a YouTube video with a couple of views and not having an independent RS to back it up seems like it'd fall afoul of WP:ABOUTSELF. Is there another source that could be found? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:34, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hi, theleekycauldron, I believe so, yes. The video was not the original main source for that point. I will address this today. Thanks, SeoR (talk) 08:05, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- And hi again, theleekycauldron and apologies, Pi.1415926535, the best of the three cites used on this nomination 1for Alts1, 1a, 1b is now attached to the direct base hook sentence, the video is stepped back, and I will check for any further sources to help. SeoR (talk) 14:34, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- @SeoR: this source also appears to be non-independent, although it is institutional, so I'm more willing to let it slide. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:36, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
- @SeoR:
- And hi again, theleekycauldron and apologies, Pi.1415926535, the best of the three cites used on this nomination 1for Alts1, 1a, 1b is now attached to the direct base hook sentence, the video is stepped back, and I will check for any further sources to help. SeoR (talk) 14:34, 30 November 2023 (UTC)