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Kazakhstan?

Since when is this country in Europe??? 89.137.36.86 18:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC) (ES Vic)

It has a small amount of territory in Europe. See the archives of template talk:Europe. Warofdreams talk 20:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

it has some patches of steppe west of the Ural river. This can be discussed on Transcontinental country, but certainly isn't a reason to list Kazakhstan in this template. Give us a break. dab (𒁳) 10:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

If part of it is in Europe, it should be listed here, with an apropriate disclaimer. Just because it doesn't fit with one's subjective map of the world isn't a reason to exclude it from an objective list. --ScottMainwaring 16:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I think Kazakhstan is always grouped with other European countries in sports, as is Israel which isn't listed here. Wikipeditor 01:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Since the same time as Turkey is. This template basically tries to shove as many countries as possible into Europe, because it is considered prestigious. You see, being in close vicinity of the European continent and not being included into it is synonymous with being accused of barbarism. I'd say the only two countries with a number next to it in this list would be Russia and Cyprus, i.e. nations that expanded from Europe into Asia (Cyprus being a Greek colony). --Humanophage (talk) 05:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Cyprus in SW Asia?

Last time I checked, it was in the Mediterranean. EamonnPKeane 22:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

European Union

Could we provide a switch so the supranational entity the european union can be switched off? I can envision and article about the Architecture of Europe - ie the templates title, but this would only duplicate information within Architecture of the European Union. --Mcginnly | Natter 17:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

This doesn't seem to fit with the idea of the template at all, so I've removed it. Warofdreams talk 18:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

There are quite a few EU articles on this topics now, I'd suggest including it either in the lower part of the text or in the title "etc of Europe (EU)". It doesn't have articles on some yes, but so do a lot of the articles there and its not always a duplication, there are important differences between the two. -JLogan 20:53, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that these templates should stick to nations. There are plenty of international unions, and there might be case for creating a template for them, but there seems little to be gained by adding the EU, EFTA, etc to make this template larger and less focussed. Warofdreams talk 23:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

The EU is slightly different from EFTA or any other organisation. I suggest the EU for that reason. For example EFTA or the AU do not have a directly elected democratic parliament making the majority of the laws of it's members (80% for Germany) with common foreign polices, supranational powers and laws and so on - all of which I wont repeat again here. The EU can easily be distinguished as separate from other IOs and can easily be argued to have powers akin to a state, if not one. There are plenty of EU pages on these areas, different from just Europe, and should be linked to through this. -JLogan 08:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

"the"

A couple of people have been removing "the" from links. Please don't do this, as it breaks most of them. While you may be looking at a specific use of this template where it is not needed, in most cases it is. Warofdreams talk 17:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Kaliningrad?

Currently useless for navigation except for {{Europe topic|Administrative divisions of}} and {{Europe topic|List of settlements in}}, as we only have Administrative divisions of Kaliningrad Oblast and List of settlements in Kaliningrad Oblast. Wikipeditor 01:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Greece

Should Greece be marked as having a portion (4.6%) of its territory in Asia (as per Transcontinental country#Countries in both Asia and Europe)? --Kimon 14:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I wonder who had the idea to have Greece as part of Asia? I took the initiative to remove the relative indication? As for why i refer you to the history of the name of Europe Ipodamos

It is, in fact, not such a bad idea. Such a minor portion of territory is insignificant for Greece, but would increase the perception of Turkey as an Asian country (that it is), showing that everything to the East of Greece is Asian. --Humanophage (talk) 05:43, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Ireland

Both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland directed to .....Ireland - I've kept the republic as just Ireland and fixed the link to Northern ireland. [1] --Joopercoopers 17:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Greenland

Shouldn't Greenland be listed here as well? It may not be a part of Europe geographically (and maybe culturally), but since it's a Danish province, I think it should be included as well. -- Schneelocke 14:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I think it should with a new note of (5) for countries geographically in North America but are culturally part of Europe. --Kimon^talk 15:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

It and similar territories are described here as "Outlying territories". Regards, David Kernow (talk) 16:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

RS

No need for the RS (Republika Srpska) since it is neither autonomous nor a dependency. Vseferović 16:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Why bring politics here? Template just for navigation.--Methodius 22:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Like I comented: Kosovo is there, you obviously did not saw it, RS is "other territory" if not "autonomy" (parliament, president, police etcetc!). Add Vojvodina, why not? Vojvodina is autonomous province you know. I add it myself in fact, it's good idea, better navigation. Why did no-one think of it before? So what is your point now?--Methodius 22:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

It's obvious Vseferović doesn't like Republika Srpska.

South Ossetia

Should South Ossetia also be added to this template as there are already other unrecognized states in here? Jhattara 07:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Template Source

How can I view the source for the template Tourism in Europe. Everytime I click edit it goes to another European template. All I need to do is copy and past the contents into the Template:Tourism, but to the version in my sand box first. I am changing the sections to include other regions like Europe and Asia and then remove other sections like the one for hospitality and the see also list. Mindys12345स्वागतम्! ॐ शान्ति ! शान्ति !! शान्ति !!!

I don't believe that you will be able to view the "source" of a specific usage of this template (unless you mean the HTML, for which there should be an option in the menu of your browser). {{Tourism}} looks rather large; I'm doubtful that it would be wise to include links to articles on tourism in every nation of the world. It would probably be better to exclude the national links and instead include both the shorter Tourism template, and the appropriate continental topic template. Warofdreams talk 23:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I actually typed the entire contents for tourism in Europe manually and then added the to contents template Tourism. If I do continue to add more to it then I would probably look at ruducing some of the other sections or remove them completely to make way for other regions. I was actually planning on making this template the one stop tourism template but without the redlinks that the other templates have. I would probably add two to three more sections for other regions, possiby Asia and the Middle East. Also have a look at this template, its quite large Template:Pakistan topics.

Thanks Mindys12345स्वागतम्! এই সভ্যজন অসমৰॐ शान्ति ! शान्ति !! शान्ति !!!

Scotland

I have just discovered the Fauna version of this template and put it in Fauna of Scotland. Sadly, Scotland does not show up, although there is provision for this in the template. Could someone knowledgeable switch it on? Thanks. Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Scotland is not a UN state.--Indexxs 19:29, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I know that. However, here is the relevant code:

{nowrap|[[{{{1|}}} the United Kingdom|United Kingdom]]}}{{#if:{{{show UK countries|}}} |<!--then:--> <small>([[{{{1|}}} England|England]]{{·}} [[{{{1|}}} Scotland|Scotland]]{{·}} [[{{{1|}}} Northern Ireland|Northern Ireland]]{{·}} [[{{{1|}}} Wales|Wales]])</small>}}<!--Vatican City made optional for sake of topics such as "Islam in", "Buddhism in", etc:-->{{#ifexist:{{{1|}}} the Vatican City |<!--then:-->{{·}} {{nowrap|[[{{{1|}}} the Vatican City|Vatican City]]}} |<!--else:--><!--(omit Vatican City)-->}

I do not know exactly what it means, but it suggests to me that somehow the template can be used for the constituent countries of the UK. The question is - if so, how? (And if not, why?) I didn't want to go messing about trying to find out for myself by trial and error. Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Now apparently fixed - thanks to Jhattara. Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

It's not a state, but it's clearly a territory. I've added Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland; many of those are showing up as blue links and are helpful for navigation. The Evil Spartan 00:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

You can make England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland visible in this template by adding |show UK countries=true into the template code on the page you are editing. --Jhattara ^{(Talk · Contrib)} 07:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Russia part of African Plate?

Hi, not very familiar with editing on wikipedia, so hopefully someone will make the necessary changes. Why is there a 3 next to Russia (meaning its part of the African tectonic plate)? I would've put a 2 there (meaning its half in asia, half in europe). However, when I tried editing, I could not see the three, but only a dot (I could see "1"'s in other locations fine, but could not see the 3 in question. Can someone make these changes?

• The font is small and you're misreading it (either that, or someone was screwing around and it's since been fixed). Next to Russia is a 2, meaning it's partially in Asia. The 3 is next to Madeira. DS 14:41, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Transnistria

Transnistria is a breakaway region of Moldova. It should be deleted from this list.--201.225.40.228 05:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Transnistria might be a breakaway and an integral part of Moldova, but it is de facto independent and as such should be represented in this template. Other examples of de facto independent states listed in this template, who have no de jure control of their territory include for example Abkhazia, Kosovo and Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Jhattara 11:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree. According to the NPOV rule, it is not up to us here in wikipedia to decide the normative status of Transnistria. Here we can not chose sides. The Ogre 11:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Surely the problem is that the template can't avoid choosing sides? It's either 'de facto', or 'de jure' and either way someone is going to be unhappy. I am broadly in favour of keeping Transnistria but I regard this is a subjective judgement based on its relative size and relative autonomy. For similar reasons I would oppose adding Rockall to it. Ben MacDui (Talk) 08:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Hide as default

could you please make it so that it is hidden / collapsed by default as most of these templates are tnx Arnoutf 17:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Catalonia

Why isn't Catalonia in the autonomies list? --83.60.13.232 17:36, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

If Catalonia would be included so should all of the sixteen other autonomous communities. Or are there significant differencies in the degree of autonomy between the autonomous communities of Spain? --Jhattara ^{(Talk · Contrib)} 20:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Ireland always links to Oireachtas (=parliament of RoI)

We want to change that. sephia karta 19:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I've fixed it now, but next time you see something similar, just check the page history. An anon user's edit broke it, and any user can revert to the previous version. Warofdreams talk 21:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

"License Plates of Europe"

If this Wikipedia is to follow the local system of writing, it must be changed to 'Licence' in accordance with British English and European English or Vehicle Registration Plates of Europe or even Number Plates of Europe. I think the last one would be best.

The usage is nothing to do with this template, just the way it is implemented in a series of articles. Perhaps you could raise the issue at Talk:European vehicle registration plates. Warofdreams talk 00:49, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Gagauzia

As per http://www.parliament.md/download/laws/ro/344-XV-25.07.2003.doc Gagauzia has not the place to be on the list. Sambure ^talk 14:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Could you give us an English source or at least translate the relevant parts into English? I have been looking for one for a few hours and couldn't find anything that would say that the law on Gagauzia's possibility for self-determination was refuted. --Jhattara ^{(Talk · Contrib)} 16:55, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

This template is pointless

Templates are supposed to be convenient tools to reference articles. Instead this is a bloody soapbox heaven that invites pointless arguments or wordy caveats over whether X is in Europe, or if entity Y is either a real country or just a duck farm owned by a crazy successionist. Do we really need a template to list together all Europe-specific articles about fauna? Kransky (talk) 09:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe not in fauna articles, but there are lots of social/political/geographical articles that need to list even the disputed entities. What would be your suggestion for changing this template? --Jhattara ^{(Talk · Contrib)} 09:34, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

My answer is not to have a template. It clutters the page, whereas a link to a categorisation page (where articles are sorted by country) just takes up one line. We will be endlessly arguing over what should go in and how it should be presented. Distracting and ugly too. Kransky (talk) 11:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Templates vs Categories is always going to be a dispute. I'd guess that more people use templates than get overly annoyed by them. Especially when you can make them minimized by default. And if there is no need for the non-country entities in some articles you can always use the countries_only parameter to suppress them. --Jhattara ^{(Talk · Contrib)} 14:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

United Kingdom

I've added a parameter "UK_only" which suppresses the listing of the constituent countries of the UK. Rich Farmbrough, 16:20 6 December 2007 (GMT).