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Unable to disambiguate[edit]

As it stands, there's no way to specify a specific person for a coach link if there's multiple people with the same name. For some people (Mike Krzyzewski), this clearly isn't a problem. For others (Roy Williams), the only way to get the right one is to put Roy Williams (coach) as the entry, which just looks lame. Any ideas as to how to fix this?

I think a similar thing needs to be done for conferences, where long names can be somewhat cumbersome, and in the case of the independents, the only way to get the appropriate page is to put in NCAA Division I independent schools (basketball), the actual name of the page. --fuzzy510 18:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I find this layout to be a bit constraining as well. Wouldn't it work if we simply removed the [[]]tags around the Coach and Conference tags? They'd no longer be auto-linked but the user could resolve that on a page per page basis. Thoughts? Pepto gecko 18:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm being bold here - I've added a way to make a short name for the conference displayed, and I'm going to remove the brackets around the coach name. If someone really hates that, I certainly won't be offended if it's changed back. --fuzzy510 18:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
No complaints here. If anything your actions are are a trite circumspect ;-) Live long and prosper! Pepto gecko 18:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Colors[edit]

It is very hard to read text in the second half of the infobox when the team color is the background, and I suggest only using the colors in the two small squares the line below Colors: x and y.

I'm an amateur at wiki-formatting, but what I mean is that the only thing that should be colored is the two boxes under Colors: Navy Blue and White, and the rest of the table cells, NCAA Tournament Champions: 1991, 1992, 2001 and so on should be colored normally.

Hangfromthefloor 21:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Check out the "fontcolor" variable. That will allow you to specify the color of the font. Moverton just added that ability a few days ago. See Kansas Jayhawks basketball. X96lee15 23:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes... that looks much nicer. Hangfromthefloor 16:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Stylized uniforms[edit]

I somewhat boldly added (optional) parameters for stylized uniforms. These uniforms are used by a number of national basketball team pages and I think are superior to the "colors" option discussed above. I have added these optional parameters above and you can see how they look on the Duke example. Please see {{Basketball kit}} for instructions on how to use colors and patterns. Rolando 19:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I like the idea, but with a lot of teams using alternate jerseys to complement just the home and away (Duke's black jerseys and George Mason's golds come to mind), and the fact that this entire project is right now in its infancy, I'm not sure that it's the greatest thing to implement quite yet. --fuzzy510 20:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Obviously, adding a third, optional uniform is very easy (though a bit wide--we might have to tweak the {{Basketball kit}} template a bit). The way that the people who do {{football kit}} (i.e., soccer uniform) handle this--and they're the experts--is that alternate uniforms, which tend to change from season to season, go by themselves in a box somewhere in the article (see Celtic F.C. 2006-07, e.g.).
All that being said, I feel like this style of presenting team colors is, like anything else, better done early in the project than later. Further, we can also take this opportunity to improve the uniform template to allow some detail in shorts, different colored numbers, etc. Rolando 22:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
  • The uniforms do not seem to be optional. There is no way to turn them off as far as I can tell. The reason this is problematic is the limited availability of kits for uniforms...particularly color choices for panels. For instance, I cannot create an accurate Pitt away uniform because there are no available gold side panels. It would be great to be able to customize side panel colors with hex values, but until someone can do that, can we make the jersey display optional? Or am I missing something. Thanks cp101p (talk) 05:07, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
True, it's not optional and hasn't been for a while. Generally, you've got to add them yourself, or request them at Template talk:Football kit (or possibly Template talk:Basketball kit. In any case, I created this one for you Image:Kit body oldgoldsides.png. Look good? Rolando (talk) 02:47, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Rolando, thank you very much. Actually, the color oldgold that you did wasn't even close, but that allowed me to see how you construct the kits and I was able to make a set Image:Kit body vegasgoldsides.png that matched much better. Thank you for your help!cp101p (talk) 19:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Nice. The Pitt uniforms look good! And thanks for adding the item to pattern list. Who knows how many useful patterns are out there that are not on that list? Rolando (talk) 14:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Problems with Template[edit]

It seems that this infobox does not allow the Table of Contents to collapse. I do not know if this has been discussed before but I think it's a problem that definitely needs to be fixed. I thought it was just my page at first but with a little help I've discovered that it's also a problem on other CBB team pages. DanThaMan17 17:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

What happened to the NIT?[edit]

What happened to the NIT parameters? Until the mid 1950s or so, the NIT was THE tournament that determined the national champ. That's a big deal. If a team won a national championship in the 50s, they should be able to put that act in the infobox. Wrad (talk) 16:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

While I disagree that the NIT was THE tournament, it was certainly well respected and on a more equivalent footing. Helms, for instance, only picked the NIT champ over the NCAA champ once in 1939. There was also a series during WWII where the NIT champ played the NCAA champ. All 3 years the NCAA champ won, and these were all played in NYC and St. Johns was in two of them. So, the prowess of the NIT is a little bit overblown sometimes. However, I do think there could be field(s) for NIT achievements but it in no way should be considered a national champion in any season with the possible exception of Helm's LIU selection of 1939.CrazyPaco (talk) 09:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Student sections[edit]

What is the consensus on adding a parameter for student sections? Several student sections (Cameron Crazies and most of them from the Big Ten) have articles. I'm sure there are others. BroadSt Bully (talk) 23:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I have no problem. Schools without such sections can just ignore it. Wrad (talk) 23:37, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Done and done. I created it, and CrazyPaco helped make it an optional setting for those schools without a student section organization.BroadSt_Bully [talk] 19:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Women's template?[edit]

I think a separate women's basketball template might be useful, or at least the option should be added to this template to include AIAW Women's Basketball Tournament results (which would apply only to women). Unlike the NIT debate above, it is a fact that the AIAW was THE national championship tournament for women until the NCAA started in 1982. I don't have a clue how to add this, or I would do it myself. -Kgwo1972 (talk) 19:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead and created a new template for women's teams, here: Template:Infobox WCBB Team. -Kgwo1972 (talk) 21:03, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Why no divisional championships?[edit]

In the SEC, there is an East champion and a West champion. This plays a big part come SEC Tournament time and is a big deal in the SEC to claim East/West champion each year. So why not be able to list the years for Division Champions? It could be right above (or wherever) Conference Regular Season Champions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nateb2003 (talkcontribs) 19:44, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

As of the 2010-11 season, four conferences are split into divisions for basketball: the Mid-American Conference, Southeast Conference, Southern Conference, and Sun Belt Conference. I see no reason why the infobox should exclude these division championships and with continuing conference expansion, division titles may play a larger role than in previous seasons. NorthTechsan (talk) 22:56, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Standardization of tournament achievements[edit]

I've started a discussion at the College Basketball Wikiproject regarding the standardization of how to list the tournament achievements in the infobox. If you have thoughts and/or comments, please share them at at the discussion there. CrazyPaco (talk) 02:38, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Adding a fourth color[edit]

Can we add the option for a fourth school color? Maryland has four official school colors, and the infobox will only show three. Here are a couple of references for the colors:

acomas (talk) 16:41, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Cosign. In addition, would it be possible to add provisions for a 4th/second alternate jersey? The Terps use 4 different jerseys with regularity (a black one in addition to the three there currently), the 3rd and 4th are not gimmicks/one-offs. 216.164.53.2 (talk) 00:24, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
I figured out how to enable four colors. I also fixed the grammar of the text if a school has 3 or 4 colors. I checked on a few dozen MBB pages using the template to make sure it's working, please post if you spot an issue. I'll look at my jersey question next, but it will be difficult to add a fourth on the same row. Perhaps 2 rows of 2 can be achieved. 216.164.53.2 (talk) 01:30, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
I agree, a fourth jersey should be added. For example, Kansas State has four jersey colors: white, grey, black and purple. As it stands now, white does not show up in the infobox. Topgun530 (talk) 14:08, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Template spacing issues[edit]

See it's use at Oregon State Beavers men's basketball and notice the extra space between University and Conference. Appears extra tr's are being inserted. --ben_b (talk) 02:57, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Founded date[edit]

Would like to see founded date added like {{Infobox college baseball team}}. --ben_b (talk) 05:15, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Changing Divisions (DI, DII, DIII)[edit]

This won't come up much, but the NYU Violets men's basketball infobox shows one way to deal with a situation where a school has appeared in the NCAA tournament in 2 different divisions. It's sort of a work-around solution. Just thought I'd share this here. -Kgwo1972 (talk) 18:29, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Other national championships[edit]

Some teams claim pre-NCAA tournament national championships from sources other than Helms, such as the AAU national tournament (Utah, NYU, Butler, Washburn) and others. I propose adding the field, "NCAAchampion3" to this template to allow articles to distinguish between the Helms national champion ("NCAAchampion2") and other national championships. In the alternative, I propose removing "Helms" and simply having the category be for pre-NCAA tournament national championships in general. City boy77 (talk) 18:48, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

  • I agree with the need to include more than Helms retroactive titles. There is nothing that sets Helms apart from numerous other selectors in authoritativeness. The ESPN College Basketball Encyclopedia also discusses the research done by Premo and Poretta to determine retroactive rankings, for example. I will add the field "Pre-tournament Premo-Poretta champions" to the infobox. Other established selectors should also be added. In the alternative, I support the proposal to remove categorization by individual selector and have a category for pre-NCAA tournament national championships in general.108.209.63.54 (talk) 06:04, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Disagree. The reason why Helms is the alternative is because they are the voting body in which the NCAA officially recognizes pre-NCAA Tournament national champions and All-Americans. In the NCAA Media Guide, there are no mentions of AAU national champions nor Premo-Poretta national champions. The Helms Athletic Foundation is the standard to which All-Americans and national championships are measured in pre-1939 college basketball. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:47, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
    • This is incorrect. The NCAA does not officially recognize pre-NCAA Tournament champions, Helms or otherwise. The NCAA lists Helms selections to 1948 under the "Final Season Polls" section of its basketball records book. This is not implicit recognition. The NCAA also lists 39 different selectors' picks for college football, but it does not "officially" recognize any of the selections -- they are provided for informational purposes only. The selector list is also non-comprehensive and has changed several times. Likewise, there is no language in the NCAA basketball record book indicating that the NCAA recognizes the selections of the Helms organization. Furthermore, objectively speaking, there are no historical characteristics that distinguish the Helms Foundation as a greater authority in naming champions than any other organization. Claims that Helms convened a "panel of experts" are apocryphal, as none of the historical evidence shows that determinations as to retroactive selections were made by anyone other than a single person -- Bill Schroeder, the first director of the Helms Foundation. The Premo-Porretta research is more recent, having been completed in 1995, but also more comprehensive, as the two researchers were able to uncover game results in their archival work that had previously been lost/unavailable. The fact that the Helms Foundation's retroactive selections took place in the more distant past, and have thus become more familiar over the years, does not establish that they are more or less authoritative than any other unofficial selector of basketball national champions (and, again, all such selectors are unofficial, Helms included). There is thus no legitimate reason to include Helms information while excluding Premo-Porretta selections or selections of other similar organizations; there are really only two categories of championships: (1) NCAA Tournament championships, and (2) all other unofficial pre-Tournament championship selections. For the sake of precision, I now think that collapsing all pre-Tournament selections into a single field is undesirable; any included selector should be specifically named. If a school recognizes a championship other than the only official college basketball national championship -- the NCAA Tournament championship -- then that championship should also be included with specific information identifying it as a pre-Tournament, non-NCAA national championship (e.g., "Pre-Tournament AAU champions" and so forth). 108.209.63.54 (talk) 03:47, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Multiple arenas[edit]

What if a team has played in more than one arena? I was expecting to see arena1=, arena2= (and capacity1=, capacity2=). Could these params be added? Stevie is the man! TalkWork 22:19, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

No need, Stevie. Just use the <br> coding at the end of the first arena name, and then add the second arena name following the coding. The <br> coding is a hard line break and will automatically create a second line. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:37, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
OK, will do. Thanks. By the way, I've been programming (off and on) for the past quarter-century, so I know HTML and then some. :) Stevie is the man! TalkWork 01:03, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
@Dirtlawyer1: But wait, how does using breaks keep the arena with their respective capacity? Or does the previous arena's capacity not matter? Stevie is the man! TalkWork 01:05, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
If we're doing a manual work around, just don't use the capacity parameter, and code it like this: "Arena1 Center (12,000)<br>Arena2 Hall (22,500)," using the arena parameter only. Jerry-Riggers 'R' Us. Voila. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:53, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
OK, I guess a workaround is my only hope for now. Thanks. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 02:23, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Additional optional parameters[edit]

How about adding a line for the apparel sponsor or apparel outfitter? How about adding a line for the team's practice facility if they have one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Misterintensity101 (talkcontribs) 15:49, 21 October 2016 (UTC)