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DYK for Abramo Colorni
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On 19 October 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Abramo Colorni, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Renaissance-era weapons designer Abramo Colorni performed magical illusions and card tricks for his patrons? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Abramo Colorni. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Abramo Colorni), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Woohoo, thanks! Andre๐ 00:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- 5000! nice! beat my 2000 last time. Maybe a function of Friday night. Andre๐ 05:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Notice of noticeboard discussion
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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Brocade River Poems (She/They) 01:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Question
[edit]There appears to be at least two non-EC users substantially involved in this article. Given that the issues associated with the article have become intertwined with the A/I conflict, are the non-EC users not supposed to make or revert any edits to the article until they have made 500 edits? Are their edits actually invalid and supposed to be reverted based on the stated ground? Steven1991 (talk) 02:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Correct, any of their edits or even discussion that touches on A/I is forbidden. Andre๐ 02:25, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- As such, would reverting any of their edits based on the stated ground be considered potential edit warring? Steven1991 (talk) 02:26, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- WP:ARBECR:
On any page where the restriction is not enforced through extended confirmed protection, this restriction may be enforced by other methods, including page protection, reverts, blocks, the use of pending changes, and appropriate edit filters. Reverts made solely to enforce this restriction are not considered edit warring.
So looks like no it would not, any edits that concern ARBPIA broadly construed or discussion should be revertable. I would advise you to tread lightly though when it comes to "broadly construed" or peripherally related. I always thought that broadly construed did a lot of work, but it may depend. Andre๐ 02:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)- The mods donโt seem to care about this. One of them has basically made dozens of objectionable entries without hindrance, while accusing me of all kinds of stuff when they are not supposed to make edits in the first place. It is quite frustrating. Steven1991 (talk) 02:57, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- You can file a report, but after you warned them they're probably going to step more lightly, and it looks better / is a better practice overall to warn them at least once or twice before going to escalate for sanctions. Leniency is generally a good idea. Just log down the diffs. WP:DIFF learn how to make them, learn how to log them and present them if need be. The easiest way is to copy the url to a diff and just stick it in brackets [1], but there are also other ways, like Special:Diff/1251970481. Either way, if you have diffs of repeated disruption or ignoring the ARBECR after a warning, you can file a report at WP:AE to sanction the user or just share the diffs with a friendly admin if you have one that will listen. You're still new and you're already in a lot of drama-filled areas. However you are learning quickly and there are likely to be other users challenging you as well. Demanding an apology too often, even though it may be merited, is likely to annoy people so best to build a thick skin and focus on the smoking guns when you have the receipts. Sorry for mixing metaphors, but you should also try to have fun and enjoy it and don't take it personally when other people are doing things that we don't like and agree with, unfortunately it's a reality. I'll spare some more choice observations and just advise you to hold your cards a little closer to your chest. Say less smile more. Andre๐ 03:04, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- I guess I would spend less time on the specific page and focus on others instead so as to make the participation more rewarding. Steven1991 (talk) 00:23, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Sigh, someone totally uninvolved in the matter just turned me into the aggressor when I am the victim. Steven1991 (talk) 06:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- I see that. I recommend that you stop doing things like filing SPI reports until you understand better what they're looking for on that. Similarly, I would advise you not to respond with long bullet point lists and talking about rights or overusing process. Try to use a lighter touch. You wouldn't be able to make any edits if you end up topic banned or blocked because you exhausted the patience of the norms after being told repeatedly by others. I'm saying that because I see the thread on ANI getting overheated and I thought we were trying to dial down the stress. You don't need to defend yourself if you already have, and it's frowned upon to keep saying the same thing especially if it's long. Concision is encouraged and try to whittle down your responses to the most targeted and incisive parts rather than just responding with all of your thoughts all at once. I'm telling you this in the interest of keeping you around here. If you do end up blocked, make sure your unblock request is not litigating the block but explaining clearly what you will do differently and how you'll avoid doing that. Andre๐ 07:15, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I believe I have done the contributions to the relevant articles I deem deserving of enrichment. I can always look for something else to have fun on if I wish. I would say there is a lot of stuff in real life worthy of doing as well. What do you think? Steven1991 (talk) 07:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely take a break, because if you keep responding while agitated you'll almost certainly get at least some kind of block. I admire that you're trying to make good improvements, so focus on that and take a break until you can respond more slowly and deliberately. Andre๐ 07:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Who will be the one to decide? The patrolling mods of the board? Steven1991 (talk) 07:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- The only admins I saw respond to your thread were El_C and Liz. Both are reasonable and evenhanded and you should listen to what they said. Andre๐ 07:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- This site is somehow too cumbersome to manoeuvre. Sad to say Steven1991 (talk) 07:37, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- One tactic that always helps is learning quickly, adjusting, pivoting, apologizing for mistakes and not repeating them. E.g. copypasting the same text is a huge no-no. I tried to tell you before not to report someone after warning them but save your receipts. Don't blow up landmines by accusing people. Etc. Definitely don't edit while hot under the collar and go off. Andre๐ 07:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- How does it really work? How likely would the most undesirable happen? Steven1991 (talk) 13:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is such a difficult place to get used to. I am concerned that I may not be able to contribute more. @Piotrus Steven1991 (talk) 13:25, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Umm. I am not sure I grasp what is going on there, but AGF, if you are in trouble, consider asking for a long topic ban from the topic you got into trouble with, then show everyone you can be constructive in another topic area. Maybe it will help. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- I see a number of wise, calm editors here urging User:Steven1991 to do the right things. I have said what I hope are calming words on the ANI thread. I sincerely hope Steven1991 can abandon Wikipedia for today and come back when they feel more enthusiastic about the community. If he feels he must communicate, please keep it to friendly talk pages. Wikipedians are on their own for their behaviors, which sometimes involves self-restraint. We wish Steven well today. BusterD (talk) 14:22, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Umm. I am not sure I grasp what is going on there, but AGF, if you are in trouble, consider asking for a long topic ban from the topic you got into trouble with, then show everyone you can be constructive in another topic area. Maybe it will help. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- One tactic that always helps is learning quickly, adjusting, pivoting, apologizing for mistakes and not repeating them. E.g. copypasting the same text is a huge no-no. I tried to tell you before not to report someone after warning them but save your receipts. Don't blow up landmines by accusing people. Etc. Definitely don't edit while hot under the collar and go off. Andre๐ 07:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- This site is somehow too cumbersome to manoeuvre. Sad to say Steven1991 (talk) 07:37, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- The only admins I saw respond to your thread were El_C and Liz. Both are reasonable and evenhanded and you should listen to what they said. Andre๐ 07:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Who will be the one to decide? The patrolling mods of the board? Steven1991 (talk) 07:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely take a break, because if you keep responding while agitated you'll almost certainly get at least some kind of block. I admire that you're trying to make good improvements, so focus on that and take a break until you can respond more slowly and deliberately. Andre๐ 07:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I believe I have done the contributions to the relevant articles I deem deserving of enrichment. I can always look for something else to have fun on if I wish. I would say there is a lot of stuff in real life worthy of doing as well. What do you think? Steven1991 (talk) 07:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- I see that. I recommend that you stop doing things like filing SPI reports until you understand better what they're looking for on that. Similarly, I would advise you not to respond with long bullet point lists and talking about rights or overusing process. Try to use a lighter touch. You wouldn't be able to make any edits if you end up topic banned or blocked because you exhausted the patience of the norms after being told repeatedly by others. I'm saying that because I see the thread on ANI getting overheated and I thought we were trying to dial down the stress. You don't need to defend yourself if you already have, and it's frowned upon to keep saying the same thing especially if it's long. Concision is encouraged and try to whittle down your responses to the most targeted and incisive parts rather than just responding with all of your thoughts all at once. I'm telling you this in the interest of keeping you around here. If you do end up blocked, make sure your unblock request is not litigating the block but explaining clearly what you will do differently and how you'll avoid doing that. Andre๐ 07:15, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- You can file a report, but after you warned them they're probably going to step more lightly, and it looks better / is a better practice overall to warn them at least once or twice before going to escalate for sanctions. Leniency is generally a good idea. Just log down the diffs. WP:DIFF learn how to make them, learn how to log them and present them if need be. The easiest way is to copy the url to a diff and just stick it in brackets [1], but there are also other ways, like Special:Diff/1251970481. Either way, if you have diffs of repeated disruption or ignoring the ARBECR after a warning, you can file a report at WP:AE to sanction the user or just share the diffs with a friendly admin if you have one that will listen. You're still new and you're already in a lot of drama-filled areas. However you are learning quickly and there are likely to be other users challenging you as well. Demanding an apology too often, even though it may be merited, is likely to annoy people so best to build a thick skin and focus on the smoking guns when you have the receipts. Sorry for mixing metaphors, but you should also try to have fun and enjoy it and don't take it personally when other people are doing things that we don't like and agree with, unfortunately it's a reality. I'll spare some more choice observations and just advise you to hold your cards a little closer to your chest. Say less smile more. Andre๐ 03:04, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- The mods donโt seem to care about this. One of them has basically made dozens of objectionable entries without hindrance, while accusing me of all kinds of stuff when they are not supposed to make edits in the first place. It is quite frustrating. Steven1991 (talk) 02:57, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- WP:ARBECR:
- As such, would reverting any of their edits based on the stated ground be considered potential edit warring? Steven1991 (talk) 02:26, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Jewish skulls
[edit]The only reliable source I have found about Jewish skulls is a pirated video on Dailymotion: Jesus The Real Story: Episode 3 - The Last Days - BBC 4. ืชืื"ื (talk) 02:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- I do not think that would qualify as a reliable source, though. Probably better not to write about Jesus' skull shape. I don't think it would be a helpful thing to include at this point. Andre๐ 03:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)