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User talk namespace templates[edit]

Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace

Edit summary[edit]

A full legend WP:ESL and a quick reference



Ligulem has been updating references
Edit summary: Hard-coded fontsize → CSS class "references-small" (per MoS))
from <div style="font-size: 90%"> to + <div class="references-small">
(Henge is not sure what this means but is interested.)
-- Henge 17:14, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
See discussion at WP:FN and here -- Paleorthid 23:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

footnotes, notes, citations, references and bibliography[edit]

Note: Many of today's style guides forbid or deprecate footnotes and reference endnotes when used simply to cite sources [1]. The APA style does not use footnotes to cite sources. The MLA style manual has deprecated reference footnotes and reference endnotes for decades in favor of in-line bibliographic references.

see Category:Citation templates
(started -- 18:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC))

also referred to as MediaWiki Footnotes.
Uses multiple inline <ref>text of note</ref> in combination with a single <references/> under either a ==References== or ==Notes==heading.
Henge is confused about this. Should you have a ==Notes and references== section when both are used?
There are templates you can insert between the <ref> and </ref> tags to format bibliographic references for you.
Tread lightly, and seek consensus first, before converting citation styles. For example, when using (semi-)bot tools as listed below:
  • User:Cyde/Ref converter converts articles that use the {{ref}} and {{note}} system into the more recent m:Cite.php system;
  • Citation Tool diagnoses and fixes sequencing and duplication errors in m:Cite.php references. In the future, Citation Tool may (optionally) enable user-guided conversion of some or all of the <ref> numbered citations to named notes using the footnote3 template technology (which includes Harvard references).
In the references section, it is possible to add the following:

<!--See for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags--> <references/>

{{cite web|last= |first= |authorlink= |coauthors= | date= |url= |title= |format= |work= |pages= |publisher= | language= |accessdate= |accessyear= |url= }}

Others (from Citations of generic sources) are Template:Cite_book, Template:Cite_paper, Template:Cite_journal, Template:Cite_conference, Template:Cite_news, Template:Cite_encyclopedia, and Template:Cite_press_release

Keep an eye on this beta meta:bibliography php.

(ended -- 20:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC))


  1. ^ "Citation and Style Guides". Concordia Libraries. Concordia University. Retrieved 2006-05-27.  (This provides a list of common citation styles.)

Wiki guidelines on copying non-copyrighted material[edit]

The article on Tony Tether was copied directly from a US government website. I've seen things like this multiple times. Although the material appears to be in the public domain, it doesn't seem proper to copy-and-paste into Wikipedia what others have written. Are their any policies or guidelines about this? Thanks! -Medtopic 00:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

This is done often with this sort of public domain material. Of course, it should be edited for NPOV and encyclopedic style, as well, it needs to be wikified. Rmhermen 02:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
In academia, it would certainly be improper. Here, we usually give attribution if the borrowing is substantial (see my newly-created Category:Attribution templates; I know there are templates somewhere for government works too). —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 03:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Source material clearly in the public domain, such as the source in question, is proper to bring over to Wikipedia. The source is indicated in the References section, as is standard for Wikipedia. However, it should be improved with with an inline citation, and further edited for NPOV and encyclopedic style.

Intermediate source[edit]

Is it appropriate to use material from a particular source, but to credit that particular sources citations in the article instead of the author? Torturous Devastating Cudgel 16:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

  • No. If you use an intermediate source, your content is depending on the reliability of that intermediate source as well as the quoted source. Your citation should reflect that. Section 3.1 of WP:CITE -Clubjuggle 01:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Spam and wikify messages[edit]

    • WikiProject Spam use edit summary: Removed [[WP:EL|external link]] [[WP:SPAM|spam]]. ([[WP:WPSPAM|you can help!]]) >> tag user talk: {{subst:spam1}}
    • Wikify use edit summary: Wikified as part of the [[WP:WIKIFY|wikification drive]].

Useful stuff[edit]

My Discussions[edit]

  • 30 Oct 2004 with Anthere at User:Anthere/carton, section: Soil science redirects to pedology.
  • 29 Jun 2006 with Anthere at User:Anthere/archive1, section: WikiProject Soil. links to longer discussion on article talk page.