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Arabic alphabet

Hi Abjiklam, regarding that revert, Arabic letters pronunciation slightly differ from region to region. If we are to write all the phones for each letter and each region, it would take an unnecessary space in an article which deals with the alphabet themselves, not the Arabic phonology. That's why, I, after distinguishing the velars from the uvulars, thought that it wasn't a good idea, because they are not phonemically meaningful and are not essentially very different from each other and for the previously mentioned reason. Only the hugely different phones were distinguished (affricate/fricative vs velar). Most of the letters were pronounced differently in the stage of Classical Arabic, already. If you found that it is meaningful for the alphabet article to mention those differences, then almost each letter would have two phones mentioned (or more), in addition to their use to write spoken varieties of Arabic. Thanks. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 12:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mahmudmasri. Of course it would be excessive to write all the different allophones for all phonemes of all dialects, but it seemed to me that the uvular fricatives were the ones most widely used across all regions, and so deserved to be mentioned, as opposed to the rather restrictive use of [gʲ] which was mentioned in the talk page. After reading the notes in Arabic phonology, I was surprised to read the velars were actually more popular as I've never heard anyone pronounce it so (may I ask you how you pronounce them? =P). So I suppose it won't hurt if we remove the uvulars, although Arabic sounds very odd to me if I pronounce it with velars. If you do remove the uvulars, please make sure you don't delete the change I've made on ظ because I fixed a link on this letter. I won't be available on Wikipedia for the next 2 weeks, but you can leave a message here if you want to and I'll answer it when I come back. Regards. — Abjiklam (talk • stalk) 17:38, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
The Uvular fricatives pronunciation exist at most parts of Arabia, Iraq, Libya, Tunisia, while the velar fricatives pronunciation exist at Egypt, Sudan, Levant (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan), Algeria, Morocco. As a result, I, as an Egyptian, pronounce them as velars. Contrary to the notion that Literary Arabic has one strict standard pronunciation from coast to coast, it has a loose standard with many pronunciations considered to be correct. I suppose you're from France, and to my knowledge, you have a rhotic consonant which is usually a voiced uvular approximant. I suppose that it might confused you with the velar fricatives. Maybe the ones you know who speak Arabic are from parts where I mentioned. About the palatalized [gʲ], it also exists at parts of Sudan, parts of Yemen and parts of Oman. In Egypt, as well as parts of Yemen and parts of Oman, we pronounce ج as a plain voiced velar plosive [ɡ]. Do you know that the voiced velar plosive is considered the prestigious pronunciation for ج in Egypt? About the [ðˤ] ~ [zˤ], I wasn't the one to make it. Kwamikagami was the one to do that. Have a good time. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 23:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

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I was the one who orphaned it. The author of the image uploaded a new image on commons and so there is no need for the image I uploaded anymore. Therefore I have no objection to it being deleted after seven days. Thank you. — Abjiklam (talk • stalk) 17:17, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

August 2011

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My answer — Abjiklam (talk • stalk) 17:45, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

One Thousand and One Nights

Hi. About the revert, I thought it would be interesting to know the literal translation since the wording is quite unusual for readers who don't know Arabic. — Abjiklam (talk • stalk) 22:46, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I got the point, and as I said - no one would question the good faith of your edit - just that as the difference is simply word order, which everyone knows differs between different languages anyway - it is not really that notable. In the usual sense of the word the translation is already perfectly "literal". It would be quite different if the "word-for-word" order differed in meaning, although even then we would probably put it a bit further down (as we do, ofr instance, with the title "Arabian Nights"). Incidentally the title of Burton's translation does use the Arabic word order, and I think this is actually mentioned further down the page. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 08:11, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Arabic languages and the official Literary Arabic

I have replied on the talk page of Arabic language. Please, consider seeing it. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 15:51, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

File:Arabic alphabet world distribution.PNG

Hi Abjiklam. Thanks for updating the map, but North Sudan has English as an another official language, which makes it uses Latin script, so, it has to be colored as light green, as well. The same thing also applies to Pakistan, it has English as another official language. Western Sahara use Spanish and French, too. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 18:05, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mahmud. Thanks for catching that mistake, I'll change it asap. However, the constitution of Western Sahara only mentions Arabic. — abjiklam (talk · stalk) 18:48, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
I changed it already. Anyway, at Western Sahara people use Spanish and French more than they use Arabic. Their liberation movement has its official website only in Spanish. The same case is similar to Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, where Arabic is the only official language, but the vast majority of the population use French more often that they use Arabic in reading and writing, even officially, occasionally French is used, but not stated in the constitutions of these countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahmudmasri (talk • contribs) 18:59, 21 September 2011
Regarding your last edit, well China and Malaysia officially don't use Arabic script, which would lead them to be colored in gray. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 02:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Uyghur is an official language of the Xinjiang region of China and is written with the Arabic script. In Malaysia, the Jawi script still has an official status. — abjiklam (talk · stalk) 19:08, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
At Malaysia and Brunei aticles, it is stated that Malay alphabet is the official script, why? --Mahmudmasri (talk) 14:37, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Well, frankly, I don't know why! ;) I've done some reasearch though. For Malaysia, the National Language Act does mention the Jawi script. The Jawi script is still pretty common on street signs, and Malaysian ringgits are written in both Latin and Jawi scripts. For Brunei, this article from the Brunei Times says Jawi is official. — abjiklam (talk · stalk) 18:40, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:Tunisian Constituent Assembly election, 2011

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RE: Renaming of Results of the Tunisian Constituent Assembly election, 2011

hmm, i dont usually edit anglo election articles because of the crowd there that goes mad, but i edit most other election articles and we generally call it election without an s for plural. but youre rational and non-confrontational so i do wish to leave it to you. Either move it back or get a 3rd opinion, your call.Lihaas (talk) 21:58, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah people can get mad sometimes :P Anyway, the problem is not the word election which I agree to keep singular, it's the word result. I'll go ahead now and revert your renaming simply to keep it consistent with the other articles. — ABJIKLAM (t · c) 23:27, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

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 Done. Thanks. — ABJIKLAM (t · c) 19:29, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Ghannouchi

why did you regect my changes on Ghannouchi? I'm sure he was not a president of Tunisia since the constitution did not allow him to be a president.--197.28.183.184 (talk) 17:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Constitutions don't allow many things. That doesn't stop them from happening. Unless I'm mistaken, the constitution didn't allow Ben Ali to be cried out of office or Gaddafi to be shot out of his. Particularly, Egypt's constitution left no provision whatsoever for the military to become the new government but there sits a soldier as the Egyptian head of state. Therequiembellishere (talk) 17:32, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
But even Ghannouchi himself did not pretend that he is a president and all what he did was conforming to the constitution, in fact he proclamed that he will take the charges of the absent president till he returns to Tunisia. In this case of the constitution, Ben Ali remains the effective president and Ghannouchi has not the right of the constitutional oath and so he is not a president. In fact when the constitutional council proclamed that Ben Ali is never a president, Moubazaa became a president because that is what the constitution say. I want to ask you where are you from because I'm tunisin and lived the days of the revolution in Tunisia and I'm sure of what I'm saying.--197.28.183.184 (talk) 18:08, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Actually, when I reverted your edit, it was simply because your edit had erased the structural changes I had added (hlist instead of nowrap). As for whether Ghannouchi should stay on the list, I don't have a definite opinion so I'll let you guys discuss about it on the talk page. — ABJIKLAM (t · c) 20:24, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

hlist

Hi. The above is helpful. Note that you will often have to fuss with things further, as there are a lot of oddly marked-up templates. Alarbus (talk) 08:05, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks that is quite helpful! — ABJIKLAM (t · c) 08:18, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Enjoy. See Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2011-11-21/Technology report, too. Another other useful one is class="plainlist" (and if needed {{plainlist}}). It's mostly for infoboxes and such.
I see you've been styling groups with line-height: 1.4em;. Mostly I believe such things should be skipped to keep template markup clean. If there's a good case that the default (1.5) is too much, then the site css should be tweaked for all navboxes (float idea at MediaWiki talk:Common.css if you like). Alarbus (talk) 08:27, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Got it. Thanks for your help. — ABJIKLAM (t · c) 23:40, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

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 Done — ABJIKLAM (t · c) 21:37, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 01:15, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
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