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Your edits

I've noticed that you seem to be interested in wikipedia's various deletion processes. You might want to read WP:Deletion policy. There are 3 types of deletion, WP:CSD, WP:PROD and WP:AfD, each of which is used differently and for deleting different problems. If you become interested in new page patrolling, you might want to consider using Twinkle. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. --Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 02:31, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Talal Maddah albums

Hello Anowlin. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Talal Maddah albums, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A9 doesn't apply - the artist Talal Maddah does have an article. The capitalisation was wrong in the article - I've fixed it - but if an artist's name is mis-capitalised it's worth checking the proper capitalisation.

One other point - when you tag an article for speedy, you should copy to the author's talk page the warning which is generated for you towards the bottom of the speedy template when it is expanded on the article page. Otherwise he doesn't know what's happened, and probably just puts the article in again. If it is a new author who hasn't had a Welcome paragraph, it's a good idea to add one - {{firstarticle}} is a good one - before the speedy warning - it makes it less WP:BITEy, and gives useful links includng WP:Your first article, which may help him do better next time. There is good advice for speedy taggers at WP:10CSD and WP:A7M. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 10:12, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Upcoming Fifth Taking Back Sunday Album

Hello Anowlin. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Upcoming Fifth Taking Back Sunday Album to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question. Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 16:47, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Reply

Sorry and Thank You! Anowlin (talk) 16:50, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Jorge Wilmot

I just put up that the Jorge Wilmot article. No way you read the whole thing.Thelmadatter (talk) 18:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Reply

I read the majority of it. I have removed the tags, as I realized all the red marks I was seeing in the edit screen were Spanish. Sorry. Tags removed, article good to go. Anowlin (talk) 19:00, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Seven tags

Seven tags is pretty crazy man. What is up? Greg Bard 19:03, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Reply

Which article are you commenting about. There is one that I meant to combine to "multiple issues" with Friendly, but for some reason, it didn't. I can't seem to remember the article though. I tick tags in friendly as I go through, and usually go back and remove several of them after I finish reading. Sorry, but still, please link. Anowlin (talk) 19:06, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Attack pages

Some more advice: (don't be worried by all this advice - this is how one learns!) Where a page is a personal attack like Joe wickson just now, though it certainly qualifies for {{db-g3}} vandalism, there is a better tag, {{db-g10}} or {{db-atk}}. When adding that you should also blank the whole article. That gets it off the screen so the attacker can't giggle over it, generates a suitably fierce warning for the attacker's talk page, and puts it in a high-priority queue for admin attention. Attack pages from a new editor are one case where I don't usually bother with a Welcome message - it doesn't seem right to be saying "Thank you for your contributions" - but that's a matter of taste. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 19:13, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I considered blanking that one, but then thought an admin (such as you) might need to see the content. Anyhow, thanks for the advice. I get the impression that Twinkle will have a full list of CSDs (seeing as I'm not auto-confirmed for a few more hours now... (think you could help me out with that?)). So far, I'm just going off of memory. Anyway, TY for the advice, and trust me, if I were worried, I'd be hiding in a corner somewhere! Anowlin (talk) 19:16, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

An admin can easily look in the history to see what the article said before it was blanked. I can't help with Twinkle, I'm afraid, as I've never used it (it's said to be incompatible with Zonealarm which I use as a firewall). More random advice - the usual way to separate replies is to indent, as I have with this one, by putting a colon character before it. Next response gets two colons, and so on. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 19:23, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Makes sense. I updated this to have colons. Anyway, thank you again for the advice. I hope Twinkle works, but "my account is too new." Bah, if only I still had my old one. At least Friendly works for now! Anowlin (talk) 19:30, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

OpenAPI

Hi, You placed a speedy deletion tag on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneAPI but send me a message on my talk page which I appreciate to present my defense on the discussion page. The problem is that another user deleted both pages several minutes after you placed your tag and this user have a protected discussion page, so I can't complain. The user is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JzG, if you have some advice I would be very happy.

Jean-Pierre JPLeRouzic (talk) 19:47, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

The page in question appeared to be an advertisement, and was handled as such. Advertising is not allowed on Wikipedia. If you feel that your article should be allowed to remain on Wikipedia, please comment on the administrators talk page (Talk Page). As to being locked, you may not be able to "edit" the talk page, but there should be a link for a new section (generally a tab with a "+" at the top right of the page.

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, please do not add promotional material to articles or other Wikipedia pages, as you did to OneAPI. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" is against Wikipedia policy and not permitted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you.

This whole business seems quite unfair (speedy deletion) and very biased again technical matters, so I will drop my tentative contribution as there is no reason I waste my time if the article could be removed at anytime in the future even if I succeed now. Anyway thanks for discussing and clarifications. JPLeRouzic (talk) 20:21, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I hear what you are saying. Unfortunately, advertising is not permitted on Wikipedia. Your post appeared to be such. In addition, assuming you are related, then your post would represent a conflict of interest, which is frowned upon when posting on Wikipedia, whose goal is to provide uncensored, unbiased information. Sorry man. Anowlin (talk) 00:27, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I've responded

on the talk page. You may want to withdraw your prod. Chairs of Departments at major academic institutions such as Hopkins are certainly not prod-able.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:52, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

No worries. Tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:18, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, AndrewN. You have new messages at Fiftytwo thirty's talk page.
Message added 21:12, 21 May 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 21:12, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Disturbed (album)

Sorry, it took me a few tries to grasp this; I now agree it's a hoax and have deleted it as such. Luckily if the page is gone, no one will see what a dog's breakfast I made of the edit history ;-) Accounting4Taste:talk 21:21, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. I first saw this, and quite frankly WTF'd... Anowlin (talk) 21:22, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Probably time for me to take a wiki-break, if I can be that dense in such a short time. Glad it's worked out properly, though. I'm going to hang it up for the weekend, based on this; no need to prove to anyone else I can foul things up with the best of them occasionally. Accounting4Taste:talk 21:26, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Roman Rain

Hello Anowlin! The Article about Roman Rain is meets for at least 2 criteria: -has international concert;
-has performed music for a work of media that is notable(Russian TV series «School»).
moreover this artist is the most romantic image of the Russian non-commercial scene and unique in his style.

In 2009 Roman Rain won 2 nomination:
-The Best Russian gothic group
-The Best concert of Russian group
on Russian Gothic Project(it's the oldest resource about gothic subculter in Russia)
ref:http://www.gothic.ru/top/

or may be i need to make more references?
thanx, Ghost of rada (talk) 21:59, 21 May 2010 (UTC)Ghost_of_rada

At the time of nomination, I guess I didn't see the above references (possibly due to an edit conflict). I will review the article again, and if merited, remove the CSD A-7 Nomination, and tag with appropriate cleanup tags. Anowlin (talk) 23:02, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Alright. For now, the CSD stands for the page in article space. I have moved a copy of the article to your userspace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ghost_of_rada/RomanRain), and added/will add the appropriate cleanup tags. I just don't think its quite ready for the article space. It reeds quite like a fan page in my opinion, and needs some work to meet quality and formatting standards. Anowlin (talk) 00:15, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Love makes the world go round (1999 Song)

I see that you have been alerted before about nominating articles for speedy deletion under the A9 criteria. Please don't nominate articles under A9 unless they meet the criteria set forth at WP:CSD#A9. I know it might be unclear with a quick read of the criteria, but A9 specifically refers to articles about songs when an article about the artist does not exist. Got questions? Please ask. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 02:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Was unsure where to categorize. Being a song, I figured A9. But the contents, were, well... --ANowlin: talk 02:24, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Gob Squad

Hello Anowlin, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Gob Squad, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: that there are multiple independent, reliable sources included with the article covering the subject is a credible assertion of notability. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 16:19, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Please note that A7 does not require notability, but rather an assertion of notability. If you feel this subject is not notable, please take it to PROD or AFD. Thanks, Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 16:21, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to renominate the article under CSD G-5. The article was previously deleted under A-7, and the original user to create the page is currently banned. Article is now being edited by an anonymous user. It's possible they are circumventing the block on user(s): user:Lisa_Mattocks, user:Alexeisenberg. Review the revision history, you will see that the second user removed the CSD tag. --ANowlin: talk 16:40, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Anowlin. I've been asked by User:Lisa Mattocks to explain a bit of background to what's going on here. There is a weekend-long project underway at the Institute of Contemporary Arts (ICA) in London, UK called 'Performing Wikipedia' (http://www.ica.org.uk/?lid=24606). The purpose of the project is to improve the poor representation of articles about live art and performance art on Wikipedia by adding articles that fulfil Wikipedia's criteria, particularly WP:N and WP:BLP. The project is being undertaken by a group of arts professionals who are professionally knowledgeable and experienced in the relevant subject areas. Their internet access is predominantly via the ICA's internal wi-fi network. Please take a tolerant approach to their creation of new articles, which should be regarded as valuable additions to Wikipedia. If you or any other admin you can identify has blocked the ICA's IP address, it would be much appreciated if this action was reversed. Best wishes Alchemagenta (talk)

Bearing in mind what I've described above, please be aware that it's very unlikely that there are any socks at work from that IP address, just multiple users sharing a wi-fi connection. Therefore I'd be grateful if you unblocked Lisa Mattocks. Best wishes Alchemagenta (talk)

Please note that the above comments also apply to any other articles from User:Lisa Mattocks you may have deleted. Best wishes Alchemagenta (talk) 17:23, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I am not an administrator, and therefore I do not have unblocking powers. The account has been blocked due to vandalism. I have heard the above story several times now, and I, nor do the administrators accept the excuse. --ANowlin: talk 17:25, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Please do not falsely accuse me of creating attack pages

That could itself be considered a personal attack. Google Donna Simpson; she's a real person, and her desire to become the world's heaviest woman is well documented and has been covered in many sources. I first learned about her while listening to the radio (KSTP-FM) the other day and the DJ's were interviewing her. She has been doing a nationwide radio tour and has become quite well-known and controversial. Stonemason89 (talk) 16:56, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Its for an administrator to decide. I did find the information, but I don't see how it qualifies for inclusion. The contents of the article could easily be viewed as an attack (as I did when I saw them). Obesity is unfortunately an issue, but even if its not an attack page, it would still qualify under db-person. --ANowlin: talk 17:00, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Page converted to AfD by GedUK

Bunny-Man

I'm sorry I created that article. I didn't truley understand what wikipedia was truley for. Thanks, Redsoxdude1105

No problem. Welcome to Wikipedia! --ANowlin: talk 17:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Donna Simpson (obese)

Hello Anowlin. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Donna Simpson (obese), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not sure it's an attack page. WIll take to AfD . Thank you. GedUK  17:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

That works. I'll post my argument for deletion on the AfD Page. --ANowlin: talk 17:18, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

AN/I

Some of your edits are referred to at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Unfolding_fiasco_on_Live_Art_articles. Johnbod (talk)

Speedy deletion of Joned Hassan Basra

I removed your A7 tag from this page because it contains a credible assertion of notability. It is, however, tagged for PROD as an unreferenced BLP. --LordPistachio ^talk 17:46, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

• And I've noticed now that you have a lot of messages like this one. Might I suggest you be a bit more cautious with your CSD tagging. --LordPistachio ^talk 17:49, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Anowlin. Would you be so kind as to take the common language article through the deletion process if you don't think it's worthy of an article. I'd like to see the subject get a full and fair hearing. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freakshownerd (talk • contribs) 22:54, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Perfect Like Me

They are a famous band - D33deed33guy —Preceding unsigned comment added by D33deed33guy (talk • contribs) 22:56, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

There is no indication of such importance and notability on your page. All I have found are articles on free artist promotion sites. The only significant article is a tiny listing on last.fm. You may contest deletion using the {{hangon}} tag, and appealing in the talk page. However, you MUST include credible, 3rd party sources indicating importance. --ANowlin: talk 23:01, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

By this would you mean references on the page?--Wassup!!-D33DeeD33Guy Is the SuperComputer of Code Wiki!!??...R.I.P. Dad 23:07, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

References from Credible, 3rd Party sources. After a quick google search, I found 1 article on Last.fm, and the rest were either your myspace page, or other free artist promotion sites. And still, these pages need to assert notability, such as from major awards or other recognitions. I have found no data that shows notability for the band in question. Also, please make your appeal on the talk page for the article in question. It does no good posting here, as the administrators in charge of deletion will not look here. --ANowlin: talk 23:10, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

User:Performwiki

Your warning was excessive.[1] The user has only made 4 edits,[2] the first two asking for assistance. The next two to an article are not vandalism.[3] Please read WP:BITE and in the first instance provide guidance, or at most a level 1 notice. Ty 01:42, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

The user is believed to be either a blocked user under a new account (original user now unblocked) or acting as a sock for said blocked user. Blocked user was Lisa_Mattocks. The issue in question has been resolved however. --ANowlin: talk 02:01, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

OK, that makes more sense in context, but the handling of this whole thing has been less than exemplary.[4] I have now set up WP:WPPW. Ty 02:05, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I guess it's official then. There has been a lot of confusion with this. I'm glad that it has been resolved (for now). All I had to go on were the judgments of an administrator (see the admin notifications board, I can't remember the tag for it) who I'm now guessing wasn't real clear on the situation either. I've had some dealings with theater, and might have a couple of contributions to the project. Thanks for your help and understanding Ty! --ANowlin: talk 02:10, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

CSD of Vaughan Somers (Golfer)

Might I ask that you reconsider your tagging of the above page? It is not referenced well, but a quick Google news search shows that he was indeed a potentially notable golfer. AfD might be proper, but I really don't think speedy delete is correct in this case. PrincessofLlyr ^{royal court} 03:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I've been thinking about this one, and I think I'm going to go ahead and tag for clean up. I'll leave it a watched and go from there. --ANowlin: talk 03:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I was trying to work on it, but I don't know anything about golf and don't have much experience with BLP's, so I'm a little lost. Still, with a little work I think it's worth keeping, so I guess I'll keep trying. PrincessofLlyr ^{royal court} 03:27, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I'll see if I can dredge up some sources for you. I have a friend who is rather enthusiastic about golf. --ANowlin: talk 03:32, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

CompTia + Acronyms

Works for me, though I still don't know what it is. Everard Proudfoot (talk) 04:03, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Ha. It's just a list of acronyms used in technical exams, including the computer repair certification (A+), networking certification (NET+), and security certification (Security+) exams. The list came from an electronic version of the textbook used to study for these exams. No worries though! --ANowlin: talk 04:05, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Dan Maes

I don't know how CorenBot can claim that the one sentence at Dan Maes can be a copyvio, I have also removed your speedy deletion tag, since a major party candidate for governor who's getting a lot of press today seems notable, to me. Everard Proudfoot (talk) 04:10, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking, but I also thought, well Copyvio is Copyvio. I checked and its a direct quote from the page, so I tagged it. If it were a more constructive page, then I'd have probably left the warning (especially if only small parts of the page were copy/paste) and marked as patrolled. I'll tag it to be expanded. --ANowlin: talk 04:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Jean claude ricquebourg

Just FYI, while I think the article is PROBABLY going to face deletion for lack of notability, speedy deletion of recreated articles under WP:G4 is only for articles that were deleted as the result of a deletion discussion (WP:AFD). Being previously speedily deleted and recreated is not in of itself grounds for speedy deletion. Plus, so far as I can tell, this is not identical to the previous article anyway, which was more or less contentless (and was CSD'ed for that reason). This one actually goes into some detail and is not substantially identical. Just thought I'd let you know for future reference. It's no big deal. - Vianello (Talk) 04:38, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. I noticed some more info has been created. I posted {{uw-draftfirst}} on the authors page. I'll post an AFD. I thought G4 might cover CSD, but oh well. --ANowlin: talk 04:39, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

No such luck. CSD is actually explicitly stated as not covered in the template. Either way though, I don't think it's sticking around if it doesn't get some serious outside referencing going on. I just thought I'd let you know, no harm done. - Vianello (Talk) 04:43, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, it got deleted under A7, but he reposted it again already. *Sigh* --ANowlin: talk 04:55, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Indian Airlines Flight 557

I removed your WP:CSD#G2 tag because this was not a test page. Additionally, the contributor should be given a reasonable length of time to work on the article before it gets tagged for speedy. These rapid-fire taggings only serve to dissuade prospective editors. --LordPistachio ^talk 04:43, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

AHHHH!!! I thought I X'd out of Twinkle in time. Woopsy! Sorry. I was thinking the wrong article. I've seen an article with the same (?) title in my list for a while tonight. I thought someone might be making test edits. --ANowlin: talk 04:44, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to say, but whatever the reason, this wasn't exactly an isolated instance of tag-first-ask-questions-later. I realize Twinkle makes it easy to get ahead of yourself (I've been there), but remember that it isn't a race. Slow down a bit and carefully consider each tagging. It's important to get it right, because BITEing the newcomers really is detrimental to the project. --LordPistachio ^talk 04:53, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I just wasn't entirely sure on the CSD for this one. Sorry. --ANowlin: talk 04:54, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

No worries. I'm not fishing for an apology, just hoping you'll heed this advice. Also keep in mind that just because an article isn't appropriate doesn't mean it necessarily has to fit one of the CSD categories. They're very narrow by design. --LordPistachio ^talk 04:59, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I'll keep that in mind. Thanks! --ANowlin: talk 05:00, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your warm welcome to Wikipedia!

Hi Anowlin, Thanks for your warm welcome. the links you provided seem to be very helpful, and i'm sure they'll prove a great help in my future Wiki contributions. Thank you for your support. GodivaQueen Godivaqueen (talk) 06:01, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Let me know if you need any help! --ANowlin: talk 15:10, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Three inside down

Hello Anowlin, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of Three inside down - a page you tagged - because: Not nonsense - there is meaningful content. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. decltype (talk) 15:36, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

CSD has been changed. Coren found the page has a copy vio. Re-tagged under G12 just after Coren posted, and I found the copy/paste material on the page listed. --ANowlin: talk 15:38, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

In fact, I was referring to a different article, but I agree that the tag applies to that page too. Thanks for pointing it out. decltype (talk) 15:42, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

kafka

Hi. I was in the midst of adding more. Now I can't. Not sure how to recover the material as we were both editing at the same time... Jim Steele (talk) 23:44, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Give editors a chance, okay?

"WP:WHACK" redirects here. You may be looking for WP:Wikipedia is not Whac-A-Mole (WP:WHAC).

Not to be confused with Cod throwing.

Whacking with a wet trout or trouting is a common practice on Wikipedia when experienced editors slip up and make a silly mistake. It, along with sentencing to the village stocks, is used to resolve one-off instances of seemingly silly behavior amongst normally constructive community members, as opposed to long term patterns of disruptive edits, which earn warnings and blocks.

Example

Whack!

The above is a WikiTrout (Oncorhynchus macrowikipediensis), used to make subtle adjustments to the clue levels of experienced Wikipedians.

To whack a user with a wet trout, simply place {{trout}} on their talk page.

You need to give editors rather more than 60 seconds to get an article properly started. There's not a single word at WP:A1 that demands that the article provide context "at original posting", and insistence on your personal standard is disruptive and inappropriate. The community has repeatedly begged New Page Patrollers and other CSD folks to give editors (especially inexperienced editors) a chance instead of spamming tags into articles while you have every reason to think that the original editor is still working on it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:25, 24 May 2010 (UTC)