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This is the archive of messages posted on Anne Delong's talk page, April to June, 2019.


Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Did you know

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Administrators' newsletter – April 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2019).

Technical news

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

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Please comment on Talk:Paul Atherton

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Speedy deletion nomination of Poseidon Asset Management

Hello Anne Delong,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Poseidon Asset Management for deletion, because it seems to be promotional, rather than an encyclopedia article.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

Onel5969 TT me 02:04, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Anniversary

This week is the 6 year Anniversary of your Editor of the Week Award. Glad to see you are still committed to improving the Encyclopedia. ―Buster7 ☎ 15:57, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, User:Buster7. It doesn't seem that long.—Anne Delong (talk) 04:39, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Steven Beitashour

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Please comment on Talk:Gavin McInnes

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Craig Simmons Page

Hi Anne, thank you for your feedback with this draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Craig_Simmons Some changes were made based on your comments. Not all of the references could be replaced with independent sources, but all of the important research related ones have. Do you think the page can move forward to being published or do you think there's more work to be done? AhmadKml (talk) 07:09, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello AhmadKml. The changes that you made are positive ones. The draft still needs work. Part of the reason that you had trouble finding independent references for some information is that the draft is written more from an inside perspective than as a neutral encyclopedia article. The emphasis should be on what Prof. Simmons has actually done, rather than on what he is inspired to do and what his and his team's goals and aims are (those things belong perhaps in a magazine interview or promotional material for his department). There is often a big difference between what a person would like others to know about themselves and what journalists and independent academic writers have found interesting enough to write about, and its the latter that is wanted in the encyclopedia.
I removed the direct links to his own publications from the body of the article; that's against Wikipedia policy. I also left a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine for a more expert opinion, since I know very little about Prof. Simmons area of research.—Anne Delong (talk) 11:32, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Ainu languages

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Happy Adminship, Anne! ♥

Wishing Anne Delong a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Coffeesweet (talk) 18:40, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for making Wikipedia a better place! :-) :-)

ArbCom 2019 special circular

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This message was sent to all administrators following a recent motion. Thank you for your attention. For the Arbitration Committee, Cameron11598 02:58, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)

ArbCom would like to apologise and correct our previous mass message in light of the response from the community.

Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.

We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.

For the Arbitration Committee, -Cameron11598 21:03, 4 May 2019 (UTC)


Administrators' newsletter – May 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2019).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • XTools Admin Stats, a tool to list admins by administrative actions, has been revamped to support more types of log entries such as AbuseFilter changes. Two additional tools have been integrated into it as well: Steward Stats and Patroller Stats.

Arbitration

  • In response to the continuing compromise of administrator accounts, the Arbitration Committee passed a motion amending the procedures for return of permissions (diff). In such cases, the committee will review all available information to determine whether the administrator followed "appropriate personal security practices" before restoring permissions; administrators found failing to have adequately done so will not be resysopped automatically. All current administrators have been notified of this change.
  • Following a formal ratification process, the arbitration policy has been amended (diff). Specifically, the two-thirds majority required to remove or suspend an arbitrator now excludes (1) the arbitrator facing suspension or removal, and (2) any inactive arbitrator who does not respond within 30 days to attempts to solicit their feedback on the resolution through all known methods of communication.

Miscellaneous

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Please comment on Template talk:Country data New Caledonia

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Mandolins

Hello,

I am in the process of asking for those interested in mandolins to comment. I am one whose additions to the mandolin article have made it too long. Since you worked on the Bluegrass mandolin article, perhaps you might have input? Although I would rather leave the mandolin article intact, I have created two spinoffs from some of its content, the Mandolins in the United States and History of the mandolin. Would you be willing to give opinion? Sincerely, Jacqke (talk) 18:39, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Canadian mandolin

Thank you for your comment on the mandolin article. You made me think of another question-subject. I have no sources dealing with Canadian bluegrass or other music, so have stayed away from writing about it. I'll have to investigate now. Do you think a joint Canada-US article would work? As to North America, I definitely need to see if the mandolin has a significant presence in Mexico, but suspect the bandurria completely fills that niche. Thanks, Jacqke (talk) 20:25, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello Jacqke. There's less info about Canadian than American mandolin stuff, because the population is smaller, but there is some: Mandolin Society of Peterborough, Toronto Mandolin Orchestra, the Mandolin Orchestra of Niagara, various mandolinists (Willie P. Bennett, Rex Yetman, Ray Legere, Shari Ulrich, Andrew Collins), luthiers (Michael Heiden, Garrison Guitars, Godin), etc. Both the Central Canadian Bluegrass Awards festival([1]) and the Eastern Canada Bluegrass Music Awards present an annual "Mandolin player of the year" award. The genres are similar to the US, which is why a combined article might make sense. If mandolins aren't played much in Mexico, a short section noting that would do.—Anne Delong (talk) 22:10, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Order of the Arrow

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Please comment on Template talk:Rfc

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Enn Sellik

Hi, which new record did he set here? Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:49, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Pelmeen10. I was unable to read which record because the source on Google Books only had "snippet view". However, the French Wikipedia had the information, so, assuming that it is correct I added it to the English article.—Anne Delong (talk) 10:30, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Still not clear if world record, European record, Championship record, national record or personal best (last one seems to be the case per French wiki). Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:40, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
I don't know. Maybe someone more sports-knowledgeable can find out.—Anne Delong (talk) 04:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Bond 25

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Please comment on Talk:Alexander the Great in the Quran

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Teahouse Hosts

Hello. Over at the Teahouse we're having a bit of a 'spring clean' by removing inactive entries from the list of Hosts. As you don't appear to have been active there for the last couple of years, your 'host profile' has been removed from the list. But please don't let that put you off contributing again in the future - either by signing back up as a Host to assist on regular basis, or just dropping in whenever you fancy helping out.

Thank you for all your past help and support for new users at the Teahouse. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:04, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2019).

Administrator changes

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CheckUser changes

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Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC seeks to clarify whether WP:OUTING should include information on just the English Wikipedia or any Wikimedia project.
  • An RfC on WT:RfA concluded that Requests for adminship and bureaucratship are discussions seeking to build consensus.
  • An RfC proposal to make the templates for discussion (TfD) process more like the requested moves (RM) process, i.e. "as a clearinghouse of template discussions", was closed as successful.

Technical news

  • The CSD feature of Twinkle now allows admins to notify page creators of deletion if the page had not been tagged. The default behavior matches that of tagging notifications, and replaces the ability to open the user talk page upon deletion. You can customize which criteria receive notifications in your Twinkle preferences: look for Notify page creator when deleting under these criteria.
  • Twinkle's d-batch (batch delete) feature now supports deleting subpages (and related redirects and talk pages) of each page. The pages will be listed first but use with caution! The und-batch (batch undelete) option can now also restore talk pages.

Miscellaneous

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Please comment on Talk:Tulsi Gabbard

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The prodigal student returns; needs help with an article

What'd ya know? Turns out I WAS your student. I hope you won't be disappointed with the work I have been doing since we last talked here. Anyway, I've been working on this article. I came this far without consulting anyone because I was sure I could find a/some place/s to merge the content to if people don't like it as an article. But, now, I need to ask, because I want to publish it and then continue working on it. Didn't feel like asking anyone else before you. The specific problem is: It looks too much like a list and also not enough like a list. Thanks! Usedtobecool TALK 12:57, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello Usedtobecool. This is not a topic I know anything about, but there seems to be enough written about it to support an article. I do have some suggestions: First, the statement that superstition is "pervasive" is rather strong and will need a couple of authoritative references. Then saying that this has led to the witch hunts is drawing a conclusion, so that would also need to be attributed to an expert. There may be references out there, or it might be simpler to just write "However, there are many cases each year of people being persecuted as witches in Nepal" or something like that. The sentence about more reporting rather than more incidents should also have a reference, because it's important to know if it's true.
I agree that the list of incidents is a larger part of the article than it should be. If there really are many incidents every year, the article shouldn't try to include all of them or it would be very long; instead, use some as examples, and then say something like "similar incidents happened in the villages of X, Y and Z" and so on. The format you have chosen emphasizes the dates when the incidents happened, which is not actually the important part of the information. It would be less list-like if the sub-section headings were removed and the paragraphs just put all in one section - that's just my opinion, though.
The balance between cases and general information could be improved by added more to the rest of the article to put the incidents in perspective. For example, have the government or the police made any statements or taken any general actions to discourage or prevent these incidents? Are there any laws related to it? Do the incidents happen more frequently in urban or rural areas? Are there international efforts, protests or discussions?
Here's a person who has written a play about it: [2] [3]
Here's an article by a person who has studied witch accusation in Nepal: [4]
There are a couple of pages in this book that have information that may be relevant: [5]
Here's an article which says witch persecution is part of a larger problem in institutionalize violence against women:[6]
Here's one about a local government initiative: [7]
I hope this is helpful. I will be camping in an internet-free zone for several days starting tomorrow, so I won't be able to reply again until Monday.—Anne Delong (talk) 17:12, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
... Aaand, I'm back! @Anne Delong: I'd like to think I took heed of most of your suggestions if not all. I have moved the article to mainspace. I did end up making that article about the broader topic as you suggested. But I decided against turning the incidents' list into prose, until I had a lot more incidents to write about. I think I have now. So, I've decided to write a prose section about major incidents and move around the sections to turn it into a proper article. I will cut the list that is there into a draft, add a dozen more incidents and publish a separate list article as the main article for the prose section of incidents (after it gets out of the DYK process; resisting major change until that is resolved, one way or another). Anyway, that's that. The reason I came knocking is a different one.
I have decided to work on Nepal, referring to India and Switzerland for guidance. It's almost abandoned, so I don't expect to encounter a lot of disruption. I recently completed rewriting the Etymology which can be found at Nepal#Etymology. I feel like it's too long. What I've written is almost the complete story but it can be expanded to perhaps about double the size if it were to be a stand-alone article. While it feels too long, there's also the fact that all other examples I referred to talked about definitive etymologies while mine's about about 900 years of debate. I was wondering if you could give it a read and share your thoughts. Options to consider:
  1. Moving it to a stand-alone article and expanding it with all the details, while only giving the etymologies proper in the current article without all the background info.
  2. The current version is fine, as it's only slightly longer than those of countries with non-controversial etymologies.
  3. No matter how long the debate has been, etymology of a term doesn't deserve a standalone article, neither does it deserve so many words in this article, so cut the crap from this version and forget the rest (might require a helping hand).
Thanks!
P.S. You can say so if you wish to no longer continue the Guru-shishya relationship. I am very amicable, and understand the changing nature of goals and interests of a person over time. I absolutely wouldn't want to be imposing. Usedtobecool ✉️ ✨ 20:08, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello again, Usedtobecool. Sorry to take so long to reply - no internet at the cottage. I took a look at the Etymology section and it's informative, and I think long enough. (Consider WP:NOTDIC). When I am considering adding to an article, I ask myself, what are the readers looking for when they begin to read it? Chances are they want to know things like: Where is Nepal? What are the climate and terrain like? What countries are nearby? What is the main religion? What products and serves are produced? Where are the main cities, and how does one get there? Most readers won't be familiar with the term "etymology".
About making a stand-alone article: consider that anyone wanting more detail than what you already have there (and some of that appears to be speculation) can go and read one or more of the scholarly works you've cited. (You've done a good job of making it clear that it's other people, not Wikipedia, proposing theories of possible origins.) Encyclopedia articles are supposed to be summaries, not long and exhaustive treatments of a subject. In this case it looks like even the scholars don't know for sure, so as you write more, the balance tips toward speculation and theories as opposed to established facts.
However, remember that this is just one opinion - I personally like adding straightforward, factual information - others enjoy adding peripheral and corroborating material. And you aren't imposing - most people like giving advice - and likewise after you read it you are free to disregard it.—Anne Delong (talk) 04:09, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
I think I'll leave the matter as is for now, then. We'll see how it naturally evolves from here. I might get back to it when the rest of the article is up to acceptable standards. Hopefully, by then, I'll be a bit more older and wiser to look at it with a better perspective. Thanks as always! P.S. I still can't believe I didn't see that comma after the "Before", in so many readings of it. LMAO! Usedtobecool ✉️ ✨ 08:54, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Electric smoking system

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Notability

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Please comment on Talk:Electric smoking system

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