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Sun Myung Moon[edit]

Hi. Please feel free & welcome to join the conversation about the Moon article on Moon's talk page. I reverted your edit because Wikipedia articles reflect the sources for information, notability, and importance. The first paragraph, especially the lede sentence, should encapsulate the subject and the subject's notability succinctly (see: WP:MOSBIO) - NONE of the big sources - NYTimes, USA Today, NPR, Washington Post or Associated Press - mention Tongil group so putting it in that first paragraph doesn't represent the importance the cites put on it - even if it was the largest holding. EBY (talk) 14:01, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I will bring up the question on the talk page as you said. BayShrimp (talk) 21:14, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi BayShrimp. Please help me to delete the info Salley777 placed about the founder using the reference of HD Jongkyo - a Korean religious magazine which is not a reliable source since even the Korean Supreme court fined them because this magazine has been arousing a lot of troubles in Korea by fabricating information. I will really appreciate. Bookslover7 (talk) 02:28, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

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September 2013[edit]

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inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Pixar Theory[edit]

As the concept of a "Pixar Universe" preceded the Negroni thesis by a decade, I seek your opinion about THIS. Thanks, Schmidt, Michael Q. 20:52, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps I can fold my little sourced article into the main topic Pixar and we'd have a suitable redirect target for The Pixar Theory? Schmidt, Michael Q. 22:10, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Lifespring[edit]

Hello BayShrimp: I partially restored the Spinoffs section and fixed a nonworking link within it. Does this address your concerns? Hill's Angel (talk) 22:02, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi again BayShrimp: I am confused about your revision of 20:13, 16 August 2013. The previous edit included a discussion of a survey which asked for a response to this statement: "The cults I am most concerned about are…"

Of 53 respondents, 28 answered, "Scientology, est/Forum, and Lifespring.”

You removed this material, writing that it was “off-topic” and “really about Scientology.” It seems to me that the material is on topic and about Scientology, est/Forum, and Lifespring.

Please explain. Hill's Angel (talk) 00:09, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Scientology is probably 100 times better known than the other two. BayShrimp (talk) 00:46, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I am still not following you. How well Scientology, est/Forum, or Lifespring are known seems irrelevant to me. Why would that lead you to remove the material about the survey? Hill's Angel (talk) 16:18, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Because if Scientoloy is 100 times better known than Lifespring (that's just my estimate of course) then if 28 people said they knew about one or the other it is likely that all 28 are talking about Scientology. BayShrimp (talk) 18:52, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

OK, now I see. I have no idea about their relative popularity, especially in the DC area in 1993, when the survey was conducted. The Washington Post Magazine did a cover article on Lifespring in 1987. In 1991, when Clarence Thomas was nominated to the Supreme Court, the Post did a profile of his wife, Virginia Thomas, and mentioned her unhappy experience with Lifespring. Also, ABC's 20/20 (a nationally broadcast, prime-time show) did a very critical segment around 1980.

Do you have anything more than your estimate? If not, I am inclined to restore the survey stuff. Hill's Angel (talk) 23:54, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I would say that people look to an encyclopedia for definite information on a topic. This is does not seem to be definite information. On the other hand it is well sourced and impartially presented. BayShrimp (talk) 07:39, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

As you indicated, the survey has shortcomings. One possibility would be to 1) restore the deleted information and 2) add the following footnote:

“The survey allowed respondents to choose “Scientology, est/Forum, and Lifespring” as their answer, but presented no opportunity to distinguish among the three organizations. Thus, a respondent who was unconcerned about or unaware of one or two of the organizations but concerned about the third would not have been able to make this distinction on the survey.”

What do you think? Hill's Angel (talk) 19:07, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

It would be better to have that note than to just present the info on the survey without it. I still think the data does not tell us much about Lifespring. BayShrimp (talk) 00:57, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

I agree it does not add much. If I were trying to shorten the Lifespring entry, it would be one of the first things I would cut. But I do think it adds something. The entry does a decent job of conveying that Lifespring came under some fire from the media, attorneys representing people who died or suffered psychological damage, psychotherapists, and group process researchers.

But how about the religious community? Lifespring was around for quite a few years. Were there no clergy who were concerned during all that time?

The survey, with its faults, demonstrates there was at least a small response from the religious community. If it is not included, readers might infer that no one in the religious community was concerned. Hill's Angel (talk) 14:58, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi again: Just wanted to let you know that I looked at some of the history of this page. Whether the survey should be part of the entry was part of a long exchange between editors some years ago. Weaknesses in the survey noted by you were pointed out then too. With that it mind, I've decided that at least for the time being I am not going to restore it. Thanks for the discussion. Hill's Angel (talk) 18:59, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Unification Church litigation[edit]

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Hipster racism[edit]

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