User talk:CharlotteinWeimar

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I'm not sure who you meant by "ODA" when you made this edit. I've undone your edit, because that's not the way that names are added to categories. If there's someone who merits an article on Wikipedia, then feel free to write that article about them (demonstrating that he / she is notable making sure that you use proper sources and write in a neutral point of view), and then you can add at the bottom [[Category:Academics of the Royal College of Music|Surname, Firstname]]. Alternatively, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested articles and someone else may start the article for you. Please let me know if there's anything I can do to help. Regards, Bencherlite ^Talk 19:35, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see: Oda Slobodskaya. Well, she's mentioned in various Wikipedia articles already (see here) so an article about her would certainly fill a gap. Have a go! Bencherlite ^Talk 19:56, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

File copyright problem with File:Virginia Zeani as Violetta photographed by her late husband, Nicola Rossi Lemeni .jpg

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June 2014

Please do not add or change content, as you did to Ailyn Pérez, without verifying it by citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Bbb23 (talk) 23:37, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You compounded your addition of unsourced material by removing a maintenance template regarding the need for more sources in the article. Your personal knowledge is not only not a reliable source, but it presents an apparent WP:COI with your editing. I see that kind of justification not only on this article but others. If you persist in ignoring Wikipedia policies, you risk being blocked.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:41, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Zeani & Rossi Lemeni

Whether Nicola Rossi-Lemeni's name in the article Virginia Zeani is correctly spelled is not as important as providing a working link to his article which your edits prevented. Furthermore, I implemented several fundamental formatting rules in the Zeani article which your revert also undid. Please consult the various articles to help new editors to contribute; if you continue to disregard them, your edits could be considered disruptive. I'm going to revert you reversals because they constitute a severe disservice to Wikipedia readers. I caution you against further reversals. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:08, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Please help me with correcting this persistently repeated error. The biographical page entitled Nicola Rossi-Lemeni has an error in the wording as there should not be a hyphen between Rossi and Lemeni. I am the editor and manager of the official website for Nicola Rossi Lemeni and specifically enquired of his family about the precise spelling. I was told that Nicola Rossi Lemeni definitely has no hyphen. I have tried to correct all the spellings in his page and in the page of Virginia Zeani who is his wife. Because the original title (which includes the hyphen) is incorrect, the links to Nicola Rossi Lemeni do not work. I could not find any way to correct the title but perhaps you will be able to do this. I and the Rossi Lemeni Makedon family will be very grateful.

CharlotteinWeimar (talk) 12:14, 24 July 2014 (UTC)CharlotteinWeimar[reply]

How come that every other Wikipedia (CA, IT, ES, FR), the publishers Naxos and Preiser, IMDB, the newspapers The New York Times and the Chicago Tribune, and many other sources spell the name with a hyphen? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:38, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(CA, IT, ES, FR), the publishers Naxos and Preiser, IMDB, the newspapers The New York Times and the Chicago Tribune, are simply compounding a long standing error. The incorrect spelling is even on the famous La Scala LPs, but that does not make it correct. The surname of Signor Nicola Rossi Lemeni's father is simply Rossi. His mother wanted her family name Lemeni to be included in the name of their son, and as he became famous, people assumed it was a double-barrelled name and added the hyphen.

To further complicate matters, Nicola Rossi Lemeni's son had an additional name added from the Lemeni side and is Alessandro Rossi Lemeni Makedon, but there are no hyphens and he is not "triple barrelled". He has now become an America Citizen but in order to complete his naturalisation his mother, stage name Virginia Zeani, had first to change her name from (Mrs) Virginia Rossi Lemeni to (Mrs) Virginia Rossi Lemeni Makedon. Alessandro could then be identified as her son and was granted his nationalisation.

As a cross reference, the Facebook page of Alessandro Rossi Lemeni, of whom there is only one, <https://www.facebook.com/alessandro.lemeni?fref=ts> has no hyphen. He chooses not to add Makedon for day to day purposes but his son Gabriele is using it on Facebook.

The Facebook page for his father Nicola has been generated from Wikipedia and continues to propagate the erroneous hyphen

I realise this is not a huge topic but, as Wikipedia likes to be as accurate as possible, it would surely be sensible to set the record straight.

Incidentally does Wikipedia acknowledge an official website created and maintained with the full co-operation of the people concerned, as a published source?

Hoping you can sort this out accurately and for good

~~CharlotteinWeimar~~

Wikipedia, for good or ill, strictly follows the principle of verifiability, not truth. I remember a case where a reputable book presented a chess solution which was proven wrong by editors; however, it took an almighty row to change the relevant article. If a claim is not in the class of "Paris is the capital of France", it must be supported by reliable sources, and Facebook and "official web pages" pages are not among them. Further, there is a distinct preference for secondary sources; primary sources, the subjects themselves, are discounted and discouraged. In the absence of any reliable sources, the best you can do is to create a REDIRECT where the non-hyphenated version points to the current article. However, the creation of such a REDIRECT may make a later move of the article itself to the non-hyphenated headword slightly more difficult. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:42, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I just looked at the "official" website written decades after the subject's death and found that its preferred spelling is contradicted by the record sleeves that were produced while Rossi-Lemeni was alive and well aware of how his name appeared on those records. Admittedly a few of those records spell his name without a hyphen, but the vast, vast majority use the hyphenated form. It's obviously the form of his name he's better known by; thus it's the form Wikipedia should use. At the very worst I see no indication Rossi-Lemeni would have cared half as much as you do about whether his name is hyphenated or not. Huon (talk) 16:29, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Would the printed cover and title page of a book of poetry called AMICO by Nicola Rossi Lemeni and published in 1993 by his widow count as verifiable evidence? ~~CharlotteinWeimar~~

Evidence for what? For how his widow spelled herself, or how she spelled his name? Probably, but it won't overcome the mountain of evidence that the hyphenated version of his name is the far more common one. Huon (talk) 19:52, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Verifiable evidence for Nicola Rossi Lemeni

I am trying to correct a long standing and frequently propagated error in the name of NICOLA ROSSI LEMENI the famous operatic bass. I have tried to present acceptable, verifiable evidence that the true name, as endorsed by his family, is without a hyphen. But because it has for so long been printed with (though also many times without) the hyphen the Wikipedia administrators who have contacted me prefer to continue to promote the error. As Wikipedia is supposed to be a source of reference, presumably as accurate as possible, I find that disappointing.

I now have a copy of the last passport of Signore NICOLA ROSSI LEMENI MAKEDON (For his work he did not use the final name of Makedon). There is clearly no hyphen. The passport number is N 1642156 dated 2 GIU. 1988 QUESTURA DI ROMA

I have previously been contacted by Michael Bednarek and Huon Please can you let me know if this is acceptable as verifiable evidence? Do you need me to send the scan of the relevant page?

Although I consider it an admirable institution, I do not find it easy working with Wikipedia and I am not as well versed in its procedures as the administrators obviously are. So I have made some mistakes. However, in good faith, I am just doing my best to add useful bits of relevant information. I would like you to know that I am not at all happy to have been told that my attempts are "disruptive" and that I am being "warned". I have generally found the internet, YouTube etc to be a friendly place, where people are helped before being castigated! So I hope whoever follows this up will be well disposed to me.

I would appreciate any help you can give me

(~~CharlotteinWeimarCharlotteinWeimar (talk) 21:06, 26 July 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Let me put it this way: I'm pretty sure Lady Gaga's passport does not give her name as "Lady Gaga". The question is not, "what is legally the spelling of Rossi Lemeni's last name?" (in which case we would have to add the "Makedon" too), but, "by what name (or spelling) is Rossi-Lemeni most widely known?" And going by what the sources, including primary sources such as the covers of his own recordings, have to say, the hyphenated name is by far the more common one. Per WP:COMMONNAME, that should be the one used by Wikipedia. His passport is rather irrelevant for this question, and I don't think it would be considered a published source - citing it in a way that allows our readers to verify its content would be rather difficult. Huon (talk) 00:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Huon's explanation. An example from a more related field is the well-known tenor Josep Maria Carreras i Coll whose Wikipedia article is named José Carreras. — I called your attempts disruptive because you insisted in several edits to use a red link for her husband in Zeani's article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:20, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Re the surname Rossi Lemeni.

        I could cite many hyphen less articles, covers,  posters etc for Rossi Lemeni.   La Scala certainly set off hyphen less - as here for example  La Scala Milan Verdi, Messa da Requiem conducted 
        by Victor de Sabata 27 Gennaio 1951.   Record sleeves "Grandi Voci alla  Scala" ,   "Il Barbiere di Siviglia"  La Scala Milan IDIS 6479/80,   "Anna Bolena"  La Scala Milan MYTO historical live,
        and the published poetry  "AMICO" etc is without the hyphen, so your argument, whilst obviously with foundation, is not nearly as overwhelming as you make out.

        However, as you are clearly totally opposed to this alteration would you accept, at very least for the sake of clarification and information for your readers, mention of the unhyphenated name
        in the body of the text, perhaps worded as  "legal name Nicola Rossi Lemeni Makedon and stage name Nicola Rossi Lemeni,  to which record companies and publicists have sometimes added a hyphen."

        -  or would you delete that contribution?

        Also, I said that I made mistakes and apologise for that. I regret I have entirely incorrectly used a "Red link".   I mistakenly thought all names mentioned had to have [[ ]] round them
        Thank you both for at least trying to explain your reasoning.~~Charlotteinweimar(CharlotteinWeimar (talk) 11:24, 27 July 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Do you have a reliable source saying it was the record companies and publicists who added the hyphen, or discussing his choice of stage name in general? If so, that would make a useful addition to the article. If not, the note we already have in the article about hyphenation seems sufficient (actually it's already so much that it's somewhat problematic without a reference). Huon (talk) 15:58, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

        Dear Huon,  I think the explanatory note added by Michael Bednarek,  which is now on the Wikipedia site for Nicola Rossi Lemeni is an adequate explanation.  Thank you both very much.
        ~~CharlotteinWeimar(CharlotteinWeimar (talk) 16:04, 27 July 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Question about contributions to Saint Maudez

On Saint Maudez, it's unclear what the phrases in angle brackets mean:

<The Roseland Laurence O'Toole>. St Mawes Day,<CofE Saints Days>

Could you shed any light? Feel free to edit the article directly. If these are supposed to be citations, they should be in <ref>...</ref> tags, but they would also need to be clarified as to what they are referring. Thanks! -- Beland (talk) 01:34, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]