User talk:Dr pangloss

May 2024

Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give a page a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Rev. Morgan London Latta. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases for registered users, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Requests for history merge. Thank you. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've made a request to merge the history of the draft into the article. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've now requested the draft be deleted for the reasons stated there. voorts (talk/contributions) 03:13, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia and copyright

Hello Dr pangloss! Your additions to Rev. Morgan London Latta have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the public domain or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a suitably free and compatible copyright license. (To request such a release, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, it's important to understand and adhere to guidelines about using information from sources to prevent copyright and plagiarism issues. Here are the key points:

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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices. Persistent failure to comply may result in being blocked from editing. If you have any questions or need further clarification, please ask them here on this page, or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. voorts (talk/contributions) 03:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My name is Christopher Evans, I am the author of the content you are saying I am infringing on. Dr pangloss (talk) 03:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We can't just take your word for that; anyone can get on Wikipedia and claim to be the author of a source on the internet. If you want to be able to copy content onto Wikipedia, release it under a free license on your website and then do so. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've reverted your edits. Please refrain from re-adding the content. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:11, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The source article has been updated at the bottom "All images in this article are created by the author and released to the public domain." May I now re-add the content? Dr pangloss (talk) 04:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am having a hard time with the revision control system, if I am ok to continue, could you roll forward to the last edit adding the information about the phelps-stokes fund (I believe the one you rolled back). I hate to ask, but I have lost some work already and finding it difficult to navigate. Dr pangloss (talk) 04:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am now seeing some notes about public domain images within images, I can update the metadata to add the source of the public domain images inside my edited images, once things come back online. Dr pangloss (talk) 04:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You'll need to do that over on Wikimedia Commons, where the images were uploaded. In terms of reverting, I can't do that because you haven't released the text on your website under either a Creative Commons license or into the public domain. You can copy the Phelps-Stokes information from this revision before it gets deleted. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, even if you do release your text into the public domain, per the policy on self-citations, excessive use of your own works is a conflict of interest. I recommend reading the self-citation policy before continuing to edit the article. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:36, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can drop my citation, I only cite my work in the one place I have done original research, finding his grave and obituary. I can remove the citation of my research if that helps, but it's currently the only information about his death available so there will be no citation. Dr pangloss (talk) 04:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have added this, does this cover everything you're requesting? "All images and text in this article are licensed under CC BY-NC." This should allow non commercial use of everything on the page. Dr pangloss (talk) 04:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, you cannot copy significant portions of your own writings and work onto Wikipedia per the self-citation policy. If you want your own work to be used extensively, you will need to (1) declare a conflict of interest on your userpage and on the talk page of the article and (2) make a conflict of interest edit request. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see. I have read the COI page. I endeavor to have everything cited by independent reliable sources, the subject has nothing to do with my line of work, I am not marketing myself in any way, I am not a paid contributor.

In any place where it appears that I have "cop[ied] sources ...word-for-word" I can address, but the facts are the facts, I will be chronologically listing facts in the same order, with lots of citations.

If being knowledgeable about the subject or having published an article on it is a COI, then I can fill out a form. I have worked for ACM SIGGRAPH and IEEE for 20 years reviewing papers and submissions. I believe I have a good understanding of what triggers a COI, but I defer to your expertise here.

Thank you for taking the time with me, this is my first article on Wikipedia. I will try my best to address everything tomorrow night as the page is in a state where it doesn't really make sense at the moment. I tried to edit it in my sandbox before moving it, is there a way to move it back to my sandbox and then have you approve it and we move it back? For instance, it's hard to find the images you want me to add metadata to, as they're no longer on the page. Dr pangloss (talk) 05:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's definition of conflict of interest differs from professional contexts somewhat. Whereas citing your own work is expected in the academic world, it is not appropriate on Wikipedia since it gets into the issue of self-advertising. You can absolutely edit an article about Latta, but you can't copy and paste or paraphrase your own work that you've published elsewhere into the article. voorts (talk/contributions) 05:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will also move the article to the draft space so that you can work on it before seeking approval for its publication. voorts (talk/contributions) 05:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Morgan London Latta moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Morgan London Latta. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because you have requested this be moved to draft. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. voorts (talk/contributions) 05:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Links to draft articles

Please do not introduce links in actual articles to draft articles, as you did to Oberlin Village. Since a draft is not yet ready for the main article space, it is not in shape for ordinary readers, and links from articles should not go to a draft. Such links are contrary to the Manual of Style. These links have been removed. Thank you. - Arjayay (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, this was my first article, I was asked to cite more and clean some things up, tag pub domain images as such, etc, do I just move it and that will trigger a review for someone to see that I did that? Dr pangloss (talk) 22:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Oberlin Village (June 1)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)
reliable
secondary
independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

possibly notable but poorly sourced

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Oberlin Village and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Theroadislong (talk) 21:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @Theroadislong, I have updated it based on feedback from AfC help desk, let me know if anything stands out, feedback is appreciated. Dr pangloss (talk) 00:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Dr pangloss! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Theroadislong (talk) 21:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Oberlin Village has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Oberlin Village. Thanks! jlwoodwa (talk) 00:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I have moved the link down to external links. Is there a way to 'cite' an external link, to allow someone to click and go down to it from the body? Dr pangloss (talk) 01:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so. Regardless, you do already cite the Friends of Oberlin Village's website in the section describing them, so that should be sufficient. (Tangentially, you should try to find independent sources; an organization shouldn't be the only source on itself.) jlwoodwa (talk) 01:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Oberlin Village has been accepted

Oberlin Village, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as C-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. This is a great rating for a new article, and places it among the top 21% of accepted submissions — kudos to you! You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

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Thanks again, and happy editing!

Atlantic306 (talk) 21:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thankyou for creating this interesting article. Can you please fix references 27 and 29, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 21:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article linked is under AfC review, is there a way to temporarily strike those, or do I have to remove them and re-add them later? Dr pangloss (talk) 03:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Morgan London Latta has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Morgan London Latta. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 16:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I addressed the feedback, thanks! Dr pangloss (talk) 16:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Morgan London Latta has been accepted

Morgan London Latta, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. Most new articles start out as Stub-Class or Start-Class and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk. Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation.

If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider leaving us some feedback.

Thanks again, and happy editing!

Theroadislong (talk) 17:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]