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Potential speedy delete[edit]

A tag has been placed on Chamarajendra Academy of Fine Arts, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable (see the guidelines for notability here). If you can indicate why the subject of this article is notable, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please write {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself.

Please read the criteria for speedy deletion (specifically, articles #7) and our general biography criteria. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. -- AirOdyssey (Talk) 03:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actions : Debated notability of content, and expanded article.

Status : Completed

Odeyar[edit]

Dear Mr. Kamath, I red your comments about Wodeyar/oDeyar controversy. I entirely agree with you. Normally i am diffident about getting in to a unseemly dlete/add wrangle with another contributor. As you see i requested Mr. Mahesh toundo his own post. But so far he has not obliged. SO ???? Rajachandra 19:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actions : Well, someone had to do it

Status : Done Hgkamath 04:46, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Gemmological Institute of India[edit]

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Gemmological Institute of India, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of Gemmological Institute of India. Spellcast (talk) 15:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actions : removed dated-prod, and expanded article. Hgkamath (talk) 07:33, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Simple Steps to a Greener Home[edit]

Simple Steps to a Greener Home (DVD) was speedily deleted as blatant advertisement. 'Simple Steps to a Greener Home' is a Documentary DVD present in many county libraries, atleast around here in NY state. The DVD is considered educational rather than promotional. There is no endorsement of any product, pricing or direct suggestions to buy anything particular. At best it gives the viewer ideas as to how to incorporate environment friendly ways in day to day life. The wiki page is not different from a DVD info page of a movie title, except that this is non-fiction documentary. If you let me have another go at it I can try to remove the external links or change the language a little. Please restore Hgkamath (talk) 03:09, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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What the article lacked is reliable sources, independent of the topic itself, to demonstrate that it has sufficient notability to be included here. The only references provided in the article were the DVD's page on the website of the company that produced it, and a "buy it" link to Amazon. That's what made it advertising, because it wasn't an objective, neutral encyclopedia article about a DVD which cited legitimate sources to demonstrate that it was a topic that belongs in an encyclopedia — its core purpose, as demonstrated by the writing tone and the fact that its only sources were promotional/commercial in nature, was to encourage people to buy it.

It's not enough to assert that it's widely available in county libraries, because there weren't any sources in the article to verify that. Not everything that exists is necessarily entitled to an article just because it exists; notability on Wikipedia is about the quality of sources you can provide about the topic, not about just being able to prove that the topic exists. Bearcat (talk) 05:23, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Blockbuster is yet another commercial "buy this product here" page, and the library database certainly demonstrates that the DVD exists — but neither one of them offers sufficient information to qualify as significant coverage in reliable media sources. Again: it's the quality of the sources that matters, not just whether you can prove that the thing exists. The key here is real coverage in actual media. It's not how many links you can provide to online shopping sites that have the DVD in their product list — it's how many newspaper or magazine links you can point to in which somebody actually took the time to write about and publish meaningful, significant, substantial and genuinely informative articles about the DVD. Bearcat (talk) 06:07, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

okay will try to find some media links. It will be tough, this particular item is in a double whammy (1) its a non-fiction documentary (2) its about lifestyle, and worse the environment subcategory. It will lack the sensationalism needed for typical sources to write about it like other type of DVDs or of other topics. Hgkamath (talk) 07:45, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are many media pages which mention the DVD as part of Danny's biography or introductions, do not discuss it as much, but the DVD does get mentioned. If most county libraries in USA and Canada had a copy of this DVD, the sales would be significant, but I would need a way to get a reference on the sales figure for that, which is hard to get. You are correct in mentioning that Amazon and other shop links ought not be linked. Hgkamath (talk) 08:56, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edits on Manipal University[edit]

  • Why are you reverting the edits on all pages about the lists of vice chancellors, there is no need for a whole biography about them on the university pages, that information should be included in their respective articles. Please see University of California, Riverside and Michigan State University of which both are featured articles. Gsingh (talk) 15:55, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The VC info tables I started sometime a few years ago. Since then there have been constructive additions by other users which I have retained. The VC box is about the selection and search process of the VC, immediate-last-position-held and the qualification of the person who was appointed to occupy it, and not about them per-say. The person's biography is not my concern. I believe the VC box has encyclopedic/reference potential. Here is how I argue for it: It is information that can be gathered and references can be provided. It is of use because it reveals something about the university that is omitted in the text that precedes it. It reveals whether the universities are picky in the selection of VCs, whether position is treated no more than internal promotion, whether the VC has become a non-functional role, whether they search for new talent, whether they anticipate succession, whether they are embroiled in government politics, whether the position has university wide departmental representation or if a single department has coveted the position. This is the kind of information that is hard to gather, may not find on the universities website, and must be gleaned from covert mention in newspaper reports. A mention in an individual chancellors wiki biography page, if one existed, will not reveal the above. The Chancellor is now just a prominent public figure who has only ceremonial roles. The VC position is instrumental in the path charted by a university. The position has a responsibility to ensure that the university Senate operates as per Parliamentary procedure, to create plans, to have them voted and to execute them, to stand by academic freedom, free speech, scientific methods and knowledge generation. A functional VC is necessary for improvement in the universities teaching and research. Possibly, when such info boxes become large, I may agree that they may need to be moved into their own article, or maybe sooner if there is even presentable information like MSU and UC-Riverside that the presence of VC-box is unsuitable. Right now it is not enough to entertain that path. Discarding it is a loss of information. There is the potential that some student in arts may actually pick such information up and do some study that may catalyses some awareness about this.

If you were looking to delete unnecessary information from the wiki page, the list of faculty, list of departments, list of nothing special buildings. However, the accomplishments of these universities is sometimes so vacuous that if you delete that, there is almost nothing in the article, For a university to have a meaningful article on itself, it must weave a culture around itself. Right now, leadership is necessary to even chart a course towards creating an identity like UC-Riverside or MSU. The article reflects the university not the other-way round. Hgkamath (talk) 11:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree with Gsingh. The articles are about the universities, not about the VCs. A list of VCs is acceptable, and is customary in many university pages. Their CVs are not. I don't agree to your argument above at all. A VC's previous position is relevant to the university only if it has a direct, documented effect. In that case, it should be mentioned in the History section (e.g., if a VC was previously in the field of Biology, and the department of Biology got a big boost in his time, and there is a reliable source connecting the two, it might be appropriate in a discussion of the history). If you want to add something specific and documented about the selection search process, do so in the relevant section (Administration maybe). --Muhandes (talk) 12:54, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The table is a list of VCs. The only extra column in the table, is the position whether that VC came from. It is misdirection to refer to that as biographies or CVs, Perhaps in the case of Manipal they are a bit too verbose, let me cut it down. For now, it is just a List of VCs and thats it. Anyway I am opposed to deletion, but okay with if you find a suitable place to put it. Hgkamath (talk) 15:33, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Without the last information the VC list as you have put it is a just a vainglorious list of names, In the form you you keep, the VC list might as well be removed. With regard to quality of the article work needs to be done elsewhere, The VC table is the least of those articles problems Hgkamath (talk) 15:43, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What we are doing is following precedent and consensus. A list of the top executives (VC in India, President/Chancellor in the US etc.) is very common as part of the history section in university articles or on a history subpage. Personally I prefer the "yellow box" format (see University of Calcutta#History) but other formats also exist such as a clean regular table (e.g. History of Michigan State University#Post-Vietnam War and today) or even a bulleted list (e.g. University of Mumbai#Vice chancellors). In none of these cases I am aware of, does the list include anything but the era. Other important details may be (and very often are) added at the history section itself. If you are worried about loss of information I recommend that you either add relevant sourced information to the history section, or even better, create articles about the VCs (they are likely to be notable). Going against precedent and consensus is usually futile.--Muhandes (talk) 16:46, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just looking to improve the article, if you want to highlight about the vice chancellors why don't you add this information to their relevant articles, I hope we can all work together to make this a good article. Gsingh (talk) 22:33, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Manual of style[edit]

Unrelated to the above, but on the matter of the same edits, you keep adding material against the manual of style. Specifically, please peruse the guidelines on academic credentials (they should not be used) and those on dates (don't use ordinals). Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 13:01, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, credentials can be removed, and ordinals can be fixed. I am aware of the MoS, . Hgkamath (talk) 15:43, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Actions : A review existed from a previous article deletion and notability contest from 2016. Attempted another contest of notability of the article with wikiadmin User:Jimfbleak - talk , collected several informational-links. Soon enough, concurred with wikiadmin that the links did not meet notability threshold required of wikipedia.

Status : Article is deleted. Completed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bareos Hgkamath (talk) 18:44, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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