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Black Horse Brewery

Next time I make this page don't delete it.

BarryBonds800HomeRuns

Hey Isotope23, I just got online not to long ago, posted a reply to you on my talk page, hope you can check it, Thanks, --BarryBonds800HomeRuns 18:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)BarryBonds800HomeRunsBarryBonds800HomeRuns 18:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)--

Minor information

Thanks, that summary had me worried. I'm responding here and will delete your message on my page, since the troll in question will probably just put it back if he knows we've deleted it. I have an active checkuser going on the troll/sock that might yield a useful block - we will see. Acroterion _(talk) 17:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Yep, good call... sorry, I didn't mean to worry you. I'm fully expecting to start getting hit myself as I've been blocking the smelliest of the socks.--Isotope23 ^talk 17:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, maybe ... he wouldn't have found that RFCU without following my edit history. I would note that he hasn't been messing with admins. Acroterion _(talk) 17:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, we are a scary bunch. It's likely more than one person involved here and probably involved dynamic IPs. Still, they can be dealt with.--Isotope23 ^talk 17:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Check User talk:Askans Rike for the latest development. Acroterion _(talk) 18:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Neat. gone now.--Isotope23 ^talk 19:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

In the vein of the above comment: User:Fisher man 123456, fooling around with the RFCU. Acroterion _(talk) 19:30, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I need help

Dear Isotope23, I am new to Wikipedia and need help. I wrote an entry under Gertrude Duby Blom and wanted to change it to an entry for Gertrude Blom-- but messed up and now there are two. Will you help me? I'd like the true entry to be Gertrude Blom. Thank you so much and thanks for the work you do. Vidamasvida 21:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I redirected Gertrude Duby Blom to Gertrude Blom. You can see how I did it in the history for future reference...--Isotope23 ^talk 00:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! I wish Wikipedia instructions were more concise and easier to understand, but I'll learn. Vidamasvida 13:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Now I want to know how to categorize my entry for Gertrude Blom. I've tried reading/finding clear instructions to no avail. If forced to categorize, and if I understand the purpose of it, I'd say her categories were documentary photographer, social anthropologist, and environmental activist. Vidamasvida 20:09, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

NEW QUESTION: On my revision of Casa Na Bolom-- how do I remove the banners at the top that flag the entry as substandard? Do I need to sign my revisions so they are checked? Vidamasvida 20:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

The Return of Anubiz!!!

Psst, it seems that Anubiz came back under the new name of Atomic Religione. He even admits in his user page that he was formerly Entei-Anubis before. Just thought I'd let you know. I still think an eye needs to be kept on him. Nintenboy01 23:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Entei-Anubis was not IP related to Anubiz per checkuser... but I'll monitor the situation.--Isotope23 ^talk 00:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

This is one BIG misunderstanding,I am definately not Anubiz, my IP was proven to be unrelated to Anubiz's, plus I think my grammar is quite proficient while Anubiz's was poor becuase of his disablilty. I have many people that can vouch for me. This is ridiculous. --User:Atomic Religione

If true, then my apologies. Just trying to help keep Wikipedia peaceful and orderly. Nintenboy01 01:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

As I said above, your IP was unrelated per Checkuser User:Atomic Religione... so relax. Nobody is going to block you for being Anubiz. On a side note Anubiz's grammar was just fine when he wasn't pretending to have issues.--Isotope23 ^talk 01:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

That is true, it just sorta insulted me that someone thought I was a sock of some troll. Later. Atomic Religione 02:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Yep, I understand.--Isotope23 ^talk 13:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: HA

Yeah, I guess I had the dubious privilege of being his first target. Lovely chap and so endearingly persistent... IPSOS (talk) 15:08, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I'm sure that your reversion of my talk page was accidental while looking at past incidents, so I've fix it. Be careful! IPSOS (talk) 15:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Interest that you should mention that book. Many years ago, I recommended that book to a friend of mine. He responded by recommending Buckminster Fuller's Synergetics. I went to the bookstore the very next day to pick up a copy. Guess who was there signing copies? I also had the pleasure some years later of having dinner with RAW. Cheers! IPSOS (talk) 15:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Brett Favre

Hey there. I've made my last comment on the Brett Favre talk page for the day (maybe a few days), as this gets to be draining. I made a couple suggestions to Barry about communication there. Good luck, and I hope this process has achieved something. Skybunny 21:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

COPD

Hi,

I'd like to move COPD to Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. There's some support on the talk page, but I'm blocked. Could you do it? Should I be looking into it further? I'm assuming I can't move it 'cause Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease is currently a redirect. WLU 16:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

FQ is shirking her duties... can you imagine that? She's off having fun while I am deleting Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease to make way for COPD which I've now moved (yes... the redirect was why you couldn't do it). Life is so unfair.--Isotope23 ^talk 23:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I knew I learned to read for a reason. I'm moving this over to your talk page to avoid clutter. WLU 04:04, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Question - how d'you think I'm handling T hi s? (that's three pages BTW, incase somehow it's unclear). WLU 04:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the revert was because I thought he was calling me an idiot. 'Twas for my delicate feelings, I figured a big, tough admin like you could handle it. To clarify my follow-up question, I'd like a bit of advice on how to handle the situation on Sole (foot) (following 3 edits - 1 2 3. WLU 12:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Abusive language

Hi, Isotope23.
Recent days, an unregistered user is sending inflammatory messages (politically colored) on my talk page, as well as on some other pages.
Here are his contributions Special:Contributions/24.86.110.10.
On the messages sent on my talkpage, as well as on the talkpage, he sent the messages, in which he "twisted" the usernames mentioned in them, so that e.g. the username of user Mir Harven is "twisted" into Mir Kurven. The new "version" (Kurven) means "whore", in its most insulting meaning, most derrogative, pejorative meaning.
These messages are sent with inflammatory purpose, because these weren't sent directly to the user (whome talkpage belonged), but to some other user that discussed on its talkpage. (e.g., in the message, that IP-user "talks to" user Direktor, not to me).
Here are the links [1] and [2].
Sincerely, Kubura 12:06, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll investigate shortly.--Isotope23 ^talk 13:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't see anything that requires admin action at this time, other than the usual reminder to people that this is en.wikipedia, which stands for English...--Isotope23 ^talk 19:52, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:ANI

This in part involves ignoring last week's ANI resolution. I know you commented there and had been involved with part of the situation prior to that. Just thought you'd like to know. Miss Mondegreen talk  14:23, July 30 2007 (UTC)

Yep, I know. I saw it from the ANI report, which I'm looking into now. Honestly, I don't give a damn who originally made the edit; those links don't belong there.

You mean Dave Matthews? I just saw those edits. I didn't do anything after other editors from the articles got involved. I had a hard enough time just making edits that had ANI consensus--going further than that and actually editing at that point wasn't an option. But that wasn't what I meant in terms of involved. I thought you'd been involved in some part of the whole Tecmo thing before--blocked a sock or something? Miss Mondegreen talk  14:38, July 30 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... sorry I thought you were talking about my recent Dave Matthews edit... my mistake. You were referring to the ANI report. Yeah, I've had some involvement with this situation already, which is why I'm looking at it.--Isotope23 ^talk 14:41, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

illuminati spam

Yeah, it's getting real old. Though maybe that should have be * DOT *illuminati* DOT * (wildcards are your friend). IPSOS (talk) 18:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Isotope, I see you added this one to the local blacklist.^[3] Thanks!

From what I've seen over the last year at meta:Talk:Spam blacklist, someone (like the spammer) is going to come back and request whitelisting or removal in a few months with some story about what a wonderful link it is, etc., etc. It helps if there's some sort of documentation readily available as to why it was blacklisted or else there's a risk it will get removed in the future. I sometimes see that happen with some of the links added in the early days of the meta list before a good logging system was set up.

This is especially important since we now potentially have 1000+ en.wikipedia admins editing this thing, most of whom don't really understand spam mitigation like you and a few others. On Meta, the admins involved all pretty much know what they're doing with the spam blacklist.

There are no procedures yet for how to handle this locally yet. If nothing else, could you leave some brief notes on the blacklist talk page or at WT:WPSPAM for now? They can always be copied to whatever log we end up using in the future.

Thanks, --A. B. ^(talk) 18:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

PS, can I interest you in standing for Meta admin?

Abusive user

Petri Krohn is lately viciously attacking me and accusing me. You can see his accusation on WP:ANI (Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Massive_disruption) and on [[4]]. Additionally to his support to now confirmed vote stacker and sockpuppeteer LAz17 (Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/LAz17) he also seems to be following me around and reverting some of my edits withouth actually knowing anything of the subject. It seems he does it just to revert me. He did it on Dubrovnik where he keeps reverting despite Ragusa not being the official name of the city and despite the various versions of the name presented in the separate section of the article. On Giacomo Micaglia he completely reverted to User:Giovanni Giove version (the user which was blocked for edit warring and refusal for making a compromise on the same article, Marko Marulić and Zadar) disregarding me or Kubura's arguments. Today I noticed he reverted one of my earlier changes on Theories on the origin of Croats where I have removing unscientific rant by one of the anon vandals (you can check the anon's diffs here and I especially point to these changes [5], [6] of the same user). Petri Krohn obviously has something against me though I am still uncertain what that is since I never met him on Wikipedia until the case about the disputed Category I mentioned above. --No.13 08:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

• You have an active ANI report open about this... I'm going to let this one be handled by another admin.--Isotope23 ^talk 13:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Anon user edit warring

Could you also please check this user 217.68.80.50 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log)), he seems to be yet another disruptive user. --No.13 11:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

The venetian speaking people of Albania veneta

I have used the data of the evangelical organization "Joshua Project" only to show that there are 1200 italians in Montenegro, and not a few dozen. And this christian organization is "super partes": it is not ethnically manipulated by italians or serbs. Even the 500 indicated by the forumer Brunodam, who initially wrote the article, are a mistake. But the section about the disappearance of the venetian speaking population of the Albania veneta in the last two centuries has plenty of evidences (see the bibliography): 1)Will Durant in his book The Renaissance (..The dominions of Venice in the Adriatic sea are even related to the relationship of this italian city with the romance speaking populations in Dalmatia..) 2)Matteo Bartoli in his book Le parlate italiane della Venezia Giulia e della Dalmazia.(...These villages looked to Venice even for protection and around them the Venetians started to create their dominions in Dalmatia...) 3)Luigi Paulucci in his book "Le Bocche di Cattaro nel 1810" (..the population of the Albania veneta, during the centuries of the Republic of Venice, was mainly venetian speaking (aproximately 66%) in the urban areas (Cattaro, Perasto, Budua, ecc..) around the "Bocche di Cattaro" (Bay of Kotor).But in the inland areas more than half of the population was serbocroatian speaking, after the first years of the eighteenth century....) 4)Diego De Castro in his book Dalmazia, popolazione e composizione etnica. Cenno storico sul rapporto etnico tra Italiani e Slavi nella Dalmazia. (...in the austrian census of 1910, the italians were reduced to only 13.6% in Cattaro..) 5)The linguist Matteo Bartoli in "Le parlate italiane della Venezia Giulia e della Dalmazia". (...The "disappearance" of the italian speaking populations in Dalmatia was nearly complete after WWII. The linguist Matteo Bartoli calculated that the italians were 33% of the Dalmatian population during the napoleonic wars, while actually there are only 300 italians in the croatian dalmatia and 500 italians in coastal Montenegro....) 6)Scaglioni Marzio in "La presenza italiana in Dalmazia 1866-1943" (...During the nineteenth century, according to the historian Scaglioni Marzio, the wars of independence of Italy from the Austro-Hungarian empire created a situation of harrassment against the italian (or venetian speaking) communities in the austrian southern dalmatia. The result was that in 1880 there were in Cattaro, according to the austrian census, only 930 ethnic italians (or only 32% of a total population of 2910 people)....). Finally, I have read many other voices about ethnical issues in the Balkans and they have a very limited bibliography....not like the one (very extensive) we have here. I agree that most authors are italians, but Will Durant is french and there are even writings from Romanians about this disappearance. L.

• See my response on the article talkpage. It's not a reliable source for any kind of population data.--Isotope23 ^talk 01:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

RFCU

The RFCU has finally borne fruit; I note that we have a few new socks that have fooled with the RFCU and User:Dreaded Walrus who should probably be mopped up. Acroterion _(talk) 02:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Golden Dawn

Don't know if you have Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, Inc. or Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (Rosicrucian Order of A+O) on your watch list, but there's a problematic editor with clear conflict of interest attempting to disrupt them. It wouldn't be so bad if he would simply make the changes he wants, but he insists on reverting to his own month's old versions of the article, even though there are many intermediate improvements. IPSOS (talk) 04:28, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Yup, one of my pet peeves too. Seems there is some interesting history I am about to post to the user's talk page to let him know we are aware of it. IPSOS (talk) 13:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

User IPSOS is, in fact, removing the world-wide status of the HOGD/A+O on the main article and also removing certain, current trademark information from the HOGD/A+O's own article. I helped to build both articles and until IPSOS came and removed trademark information, there were no disputes on these articles.

What does this tell you about conflict of interest. IPSOS, why are you targeting the HOGD/A+O? Are you a member of the HOGD, Inc.?

Frater FiatLux 15:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Titles of articles about orgs

I gather from the talk page of Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn that you are an admin who has become involved. Could you answer a question for me? How should an article about an organization be titled? Frater FiatLux has said that the org referred to by the article Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (Rosicrucian Order of A+O) is actually one of three suborders of a parent organization called "The Rosicrucuan Order of Alpha et Omega". If this is the case, shouldn't the latter be the title of the article? What are the rules about this? Is there a guideline for titles of articles about organizations? If so, where would it be found? GlassFET 18:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I actually just got involved as a regular old editor... There is a guideline somewhere about titles; It's one of the Manual of Style pages if I remember correctly. I'll see if I can find the link. My biggest issue here is that all of the articles other than the main Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn seem to be primarily based on primary sources. No matter what they are called, they run afoul of WP:V.--Isotope23 ^talk 18:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Isotope23 - please notice in the case of the Open Source Order of the Golden Dawn article, that there is a verifiable secondary source in the references: Wicker, Christine (2005). Not In Kansas Anymore - A Curious Tale of How Magic is Transforming America. Harper San Francisco. ISBN 0-06-072678-4. There is a biographical account in that book that verifies the information in the Wiki article. A book on the subject, written by an investigative reporter and published by a major publishing house (Harper San Francisco) certainly qualifies under WP:V guidelines. Thank you. JMax555 14:31, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions should have some advice... hopefully that "liberates your exclusion".--Isotope23 ^talk 18:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I didn't see anything about nested organizations, but common sense dictates the article should be titled after the main org which contains the others. All three orders, First, Second and Third are mentioned in the article, therefore the article is not specifically about the First order and it should be moved. Any advice on whether to keep or leave off "The" at the beginning of the new title? This will also go a long way to fixing the dab link dispute. GlassFET 18:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Sole

Hi I23,

Thanks for your ongoing advice, it is most appreciated. Now what do I do? I'm guessing this'll continue. Am I being a dick? I really think the changes that the anon are bringing to the page are making it worse, and the picture fuglies up the page. Plus, the 3O also agreed that the picture made things worse.

Do I thank the 3O provider? I'm a polite Canadian, but it may seem prejudicial.

Thanks, WLU 20:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. WLU Again. WLU

I left a comment there, I have to agree with Adrian, it's a pointless picture to have in the article. Also, I don't think it is necessarily inappropriate to thank someone for taking the time to render a 3rd opinion regardless of if they agreed or disagreed with you.--Isotope23 ^talk 20:28, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Even a quick survey of the article will indicate that it is not a pointless picture to have in the article. The article has a section on the stigma, in some cultures, of exposing the soles in public, comparing and contrasting this. It therefore makes perfect sense to illustrate this being done in Western culture, and is not illustrated in the main image. I mean, how much clearer doe the argument need to be?

This is not an image that damages the article in any way -- the article is longer than some I've seen which have multiple images, and it could and really should be expanded -- so this whole debate seems to come down to WLU going higher and higher up the chain, to other users or admins friendly to him, to get his way in a debate. (He claims, in seeking admin backup, to be a "polite Canadian," but his user page suggests otherwise.) This episode really does illustrate the clannishness of Wikipedia and the prejudice against anonymous posters, who may not have the time or inclination to sit on wikipedia all day long to post dozens of edits and get involved in all the little power moves the users sometimes almost seem to enjoy. Admins and other users will almost invariably side with the user, even when that on its face does not make a great deal of sense, as here. 216.83.83.166 15:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with "clannishness" (in fact my initial contact with WLU was to contest his addition of an image so your characterization is a bit off here) nor the fact that you are an IP editor; register an account and the image will still be pointless and redundant with the other image (which I might add is also of the soles of the feet). Sorry, find a more coherent argument or follow the steps of dispute resolution. That image adds nothing to the article.--Isotope23 ^talk 16:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments? Suggestions? At this point I thin anon is being unreasonable and ignoring policy, but I'm much less inclined to AGF after weeks of this. Any suggestions for this incident in particular, or in case of future similar ones? WLU 20:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Interesting... I was just editing the article. At this point it would appear the editor is ignoring consensus against them.--Isotope23 ^talk 20:29, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

What can I say, I stalk my own watchlist. What would be the next step, assuming the anon continues to ignore consensus? I'm finding the process and your advice to be a good way of enhancing my assumptions of good faith and reducing my conflicts with other editors, so thanks for that. I'd agree that to a certain extent I do hand out warnings pretty freely and this is expanding my options in that regard. Here is my comment on anon's talk page. WLU 20:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: courtesy

Thanks for the heads up. Hmm, some days are like this, apparently. I've posted a reply. So far the user has not supplied anything that substantiates his apparently sectarian claim. He keeps referring to a forum post which requires log in which is probably his own. In these cases, I always wonder what part of "veriability not truth" the other editor doesn't understand. GlassFET 20:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Review of changes to Rosicrucian Order of Alpha et Omega

Would you be willing to review the changes I've made to Rosicrucian Order of Alpha et Omega. I think I have removed only the most contentious and self-serving of the claims based only on self-published sources. I've also made sure that the full name of the org is mentioned, as Alpha et Omega is something completely different. I'm not sure whether the confusion between the two names in the article was intentional to imply continuity or accidental and simply intended to save typing. Anyway, if you could take a look and give your opinion I'd greatly appreciate it. GlassFET 20:35, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I can take a look.--Isotope23 ^talk 20:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and I'm completely at a loss what to do about all the uses of "Ibid." in the references. Some I guess I could take a stab at fixing as they are linked, but the others only the original editor would be sure what they were intended to refer to... GlassFET 20:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, to me the sourcing is problem #1. It's an utter mess.--Isotope23 ^talk 20:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow! that ref cleanup was impressive. I'd never have been able to do it so quickly! GlassFET 20:58, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

It still needs non-primary sourcing and a better indication of how those references were used, but it is moving in the right direction. Eh, I've gotten pretty good at ref set up recently. I still need to go through and do {{cite web}}, but I'll get to that tomorrow.--Isotope23 ^talk 21:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I just can't believe what was done to the article after I left for the day yesterday. And that title! I'm beginning to believe it should simple be nominated for deletion.

Oh, and I was doing a Google search on "Frater FiatLux" to see if I could determine whether he is a member of one of the orders. I didn't find anything to tie him to any of the Orders, but I did find this: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Frater FiatLux. Seems this is not the first time he's been involved in such extremely contentious editing. GlassFET 15:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Somehow, I'm not surprised.--Isotope23 ^talk 16:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

About User_talk:Quantumleap#WP:TALK

I demand you to accept my more sincere excuses, though I was answering to a user who also is a Administrator in es:wikipedia. Sorry! Quantumleap ^{(What's up Doc?)} 10:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Redirect

Actually, I'm sure there are more out there. But due to the fact User:Frater FiatLux doesn't fix them after his moves, they are pointing at air. GlassFET 21:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Question

I like it how to this day you conduct regular maintenance on the article Um Bongo, you really are very strict aren't you? Any particular reason for this? Perhaps compensating for lack of respect from peers or lacking any important position of responsibility in the "real world". Any reason for this? Aarandir 21:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

As I said before, we are trying to build an encyclopedia here. If you want to enter jokes into articles, Uncyclopedia would likely welcome your additions. Other than that, all I'll say is that you are free to continue to speculate about my motives as you wish; I actually find it quite a bit funnier than your Um Bongo joke.--Isotope23 ^talk 13:31, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

A second coming

FYI Mr. Isotope,

With Todd Sucherman playing all drums on "Whispers Of Wisdom"

Matt Walker plays all drums on "Shoot From The Hip"

http://www.theorchard.com/dist/artistPage.php?artist_id=57284&moreinfo=yes

Two albums released by "The Lee Nysted Experience" and a third to start in the fall of 2007 12.173.179.75 04:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

...well, maybe this third album will finally meet WP:MUSIC, though from what I remember Lee expressed a desire to have no involvement or mention at Wikipedia at all when he left quietly.--Isotope23 ^talk 13:19, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

"A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria:"

We read, we listen, and therefore, he is. 12.173.179.75 14:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

...And as has been exhaustively covered at article talkpages as well as on my own talkpage, the artist meets none of those criteria... sorry, but I'm not in any way interested in rehashing an old argument. Got some new evidence? Post it. Otherwise, I have nothing more to say on this.--Isotope23 ^talk 14:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

#5 and #6 by definition = a yes. One is enough. You know it. That is that. Thank you. 12.173.179.75 14:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

He doesn't meet 5... The Orchard is his distributor from all the evidence I've seen, not his label. I don't think he reasonably meets 6 either, but we've been over this before. Regardless, I'm not exactly sure what the purpose of posting this here on my talkpage is. If you think he's notable, request unprotection of the salted band pages. Ask the community to reconsider his block. Posting here isn't going to have much real world effect.--Isotope23 ^talk 15:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orchard_%28music_label%29

In the final analysis, you are wrong and you were wrong before. Lee will have very little or nothing to say in all of this. Just as before, your assumptions are not correct. One of us here at the college may just right the wrong here. The world does not require you or Lee to give approval for me or any fan to write about Lee's works. I have written about musicians for years and I will do the right thing. You did not do the right thing. Why? I do not know. Bye.12.173.179.75 16:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Is that your whole point, just to come here to tell me I'm wrong and confirm that Lee has no interest in what happens here? That is so precious. I'm almost touched that you care enough about what I think to keep returning here every few months to pick this disagreement back up...

You are right, you don't need my approval to do anything, though I'd suggest you come up with more compelling arguments if you plan on creating articles about Lee's projects; the lines of reasoning you've pursued every time you've contacted me about this likely won't stand up if the article(s) you create are nominated for deletion. Find good, concrete, 3rd party sources that have covered his music. Find a reliable source that The Orchard is his label, not merely his online distributor (and/or that The Orchard would actually constitute a major indie label per WP:MUSIC. Otherwise you will just be creating articles that someone is going to tag for deletion at some point.--Isotope23 ^talk 16:31, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Zadar

RfC wouldn't be able to do anything, I'd filed one a couple of weeks ago, and it went straight into a wall. 3O probably won't work, as the dispute is between about half a dozen editors. If the involved parties agree, I'd like to take this to mediation to sort it out, as to follow WP:DR process. Frankly, I believe it's the only way to resolve the ethnic debate without resorting to arbitration. I'll ask Daniel about this, but if you have another better suggestion, it'll be welcome. Cheers. --Dark Falls ^talk 10:07, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

That's unfortunate... I didn't realize an RFC already happened. Yeah, I agree that Mediation is the next step. There are multiple editors on multiple articles pushing several POVs... it needs to stop. This is probably the most FUBAR'd content dispute situation I've seen on Wikipedia.--Isotope23 ^talk 13:21, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Starwars1955

I am not pleased with the way the discussion of lifting his ban went. My comments went ignored. I want to know why you ignored them. –King Bee ^{(τ • γ)} 11:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I didn't ignore them... I read them. Based on past experience I've found it isn't always productive to leave a rebuttal on every comment in a discussion that is opposite my opinion; I usually only comment if I see flaws with the reasoning, if there are fallacies, or to defend my own position. In this case, you have concerns about the unblock, you have stated them, and I was content to let those concerns stand so other editors weighing in could take them into consideration. By the way, the discussion is still ongoing... it just got archived by Mizrabot because nobody commented in a few days. It has not been "closed" yet, so I pulled it back to the main page.--Isotope23 ^talk 13:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pulling it from the archives. I guess I don't really care anymore (as no one else in the community seems to), so just lift the block as you please. –King Bee ^{(τ • γ)} 13:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion about Golden Dawn articles

I'm thinking that rather than having that complicated disambig at the top of Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, perhaps we should list all the modern orders on the Golden Dawn disambiguation page, as subitems of the original order. Then a simple For related orders, see Golden Dawn dab could be put at the top of all the G.D. articles. We might even consider removing the modern orders section from the main article along with all the external links there. That could help end some parts of the dispute. IPSOS (talk) 15:41, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, that would be a better solution.--Isotope23 ^talk 15:56, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I started. I'm a bit uncertain about how to proceed, so I only included the Orders which have "Golden Dawn" in their name (or Outer Order's name). I do know that the historical Stella Matutina and Alpha et Omega are very frequently mis-referred to as the "Golden Dawn", but not sure how to integrate that into the disambiguation page. I'm also not sure what to do with the modern groups that don't have "Golden Dawn" in their names, b/c I am unsure whether they are also commonly referred to as "Golden Dawn" or not. Might be a reason to leave the Contemporary Orders section in the HOGD article. IPSOS (talk) 22:55, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion, please

Based on the discussion here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Prohibit_Onions do you believe my actions were improper? -- Avi 18:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

More on the Golden Dawn and potential liability

I just found this page http://www.golden-dawn.com/temple/index.jsp?s=events&p=rebuttal on the A+O site. It's so potentially defamatory that I don't even want to link to it. I know that Wikipedia policy would prohibit linking to this page. But I am uncertain as to whether it would completely prohibit linking to any page on the site. Does it? If so, there would seem to be no usable basis for most of the content of the article. Please let me know what you think. IPSOS (talk) 20:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, we don't link to sites that attack Wikipedia contributors for their actions here, but I'm not aware of any guideline that explicitly prohibits linking to anything on a website because it contains an attack page against someone else somewhere on that site. That said, I'm also not aware of a situation exactly like this arising before... Might be worth garnering further input at WP:AN.

I was aware that many of these GD orgs didn't exactly see eye to eye on tradition and succession, but I didn't realize just how down and dirty the fight was. It kind of put the edit warring, tendentiousness, and wild accusations of bias into perspective.--Isotope23 ^talk 20:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that one surprised me too. I expect people to talk sh*t on mailing lists and forums, but its another thing to post attack pages on the official site of an Order. Disgusting, IMO. (P.S. I added a missing bracket in your comment, hope you don't mind). IPSOS (talk) 22:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Meatspin

Hiho. I see you deleted the article Meatspin because shock site made no mention of the topic. However, it was kept at a previous RfD, something you may not have been aware of. Would you perhaps restore the redirect, and renominate it for RfD if you think that it should be deleted? Thanks in advance! Melsaran (formerly Salaskаn) 23:17, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I originally deleted it as what I figured would be an uncontentious deletion of a redirect to an article that has no mention of the subject (and won't per sourcing)... since you've asked for a restore I'm guessing this isn't 100% uncontentious. When I get around to it I will be PROD'ing all of those. No reason to keep around redirs to articles that don't/won't cover the topic; that is just confusing.--Isotope23 ^talk 16:46, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Golden Dawn

Let me bring you up to date. Kephera975 lost patience with the discussion process and simply nominated everything related for deletion. IPSOS (talk) 16:58, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the update... I'll take a look shortly.--Isotope23 ^talk 17:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Fuck.org

was apparently kept at RFD, so I can't see nominating as a PROD. You could nominated it again, I suppose. DGG (talk) 21:15, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Syndicated Network Television Association (SNTA)

Hi, you recently moved my article to a section where no one else can access or edit it. For future reference, how exactly would I do that? Also, I would like now to re-activate the page so it is visible to all. How would I go about doing that? Thanks! SyndicatedNetwork 17:21, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. I'll try to address all those issues before moving the article back on the main site. SyndicatedNetwork 17:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok...I think the article should be good now. There are only 2 links to the site, and one of them is under the thumbnail image. When you get a chance please take a look and let me know if it's ready for the main page. I didn't find a "move" tab anywhere, so if you could tell me how to move it when it is ready, I'd appreciate it. Also, if you could add "(SNTA)" to the end of the main title I would appreciate it. Thanks again!

Thought I would copy you on my latest message to Ed...- SNTA does not sell shows to advertisers. Through their own and secondary research, they speak to advertising agencies and their clients about the virtues and benefits of syndication. - Yes, they are a trade group. - They do not employ salesmen. However, members are involved in going out and speaking to agencies and their clients. - At present time, there is only one link in the article to the SNTA website. The rest have all been removed. - SNTA is not a corporation, but a not-for-profit organization with 7 employees. - You said you wanted links to the members. Do you want links to their Wikipedia pages, or direct links to their own sites? Below are some third-party sources that all mention SNTA and the research it has done. http://publications.mediapost.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.san&s=61446&Nid=31047&p=363629 (2nd paragraph) http://www.medialifemagazine.com/ml/ac/ns072607.asp (5th paragraph down) http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6444792.html (popular trade magazine for those interested in syndication) Thanks!

• Give me a bit of time to read through the links and I'll have an answer for you shortly.--Isotope23 ^talk 13:50, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Patriotic Republican

Any idea when I will be able to edit? Or is the fact that I am able to leave you this message the proof? I'll check ASAP. Thanks. Patriotic Republican 18:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes I am OK now. I just never got a message on my talk page. Patriotic Republican 18:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing the autoblock lifted or expired since you are editing here.--Isotope23 ^talk 18:20, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Re Chocolate Rain

Comparatively, I do too- someone showed me the video not six hours ago for the first time I've seen it. And until today, I had no idea that it had been protected and redeleted. Avoiding wwars is always a good show... David Fuchs ^(talk) 18:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Adminship

When Snowolf made his offer, I hemmed and hawed about it for a while, but then I finally said I'd go through with it. He never submitted the RFA, though, so I haven't pressed the issue. I started working on the questions at User:Elkman/RFA and realized that the block on my record, following a rather frustrated self-report to WP:AIV, would probably become an issue. That was all several months ago, but I'm still hesitant about doing a self-nom. On the other hand, many people might overlook it, so I'm still considering an RFA. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 19:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the notification

thanks for letting me know about the discussion going on about me. its certainly much easier than searching through wikipedia and stumbling across my name in all sorts of odd places. it would be much easier if the discussion could remain in one place.

thanks again!! RodentofDeath 20:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

A troll you reverted

Hello Isotope23, you reverted a user called Roossaa. I'd like a second opinion on this, but I think someone should block that user. Their username is extremely similar to a blocked sockpuppet called "Roosaa" and a good user called Roosa. Also, "Roossaa", like "Roosaa", has attacked Phaedriel in their edits. Thoughts? Acalamari 21:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I wasn't aware of that. I indef'd the account for username similarity. Given the edit and they way they honed in on a joke subpage in the userspace it is most likely a throw-away attack account anyway.--Isotope23 ^talk 00:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks; I've tagged it as a "suspected" sockpuppet; I am sure it is a sock, judging by it's edit, but it's suspected all the same. I blocked two confirmed socks yesterday. Acalamari 01:35, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Never mind; Miranda changed it to confirmed. Acalamari 01:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

List of Ministers of the Universal Life Church

Normally I'd leave one of those tags about blanking a page, but I'm going to try to be nice. :-) The people you removed are all referenced as Ministers in their individual articles. GreenJoe 01:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I responded at the article talkpage.--Isotope23 ^talk 02:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Zingostar

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. You don't happen to know what his Swedish username is, do you? Thanks, ΚαροτΜαν 11:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Not off the top of my head, no. Sorry.--Isotope23 ^talk 13:10, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

RodentofDeath Attacks Against Me

thankYou for investigating these continuig attacks against me. Firstm this is not something that has gone on for a few days, but in fact these attacks have been continuing all year, ive suffered several months of extreme constant abuse here and alomost nothng has been done to stop this. This abuse continues unabated with still nothing being done to stop this. RodentofDeath labels me a lunitic, pedophille and prostitiute and barley anyone says a word, except maybe to tell him it was unhelpfull. He has labelled me a pedophile and prostitute hundreds and hundreds of times and still continues to do so, placing it as many times as ge can right across Wikipedia because he knows it stays there for ever and ever. In a previous WP:ANI report about User:RodentofDeath he had labelled me a pedophile, prostitute, kidnapper, and named my street address and gave details on my friends. the page was deleted by administrators, but he still continued. on the current administrators talk on this which you are monitering, he has posted, prostitute. i only say this because it is true. she was born and raised in a brothel in a town filled with pedophiles and child prostitutes, i may have said some of things you say are idiotic and i stand by that statement, i did call you a lunatic, i do recall calling the priest you associate with a pedophile, you were born and raised in a brothel on fields that is still there,

Now lets go to his current discussion page, one whining bitch, susanbryce is a complete nut case, she is actually a lunatic, check her medical history. check her personal page. she is a former prostitute (i am guessing at the "former" part, actually) with serious delusions,

This is just a state, ill keep updating his vile attacks against me.~!Susanbryce

• diffs would be helpful... I've seen the stuff on WP:ANI (and I'm considering that) but diffs of the other stuff would be helpful too.--Isotope23 ^talk 18:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Heres the link to the previous post that was reported. In it he has directly linked me for public knowledge as to who I am.http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:RodentofDeath&diff=134536369&oldid=134535086. In it he has accused me of trying to kidnapp a child, he accusses me of being involved in the criminal activity of extortion, he labels my friends pedophiles, he goes on to state....I later found out the crazy woman was a pedophile, a prostitute, a compulsive liar and severely prone to wild delusions and paranoia. He has identified me through this post, he placed my life, the life of my friends and the life of my daughter in danger.Susanbryce 18:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

• Well the problem with that is that he doesn't actually identify you by name there. I mean, you might know he was intending that to refer to you and he may have written that with the idea that you would know he was talking about you, but someone merely happening upon that page would have no idea what the hell he was talking about. I need some time to review edit histories and sort this all out. --Isotope23 ^talk 18:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

i am not referring to you, unless of course you are a pedophile, a prostitute, a compulsive liar and severely prone to wild delusions and paranoia. is that what your argument is here? RodentofDeath 16:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Everyone in Angeles would know that. Everyone knows both the priest and politition he is referring to, and the point here is, it goes on and on and on. its been going on there months here. He operates with total immunity. He also users ip farmimng such as this....Susan fuck off you lunatic psycho bitch, no wonder you get threats in the emails, you deserve it.

Its also interesting that death threats arrive in my emails almost around the exact time he has posted on wikipedia.Susanbryce 19:10, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

death threat emails are not anything that wikipedia admins can deal with. You'll want to talk to your ISP or local law enforcement authorities about that.--Isotope23 ^talk 19:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

if they arrive at the exact time i am editing wikipedia then wouldnt that prove its NOT me? how could i be writing two things at the same time? anyway, as i suggested before and as isotope23 has now suggested, you should be contacting the authorities. since i dont have and dont want your email address and therefore have obviously never sent you an email i have nothing to worry about. meanwhile i am getting a little tired of being accused of things i didnt do. RodentofDeath 16:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Here are just only a few ip farming attacks on me, i guess it could take me weeks to go through the hundreds of violent attaks made against me. Notice the writing style here is Exactly the same as RodentofDeath, such as the constant use of the word prostitute, delusional, etc.... Susan is a known liar has worked as a prostitute for years and is currently wanted by interpol, for child trafficking. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Susanbryce&diff=141032472&oldid=141032227

Susan is Known liar, she has been arrested several times for shoplifting, and is wanted in the USA by the FBI. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Susanbryce&diff=141032197&oldid=140779095

Susan Bryce is a delusion Liar. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Susanbryce&diff=135319441&oldid=134622830

Susan Bryce give it up, nobody believes your bull crap..............except your lying lesbian friends. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Susanbryce&diff=133585137&oldid=133584267

Susan Bryce was once a Man, then she got an operation , started wearing heels and then, well that explains many of her sad mannerisms and quirks. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Susanbryce&diff=133584244&oldid=133584045

Susan is One of these radical feminists, who lies all the times http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Susanbryce&diff=133583896&oldid=133583672

Susan Bryce Was In a Mental Hospital for Many years. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Susanbryce&diff=133583317&oldid=133582757

Susan Bryce Former Life as a Prostitute. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Susanbryce&diff=133582719&oldid=133582055

Susan Bryce the Lying Lesbian. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Susanbryce&diff=133581910&oldid=133581862

On a side note here, can you kindly tell me where is Wikipedias policy on violence to women editors here on wikipedia? If wikipedia does not have a policy, can you please tell me where i can go to discuss this, or where i can start a discussion on formulating a policy on Wikipedia to put an end to violent attacks on women here such as what is still continuing against me by RodentofDeath. Kind Regards.Susanbryce 17:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

There is no such policy... likely because it is rather difficult to be violent to someone over the computer. There is a no personal attacks policy which applies to everyone, male, female, or otherwise. You could try asking at village pump if you are interested in policy discussions. I will be taking a look at the diffs you posted above.--Isotope23 ^talk 18:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

please have a look at susanbryce's recent edits on Human_trafficking_in_Angeles_City when you get a chance. here is the diffs http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Human_trafficking_in_Angeles_City&diff=150462180&oldid=150455498 . hope thats what you need. thanks.RodentofDeath 21:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

IP's at Kashmiri people & Khatri

The same IP had been blocked before for vandalism at Khatri, which was sprotected as a result. IP vandalism from a different address has recurred at Khatri so I sprotected it as well, and updated status at ANI. Carlossuarez46 19:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

• By the way, I think your header is the best in class. And you know what the sincerest form of flattery is...so I stole the idea for my own page but changed the color. :-) Carlossuarez46 19:04, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:H

GO AWAY!!! --Defender 911 (Leave a message!) 19:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Er...OK.--Isotope23 ^talk 20:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Civility

I hope you read and comment on my response. [7] KarenAER 20:33, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok. So you'll isolate my "incivility" while not making any comment about others. Thx for your advice...KarenAER 20:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Budtard unblocked

Hello. You seem to be away but FYI: I've unblocked Budtard (talk · contribs) as I am willing to give him a second chance. I'll keep an eye out for him though. Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 09:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

"Brian Garry" Article

I'm just looking for some input and some help on getting the "Brian Garry" article back up. I noticed that there wasn't much info on the Cincinnati City Council, so I thought I'd start my contributions by writing on some of the more notable people in and running for the office. It's my first article, but I felt pretty safe starting with Brian Garry because he was pretty well covered by the Cincinnati press and he was mentioned in another wikipedia article. I've found more sources mentioned on him and was going to put them up when I noticed you deleted it. So, I'd like a little advice before I attempt any other articles on city council and would like to have the article's deletion reversed or delayed so that I made add more info to establish notoriety.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamartin25 (talk • contribs)

Mentoring?

Hi Isotope, I have very much appreciated your comments on the Sole (foot) page, and I've ended up in another conflict situation on Objectivism (Ayn Rand). Would you mind giving me your opinion on how I'm handling it? From here down, feel free to just skim my comments. The only thing I'm looking for feedback on is how I'm handling the dispute itself, for civility, AGF and similar stuff. The RFC should take care of the content dispute, and if they decide I don't have a point, it ends there for me. WLU 14:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

It seems like a fairly civil debate. I mean you all seem to have a difference of opinion and seem to feel strongly in your points, but I don't see personal attacks or anything of that nature. As long as you are not going to tilt at windmills if consensus is against you, you should be fine.

Ayn Rand eh? It's funny because I always wanted to like her work... but I always found her writing to be excruciatingly tedious... second only to Hemingway (who I tried reading because Bukowski cited him as an influence)... but I digress.--Isotope23 ^talk 15:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Have you read The Fountainhead? I read both TF and Atlas Shrugged, and found the Fountainhead to be much more readable (actually read it twice and enjoyed it both times). Or there's always Terry Goodkind, though his writing is even more excruciating. Oh, despite what you may think, it's not fantasy. Just ignore the dragon, it's about important human themes. Ultimately, Rand's philosophy doesn't stand up to reality in my mind, and for some reason tends to produce followers who I've always found zealotous and rigid (not a comment on those I'm currently talking to - I have no idea if they idenify as Objectivists, and though the disagreement is indeed hard-fought it's remaining civil). WLU 15:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I read half of The Fountainhead... I gave up in the second section of the book. The first part was bareable, but I guess I just don't find architects all that interesting. I tried to read Atlas Shrugged but I only got about 30 pages in before I took it back to the Library and started reading the Warren Commission Report; which was actually more interesting. I've never heard of Goodkind, though it might be worth checking out. I have really enjoyed George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series because as far as fantasy goes it is also light on the magic aspect and focuses more on character development as well as bold writing and plot choices by the author. Of course if you are looking for a challenge you could always read Finnegan's Wake.--Isotope23 ^talk 15:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Speaking as a former architecture student, Ayn Rand has a lot to answer for. Around second year, you'd see 50% of the class carrying around a brick-sized paperback and speaking in increasingly grandiose terms. Some never get over it. I thought it was better to do the work than read about it, and as you've discovered, architecture isn't a medium that translates into prose very well. We're subject to building and zoning codes, budgets, programmatic restraints, client expectations, material limitations, constructability and the need to keep the work coming in so we and our employees get paid. Howard Roark never seemed to be subject to those mundane problems. Acroterion _(talk) 18:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Ha ha ha, that is the funniest thing I've read in a while... I've often wondered if as many young minds were wrongly turned to architecture by Roark as by George Costanza. Seriously though, I've always considered the process of architecture dry. Yeah, I love looking at a well designed Queen Anne, but actually sitting down to design it, determine cost and materials, pull permits... not the stuff of epic legend... though working with AutoCAD is kind of fun.--Isotope23 ^talk 18:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

George Costanza didn't ever want to be an architect - he wanted to pretend to be one, which was a very sensible approach, because it can be very dry, especially if you're designing nothing but a steady diet of burger stands or Home Depots. Happily, I'm not - I got to redesign my old high school and watch the crews tear the guts out of the building with skid loaders (that article needs a picture!). You just don't get many opportunities like that in life. The key skill is the ability to envision things in three dimensions and to understand how to translate that vision into a two-dimensional set of documents and specifications. While we use AutoCAD 2008 in two dimensions right now, we're beginning to move to Revit, which is a fully three-dimensional parametric system. Acroterion _(talk) 19:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah I have not seen Revit yet, though I imagine it will be a while before I do. I wanted to be an architect (or perhaps pretended I wanted to) for a while before I read the Fountainhead. In retrospect it would have been an absolute thrill ride compared to what I ended up doing with my life.--Isotope23 ^talk 19:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

If you want to feel better, you can add shocking levels of personal liability to the list of things that never afflicted Howard Roark (apparently the Little People have no business suing an Objectivist), and the remote possibility of disaster [8] [9]. The word "thrilling" doesn't get used in a profession where project length runs in units of years. Acroterion _(talk) 21:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Trust me... you don't know what tedium I fill my day with.--Isotope23 ^talk 21:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

To be fair, Howard Roark had such awesum skilz that his structures would never collapse. He was a superman; from my memories of the book, he actively ignored things like planning permission 'cause he was too busy catching red-hot rivets. The nice thing about fictional reality is the ability to permutate physical laws.

Stop using wikipedia as a social networking site! Bad admin! WLU 21:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Be sure to report me at WP:ANI!--Isotope23 ^talk 22:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Consider this your warning - next time I'll use {{uw-chat2}}. WLU 16:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Abuse and Remedy

See DAB's threat on my talk page which says I will lose if I opt for arbitration (against his abuses and reverts), and see my previous complaints in talk page of Moreschi (and Abecedare), and Moreschi's unsympathetuc answer yesternight that no Wikipedian will sympathise with me. I did not know issuing legal warning is illegal and illegal abuses is legal in Wiki, because I joined just one month ago. But it does not mean I am one month old, students guided by me decades ago are heads of departments and I am now "insane, silly, crackpot, &c" according to DAB. I have no intention of going to court, but DAB is making it impossible for me to work. Look at the first para of Rgveda, there was a wrong reference to Max Muller which I corrected, but DAB removed the whole thing just because I touched it. My action was perfect, but DAB has asked me many a times to leave Wiki and start my own web site ! Why he behaves like so ? What should I do ? I had issued the legal warning to draw attention of others, but no one is asking him to observe WP:CIVIL and not to remove well sourced contributions. -Vinay Jha 21:56, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Do you perhaps have diffs of DAB's comments to you?--Isotope23 ^talk 13:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Anthony Lee Wischerth

I fully understand the deletion due to lack of relevence, although i would like a response to this.

I will be postting a more in depth article on this man he has changed my life with his discoveries and his material is to be questioned and reviewed as all others in the same area. If i indeed create the full article and bio with full relevence and not at all nonscence what is to become of it

Direktor and Albania Veneta

Hi, Isotope23. I see that the last posts on "Albania Veneta" was agreed by you, me, Gustav von Humpelschmumpel and others. But now it seems that Direktor is back erasing everything he does not like (as he has done with other articles, like Zadar). Can you do something with him and his "revert" on the Albania Veneta? Regards. --Brunodam 15:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't actually "agree" to either of the versions... I just made changes to the existing version I found. I strongly suggest a User RFC here because the whole situation with these Dalmatia related articles is getting really ridiculous.--Isotope23 ^talk 15:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree, Isotope23, it is getting comical, but apparently neither of the parties involved can back down. For instance, I cannot allow these people to push their POV by adding biased Italian historians as legitamate sources. As I have stated numerous times, all anyone has to do is use unbiased sources (non-Italian, non-Yugoslav) and we might get somewhere. I can find you a dozen Croatian historians making equally radical claims, neither they nor their Italian counterparts are obviously reliable sources. We must search for higher ground. (If everyone believed what these guys wrote Montenegro would be considered rightfully Italian by historical right, a truly amusing notion.) DIREKTOR 16:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

OK. I see that Isotope23 has NEVER reverted anything of Direktor. That is strange....Direktor cancels the requested data from Isotope23 and he doesn't react....strange, but...OK! From now on, all my writings are going to be directed only to Jimbo (and others of his staff). I am disgusted by all this harassments against we Italians.--Brunodam 22:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Great... then maybe you'll both stop using this page to fish for administrative action against each other. As I stated above, I have no desire to get in the middle of your edit war on Dalmatia related articles. I've protected pages in the past and that obviously didn't do any good. File an RFC... or don't. Personally I'm getting a bit tired of this constant POV nationalistic edit warring from both sides of this dispute.--Isotope23 ^talk 00:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

When did I presume to bother you with this incessant conflict? I merely reacted to slandering posted here by Italians. Believe me, I can see very clearly how this thing may appear not only extremely tedious, but quite irrelevant to anyone not involved "personally", so to speak. Looks like "Jimbo and others of his staff" are about to take their turn. I don't think these guys are gonna stop until they can nag someone into backing them...DIREKTOR 00:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree to "stop using this page". But I don't know (reading the above post} if Direktor will stop (and will stop bothering even my page and others' page...)! Real fanatics never stop...Regards--Brunodam 01:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Theft...

it never pays. I am so sorry. I thought I had fixed all the links. I'll reply to those folks. However, I did manage to get my page vandalized a few times for deleting things, so not everyone followed it. Sorry again - see what being nice gets you? ;-) Carlossuarez46 16:41, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

What's baffling to me is that there is no link at the word "talkpage" so how are people following it? Carlossuarez46 17:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Now I see, that there used to be one before you fixed it. Thanks and sorry again. Carlossuarez46 17:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Eleemosynary block of 1 month

Hi Isotope, I've been following the RfA. . .I was just wondering if there was other evidence that Eleemosynary and vectorsector (on Digg) were the same person? I've looked at vectorsector's profile (created yesterday on Digg, the same as another profile in the comments section of the linked article) and realize that the name given is Eleemosynary, but just wanted to make sure that there was other more conclusive proof, as that in and of itself is not definitive. I don't need to know the nature of any other evidence, just that it's there or in the alternative what is it about the obvious evidence that I'm missing? Thanks, R. Baley 17:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)