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Hi, just dropping by to say thanks for supporting my RfA, I totally wasn't expecting to get so much support, it was a really pleasant surprise. Melesse (talk) 04:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

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AfD nomination of Internet Superstar

Well, I am sorry that you feel that way. I guess I don't really know what you are basing that decision on though. Yes, there has indeed only been one episode. But this is not a low budget, done in some kids basement, videocast. Revision3 Corporation is a legitimate company, with a professional recording studio at there headquarters in San Francisco, that have been around since spring of 2005. They have been making multiple shows since that time. Here is a little reading for you: Business Wire article about Revision3 2007 numbers Now, if there was a wikipedia entry for a television show after one episode, would you have a problem with that? What about a TV show that was canceled after a few weeks, would it be worthy? I can think of quite a few quickly canceled shows that do have entries. Again, not a one-off podcast by some kid. This is a IPTV corporation with major funding with an established audience with many views/downloads. By the way, I did have some third party references, and just added another one.Jeepin22 (talk) 02:48, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello there, thanks for taking the AfD nomination so calmly! The last reference you added looks good to me, and if it had been there in the beginning I wouldn't have nominated the article to AfD. Seeing as no-one else has added anything to the AfD discussion since I nominated, I've taken it on myself to close the AfD and remove the tag from the article.
I still stand by the original nomination: although the originating company may be notable, I don't see that it follows that everything they produce is instantly and automatically notable (which I agree would be the case for a network TV station.) The third party references that were originally in the article weren't sufficiently reliable, IMO, but the TV Week article certainly was. Again, sorry to have AfD'd an established editor, but at least the end result is the article stays, with a better set of references. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 07:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject coordinator elections

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RWY on hold

Hi, okie-dokie, sorry for taking so long on finishing this review. Anyway, the article is in good-shape, but I noticed a few minor issues which are on the talk page. Also, feel free to let me know if there's any questions, etc. Good work :) Lazulilasher (talk) 18:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Harrold the Flying Sheep

hi! i have added my references and have made some comments on the talk page for this article [[1]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harroldsheep (talk • contribs) 10:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

RFA thanks

Re:Admin Bit

Hi Kim, and apologies for my tardiness in replying. Basically, I see no issues at all with you running round about now. There is nothing you need to do, that you have not already done IMHO. Getting the technical creation/transclusion bit is all you need to consider, and I would imagine you should be comfortable with that anyway - there's nothing else I can see other than reviewing the admin's reading list. If you want to procede hit me up and I'll be pleased delighted to prepare the RfA and nominate. My access tomorrow (Monday) will be sporadic but I will be available, as well as all day Tuesday Pedro :  Chat  21:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

OK Pedro, go for it. No great rush, just whenever you're ready. I don't edit from work but will transclude when I'm on from home. Have looked at the process and seems straightforward enough. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 21:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Leave it with me! Pedro :  Chat  21:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Kim Dent-Brown Is alive and kicking .......... :) Pedro :  Chat  21:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Formal Notification !

Pedro would like to nominate you to become an administrator. Please visit Wikipedia:Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Pedro to accept or decline the nomination. A page will be or has been created for your nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Kim Dent-Brown . If you accept the nomination, you must formally state and sign your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.

Thanks for your confidence Pedro. I'll fill out and transclude this later tonight. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 22:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I lobbed in my support in case I've gone to bed (nominators can support pre-transclusion IMHO!!) Pedro :  Chat  22:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
[2] However, I may, if they are clearly out of line. If they are legitimate opposes however I will not "badger" them - that's unseemlyand poor practice. I really can't see why you should have any however, but hey-ho!- I'm biased and that's RFA ! Pedro :  Chat  23:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD from last month

You must have been searching for ages for that link...! Watch my editing for the next couple of minutes, hopefully it may make you like Wikipedia even more. And, no fair, Pedro always gets the best. :( *laughs* Regards, Rudget. 12:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

'tis no problem. Rudget. 13:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
One last thing, do you want me to close this SSP case? Rudget. 13:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
If you're convinced, then yes please do! Seemed pretty incompetently done to me, even down to similarities in user names! Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 13:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 Done Rudget. 13:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Why thank you - since you're so quick with the mop, I have a kitchen floor at home that needs some attention... Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 13:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Royal Wiltshire Yeomanry

Hi Kim, I am just here to notify you that your hard work on RWY has not gone unnoticed. The article has passed all criteria. Congratulations for your hard work and I hope to see more great articles in the future! By the way, I commend you on the speediness too! Lazulilasher (talk) 16:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Merci bien mon ami! Je suis tres reconnaissant de tes travaux! ;-) Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 16:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

You have an optional question...

...from me, at your RFA. :) D.M.N. (talk) 10:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Thelema

Thanks for the congrats. Yes, it does feel good. Though I can't leave you believing I did it all in a week. I had been working on the article for a couple of weeks anonymously (using IP addresses) before I created an account. It seemed that I was not being taken seriously without an account though, so I finally grudgingly created one... Will in China (talk) 18:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Well to be honest I assumed you weren't a complete n00b! Your contribs didn't exactly look like a total newcomer. Well done anyway! Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 22:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

User Page

Just did a minor thing [3] - it wasn't wrapping properly in IE (don't know if it was okay in FireFox but that break should fix it in both). RFA looking good buddy! Pedro :  Chat  12:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Pedro - I use FireFox and it looked OK there, but thanks for the tweak. There was a reasonable comment in the RfA about my gender being easily mistaken, so I thought this pic might dispel any confusion! Looks good so far, very interesting Oppose and Neutral contribs - glad I decided in advance to gag myself from replying! Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 13:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, the way I wiew it is that passing at 100% does not make you a better admin than 95%, same as not making WP:100 has zero impact on your ability to be a good admin. There's been some good feedback at your RfA with no grumbles - actually that suprised me because 4,500 edits is still seen by some as a little "light" - i expected some "weak support" editcountitis but clearly quality shines over quantity!! Still, not long until the shiny new buttons! You can hit me up if you need any help in the first few days, of course. Pedro :  Chat  13:25, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Milhist coordinators election has started

The February 2008 Military history WikiProject coordinator election has begun. We will be selecting nine coordinators to serve for the next six months from a pool of fifteen candidates. Please vote here by February 28. --ROGER DAVIES talk 11:03, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

RFA

I may not have created a good article, but I have contributed a bit to the Proud (song) article. Icestorm815 • Talk 14:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Mien and Mienh

Congratulations and thanks for finding the right destination for the Mien article, which I encountered as a result of seeing Important Message about Mienh Language in new pages (that one was speedy-deleted after my request) . It was past my bedtime, and I didn't finish figuring out how Mien and Mienh should be handled. Perhaps you learned enough about the Mien people to figure out where Mienh fits in. --Orlady (talk) 14:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

RFA Card

Nousernamesleft

Hi, Kim, thanks for voting in my RfA, which passed with 47 supports (I hoped for a perfect square, but two away is close enough!), 3 opposes (the first odd prime), and 0 neutrals. I'm glad the community has decided to trust me with the mop and bucket (the flamethrower isn't supported). Of course, special thanks goes to my nominators Auawise and that one guy who buried stuff (not that the thanks I give to the you isn't special!). If you ever need a hand with something, or just want to say hello, tough feel free to drop a line! Best wishes, Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 23:01, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

This doesn't even vaguely resemble a mop, but I couldn't find a picture of one.


All your advice on participation will be heeded. Thanks for it! Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 23:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

You are now an administrator

Congratulations, I have just closed your RfA as successful and made you an administrator. Take a look at the administrators' how-to guide and the administrators' reading list if you haven't read those already. Also, the practice exercises at the new admin school may be useful. If you have any questions, get in touch on my talk page. WjBscribe 23:54, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

PS: If I'd have gone canvassing for nominators, you would definitely have been someone I approached. So don't be too cross with Pedro for stealing the gig! All the best, Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 09:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh wow, thanks. Not sure if canvassing is the best idea though (shall I rumble about why it shouldn't be like that?). Good luck, and cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 09:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Indeed - I wouldn't really have gone canvassing for nominators - but perhaps some more formal system of approaching senior editors/admins for an opinion on one's readiness might be no bad thing? Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 09:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on becoming an Admin

Kim, I wanted to congratulate you on becoming an admin with your RfA passing (68/0/0). I also wanted to thank you for your even handedness on the RfD for Havidol. It is clear from your actions as an editor that you have taken the Wikipedia equivalent of the Hippocratic Oath. I look forward to your tenure as an admin.--Dan Dassow (talk) 02:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Same by me. Well done, and try not to delete the main page, now! WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN it seems the winds have stopped... 09:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Another one in the pile. Nice one! Pedro :  Chat  12:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, your hit rate so far as nom looks pretty good, eh? Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 12:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Me, I only nominate the best :) Pedro :  Chat  19:16, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations!

This user has a mop.

Congratulations! I hope you will do a great job as an admin. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 13:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Meow! Dlohcierekim Deleted? 13:55, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Prrrrr, prrrrrr! Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 14:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Congrats! - Milk's Favorite Cookie 14:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry - but this is all you get from me! I know the tee-shirt isn't as sexy as the mop and the bucket.... - Milk's Favorite Cookie 14:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations, and welcome to the Cabal erm, being an admin. Give me a poke if you need anything - except autoblocks, I don't understand those - and I'll do my best. Enjoy the tools, and be happy your RfA is over. Best of luck, Keilana|Parlez ici 15:52, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Seconded, thirded, fourthed...can't be bothered doing any more. :) Congratulations! Rudget. 16:53, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
So much for deletionist tendencies... Rudget. 16:57, 18 February 2008

(UTC)

Crikey, are you wikistalking me? You'll uncover my secret identity as an inclusionist if you're not careful... Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 06:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations! No idea how I didn't remember to vote, but I can see I wasn't needed. Oh, and use the thankspam well! ;) Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 17:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations Kim! Best of luck to you with your new tools! :) GlassCobra 20:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Damovo

Yes, there were no references when I saw the article - wouldn't want something deleted just for the sake of it. :) Thanks for letting me know! - Fritzpoll (talk) 14:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Respond to Kim Dent-Brown

Hi, it looks like you are very active in applying CSDs to new articles. Where are some places that I can go to in order to find articles that might need a CSD? I've been hanging out at the New Pages page but was wondering if there are other places where I might have better luck finding articles that have been around for some time and deserve a CSD. Gary King (talk) 15:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gary, if you don't already know it you might try AutoWikiBrowser which allows you to scan new edits and look out for what may be vandalism. However that still relates to new stuff, not existing articles. I'd suggest simply hitting the random article button every now and again - it's amazing what you find that way. Also, try looking here where you will find articles that have few or no inward links and may therefore be isolated and endangered. However, I'd advise against cruising the jungle with a shotgun in your shoulder: not all these wounded animals need putting out of their misery. A great many just need a helping hand (a quick Google search to turn up a reference, or a Wikilink to a friendly relative). Like a good vet, I'm more and more tempted nowadays to heal these critters before I send them to the fabled articles' graveyard. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 20:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Congrats!

Congratulations on getting handed the mop and bucket, or adminship! Cheers , ChetblongT C 16:51, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Fud ov teh kat godz

Ceiling Cat Createz Dis Chezburger in congratulashuns 4 ur new adminship!


DreadstarKat 17:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Graet, now ceiling kat can watches me masticate! Kthxbai. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 20:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

About Gowingo

Hi, I have put some text in User:Lagoonfish/Gowingo. Please pay attention that this entry is very similar to the long accepted one about WebCrawler. Please let me know when I can put it on the main site.

Thanks Lagoonfish (talk) 19:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Alas, both WebCrawler and Gowingo articles suffer the same problem: no references to independent reliable sources. Happily for WebCrawler, there is Google search as a very crude indicator of how wide spread the term is: it comes up with over 8,000,000 hits. Sadly for Gowingo, there are fewer than 3,000. The fact that the former has an existing article is NOT a reason why the latter should exist: see here for why. I've tagged the WebCrawler article as needing references, to try and be even-handed. But for such a small topic such as Gowingo I'm afraid it needs at least one citation in a newspaper, magazine or authoritative independent website. Don't worry, if WebCrawler editors can't come up with a reference I'll propose it for deletion too. But you will need a reference as well, or every time you post this article editors are going to see it and tag it, I'm afraid. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 20:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

About your RfA

Congratulations on your successful request for adminship! I was going to give you a T-shirt and a link to the new admins' school, but it seems you already have both. :) Good luck! Acalamari 20:16, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Ac (and everyone else above who has sent me congratulations.) Already up to my elbows in suds and starting to complain of housemaid's knee. At least this is one way to increase my edit count... Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 20:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome! Acalamari 21:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Another in the string of congrats

Glad to welcome you to the ranks even if somewhat tardily. If you need help or have questions, don't hesitate to ask me. I ain't perfect but I knows a few things. I expect we'll see each other around. Cheers, Pigman☿ 18:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Nothing really suprising has happened!

Proudly displaying that little icon at the top that indicates you are a sysop, eh? Well, congratulations!! :) It was not a surprise really, I knew from the moment I read your answers at the editor's review that you were going to succeed, you took the thing seriously and made it! Congratulations again ! :) Finally, may I add that blanking the front page on this day would be hilarious! :D I am just kidding mate :) Cheers! Λua∫Wise (Operibus anteire) 20:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

RFA

Thanks for participating in my RFA, which closed successfully with 40 supports, 13 opposes, and 4 neutrals. For those of you who supported my RFA, I greatly appreciate it. For those who did not, I'm also thankful for your constructive criticism. If you need some advice or have some pointers for me, you know where to reach me! A special thank you to Majorly for all his time and effort he has placed in my nomination. Once again, thank you all for your helpful comments. Now off to new admin school! Cheers, Icestorm815 • Talk 01:15, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Scene (fashion trends)

Hi there, I declined the speedy on this one because, poorly written though the article is it doesn't meet the A1 criterion. This states that A1 (nonsense) is suitable for:

an unsalvageably incoherent page with no meaningful content. This does not include: poor writing, partisan screeds, obscene remarks, vandalism, fictional material, material not in English, badly translated material, implausible theories, or hoaxes of any sort; some of these, however, may be deleted as vandalism in blatant cases.

I suggest you either Prod or AfD the article instead. I realise that there's no way it would survive AfD and this may seem an academic exercise, but A1 is really only for articles that read "gdhfdtwer74587trgkjnw5-98456" and the like. Best wishes, Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 21:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Hmm, A1 was perhaps not the best tag for it, but you have to believe me when i say that it is never going to become a frontpage article. Unless im mistaken the exact same article was deleted by another administrator earlier this day (It looks awfully similar to something i CSD'd earlier). Also, the user who posted the article, has quite the history for posting nonsense pages, which makes me believe that this article will receive no improvement (Im surprised if anyone will ever look at it in the first place ^^). However, i don't mind having it stick around. There are way worse articles out there, and this one can be considered readable in a sense. Anyway, thanks for coming by, and dropping a note on this one. I always appreciate feedback :) Excirial (Talk,Contribs) 21:44, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
  • You did not remove it from your monobook or something like that? Perhaps using CTRL+F5, checking if your browser is still set to accept javascript, or simply restarting the browser would help? Anyway, good luck with it.

Notability question on products.

Since you are obviously busy on WP:CSD i hope you don't mind if i wander in with a question about it. I came across (This Article) a few hours ago, and i simply can't figure out if this is type of article ok with the CSD guidelines. I think it MAY violate G11 (Advertising) since it seems to comply with the reasoning that its only around to promote the website in question, along with a possible violation of G7 since i don't feel this particular website is really notable. As im a vandalism patrol by nature (And only recently started adding newpage patrol to my resume ;) ) i would like to ask you for some kind of advice regarding this particular page. Thanks in advance! Excirial (Talk,Contribs) 21:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

The editor in question forgot to add {{Reflist}} so his/her three references weren't showing. I've added this now. I think it just makes it through the WP:WEB criteria: it doesn't read entirely like advertising, though you'd be within your rights to tidy it up! I agree it seems to have been written to promote the site, but I IMHO think it just stays the right side of the line. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 22:01, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, your right. It doesn't read like an advertisement, but it seemed much like a gray zone in the rules. In short: I had no idea what to do with this kind of articles and i frequently stuble over one of them. Thats until now that is. Thanks for the advice! Excirial (Talk,Contribs) 22:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Removing CSD tag from User space (User:BullishwML)

Please see Wikipedia:CSD#General_criteria. CSD tags are appropriate in all namespaces for advertising. Corvus cornixtalk 00:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. That seems to directly conflict with this page which seems to say that WP:MFD should be used in pace of WP:CSD for user pages.... Which should we believe? Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 00:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I think that second page is for things like using your User page as a blog, or something like that. I think CSD is still appropriate for the things listed on the CSD page under General. Corvus cornixtalk 00:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
You're right - just worked that one out for myself! the tricky bit being where a blog meets advertising, and making a judgement call over whether to MfD or CSD... Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 00:22, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I've used db-ad on User pages before and this was the first time I'd ever seen somebody revert it, so I went and did some research and found the CSD page.  :) Maybe the User page article should be updated to explain when to use CSD? Corvus cornixtalk 00:26, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Awesome. That looks good.  :) Corvus cornixtalk 00:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Why thank you! Now I can delete Calton's tagged articles with a clear conscience! Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 00:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
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