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Template:Caledonian Sleeper

The     just did not look right to me. This is why I added the    . You are right in that the alignment did not look right. Another way could be to change the colour of the     to hide them in the background. --Stewart (talk) 08:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello Stewart; are you missing those characters in your font? You shouldn't be able to see them at all (they're just space characters, like a Tab or breaking space), but if you select over them, they should be the same width as a normal digit. Do you have a screen-shot of what you are seeing and the browser/OS combination? —Sladen (talk) 12:21, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Template display of Caledonian Sleeper.jpg
Hi - screen shot uploaded. I am using XP Pro with IE6. As regards fonts, I am not aware of any fonts missing. Interesting point though about fonts. If I am seeing this who else is and what is the specific issue. Next week I will have a look at the template at work to see how it displays there. The two laptop PC at home are displaying this way, later on today I will have a look on the desktop (98SE with IE6 and Netscape 7). --Stewart (talk) 12:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Looking at Space_(punctuation)#Table_of_spaces does encoding it as   (eg. ] [) help at all? The boxes in the screen-shot are because the character isn't being found, rather than the intended look. There's also some break on one of the "Anglo-Scottish Border" lines, which could do with investigating (with the fixed width of the table in pixels not quite width enough?). —Sladen (talk) 12:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
In preview mode I added additional text to the first instance of "Anglo-Scottish Border". This made the box wider and the gaps on the second instance disappeared. I would guess that the [show] tag does not appear to be involved in the calculation to determine the width of the box. --Stewart (talk) 14:25, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Screen shot of Template-Caledonian Sleeper (Netscape 7.1).jpg
Tried out this on the desktop. 98SE and IE6 shows the same as on the laptops. However the thumbnail to the right shows what is displayed with 98SE and Netscape 7.1. --Stewart (talk) 15:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Yup, that's what I'd expect; presumably all of the Mozilla-based browsers are fine, and it's only MSIE that is having issues. Does the HTML entity coding change the result of what you see? —Sladen (talk) 16:20, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Using   displays the square. Incidentally with NS7 the thumbnails above are to the left of the text, but around the middle of the page with quite a bit of white space to the right of them. --Stewart (talk) 16:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


Hi Stewart, There is no doubt now as to whether User:Greenock125 is reading his talkpage or not, as he is deleting comments on his talkpage that he does not like; and it strongly appears that none of the images are his. The Geograph ones that I have looked at do have Creative Commons Licenses; and they appear to be correctly attributed in wikipedia to the photographer(s). Some are from Wiki Commons; and others appear to be from RAILSCOT and these are not covered by Creative Commons Licenses. A pity, Greenock125 appeared to be doing a good job, apart from not understanding copyright licensing; now I'm having difficultly working out why he is so insular. I see that User:Signalhead is also keeping an eye on Greenock125.Pyrotec (talk) 20:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

You know, I have a sneaking suspicion that User:Greenock125 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) might be yet another account of our friend 'Farlack'. Consider the evidence:

  1. Username ends with a number.
  2. Obviously based in Scotland.
  3. Obsessed with providing photographs for railway station articles / gets angry when such photographs are removed.
  4. Failure to use the 'preview' button.
  5. Messes up templates.
  6. Blanks or doesn't respond to warnings on talk page.

User:Rydo12345678 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) could be him as well. Signalhead (talk) 15:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Just checked up, and User:Mecu is happy with the revised licensing info on the Geograph images uploaded recently.[1] While the template's a good idea and more informative, as long as the license is spelt out that appears to be ok. The RailScot images don't seem to have a suitable license, but I notice that for Bogston, Greenock125 found a Geograph photo outside the station rather than using the RailScot image showing the tracks. ..dave souza, talk 23:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Highland Railway Review

I think we now have a complete set of articles for the Highland Railway. Some are still stub articles, but this is a milestone completed. This evening I have trawled through all the articles and templates. One thing I started doing recently is adding sources to the templates.

My working table of lines that became part of the Highland Railway will help.

There are also other associated lines (worked by the Highland Railway). This second table also includes the Cromarty and Dingwall Light Railway for completeness.

I have also adjusted the Template:Historical Scottish railway companies to reflect the worked by companies.

Your review of this would be much appreciated.

The CR, G&SWR and NBR will take quite a bit longer to reach the same state. I will see if I can make major inroads into the GNoSR lines over the remainder of the holiday period.

Reply from Dreamer84

Hey, sorry for the late reply not been on here much lately. Don't really have much more to add beyond what Pyrotec and Simply south have said, its all good work. My only related concern is that Template:Historical Scottish railway companies is perhaps starting to look a little bloated. Not sure what the answer would be, aside from splitting them into seperate templates for each 'big' company, but then the new categories such as [[Category:Glasgow and South Western Railway]] cover that pretty well. --Dreamer84 (talk) 11:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply from Pyrotec

OK. It's not an area I know well, but I have a copy (unopened) of Vallance (4th Ed, 1985)) and Heap & van Riemsdijk, so I'll work my way through them. I'm back at work on Wednesday, so not much is going to happen over the next few days, but I'll do a bit at a time.Pyrotec (talk) 23:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Reply from Simply south

I'm not really sure what to give as a review. Here is a starter. It would be good if the History sections in many were not just given as chrnological lists and there was more text and expansion on these points. It may be good to also reference the books in the text as well as giving them at the end. Also, don't just use Railscot as a source, use others as well. Maybe on the lines talk about current and future uses, if any.
It looks good that you've compiled all\most of the branches.
I wish i knew more on Scottish rail history! Simply south (talk) 17:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Response
Thanks for this - now the stub articles are in place I hope this will act as a catalyst (not just for myself, but others) to improve the articles (especially the history sections). One thing I have found is that RAILSCOT is not 100% accurate; however Jowett does have its own errors with junctions / lines not always shown.
Any help you can provide will be very helpful --Stewart (talk) 18:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

(And have a happy new year) Simply south (talk) 20:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Looking at a fellow project, i have found a cite template which may be good {{cite book}} which has all the usual parameters. If not, then use the harvard system. Simply south (talk) 21:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Template:Welsh Highland Railway

User:Sladen (Talk) 11:08, 4 February 2008


Stewart (talk) 22:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Book citation templates

It's just force of habit. :) I do lots of categorization of templates and I almost always have to do that. I fixed it. Sorry about that. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 11:47, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Solway Junction Railway

Hi Pencefn. If you have the chance, can you look at Solway Junction Railway which I have created and see if you can improve it. Best wishes, --John (talk) 20:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Created the route map template and added a few sections. what do you think? --Stewart (talk) 22:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I hope you will forgive my vandalism of your user page. --John (talk) 07:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


I've put down some ideas to try to simplify the adding and updating of icons for the rail diagrams. Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Railways#.7B.7Brail-interchange.7D.7D icons. —Sladen (talk) 20:03, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Glasgow and Milngavie Junction Railway

If you like I will work on the route template. --Stewart (talk) 22:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

That would be great. Thanks very much Stewart. Pyrotec (talk) 22:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Done. --Stewart (talk) 23:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Images of rail stations


Any chance that you could be able to photograph rail stations in the Glasgow/West of Scotland region ?

This would make Wiki entries for these stations more complete.

--Whohe! (talk) 13:38, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Historical rail starts/inserts

Hey Stewart. I noticed while doing a revert on Newton (South Lanarkshire) railway station that you altered the layout of the Historical rail boxes, specifically removing the 'Caledonian Railway' tag from all but one of the lines, and for the remaining one swapping it round so 'Hamilton Branch' is the bigger text rather than CR. Just wondering if there was a reason for this change? I'm not really bothered which way round they go, but I do think we should keep them all the same. Up until now I'd always been doing mine like this:

Preceding station National Rail Historical railways Following station
Line and station closed
  Caledonian Railway

 Lanarkshire and Ayrshire Railway

  Lugton High
Line and station closed
Line and station closed
  Caledonian Railway

 Lanarkshire and Ayrshire Railway


...based on the layout used for 'current' rail boxes, with the Operator at the top and line name underneath. --Dreamer84 (talk) 17:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the heads-up about User:ScotRail170indasun. Didn't seem to make any more edits, but it's essentially self-confessed and in a spirit of compromise I've indefblocked the account. Guess we'll have to ask for further advice on stopping this continuous stream, perhaps at WP:ANI, but a bit late just now so will think about it in the morning. .. dave souza, talk 22:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Morayshire Railway

See User talk:Billreid#Morayshire Railway
Stewart (talk) 20:41, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


Saw you wondering what this did (as I once did), take it like me you're using IE? In Firefox the reflist template displays the reference list in columns, so in the above case there would be three columns. Quite handy for pages with a lot of citations as it takes up less space on the page. Not much use for IE users though. --Dreamer84 (talk) 23:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

He's back again

His latest alias is: TrainFan06 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log). This edit is beyond belief. Signalhead (talk) 20:39, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

From the bits and pieces I've seen, this guy must have some sort of mental problems or similar, he claimed to be 17 at one point but acts more like a 12 year old most of the time. Publishing his personal details like that just really says it all! --Dreamer84 (talk) 23:42, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Now appearing as: FilaInNewHaven (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) Signalhead (talk) 11:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

First ScotRail and SPT stations

Discussion at User_talk:Simply_south#First_ScotRail_and_SPT_stations.
Stewart (talk) 22:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't really sure whether to post this here or on my page. The railway stations which are served by First ScotRail can have the stations served by First ScotRail category, just SPT railway stations is not a sub-cat as explained before. Simply south (talk) 23:27, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Kilbarchan Loop Line

You have changed the name of this article without providing a reference for the name change. It would be helpful if you could do this as I have never heard it refered to as Dalry and North Johnstone Line whilst Kilbarchan Loop (and Lochwinnoch Loop to a lessor extent) are terminology I have heard of. --Stewart (talk) 16:52, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

More .... WAC Smith; Ayrshire's Last Days of Steam (2001) ISBN 1-8403-3151-8 refers to the line as the North Johnstone Line. Also why have you changed the article name of the Lochwinnoch Station on this line? --Stewart (talk) 17:01, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
See the talk page for my reasons. I shouldn't have been as hasty with the change I admit. As for the Lochwinnoch page, I had never liked the "(second)" tag even when I originally wrote it, but couldn't think of an alternative. "(loop)" seemed better to me, but feel free to revert it. --- Dreamer 84 17:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I am biased as I used to live in Kilbarchan at the time the line was lifted (and the bricking up of the station ramps - reopened when the cycle route was established). The pictures you have taken today are great. I had not realised that the bridge at the end of Castle Semple station have been re-built with a pipe. --Stewart (talk) 17:18, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I was surprised myself. The original bridge is still there, but it appears to have been filled in with the pipe stuck through the middle of it, quite bizarre. I had hoped to get some photos of the remains of Brownhill Junction at Dalry, unfortunately couldn't get close enough without walking through the middle of a farm yard, so left it for another day. --- Dreamer 84 17:27, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Heritage railway co-ordinates

Hi - I've re-instated the coordinates in the heritage railway infobox. I see your point that for some lines they don't make sense, but the reason I added it was following a discussion at Talk:Talyllyn Railway. Basically, there was disagreement whether there should be coordinates in the article or not, and a compromise was reached that they should be used, provided it was clear from the infobox whiat it applied to. For the Talyllyn, the terminus at Tywyn is an obvious coordinate for the article. The coordsinate may also be useful for small preservation schemes with only one station. Hope this is ok. —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 00:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)