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Wikidata weekly summary #401

20:05, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

2020-02-04

Noob alert

Hi Andy - n00bie editor in here!--KevinBrace (talk) 11:35, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Andy. Hope you are well. --SparkleyesXx (talk) 11:35, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello

Good morning Andy. --MGoodwin81 (talk) 11:35, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi Andy User:Pigsonthewing Thank you so much for your help both 7 years ago (!!) and today. Really appreciate you pointing me in the right direction about the grade system and how to improve the article. I never forgot those 4 days back in 2013 when you came to The New Art Gallery Walsall and your company and conversation. I was getting a bit overwhelmed by some of the comments in all honesty so decided to take today off but you've really cheered me up. Heart felt thank you and I look forward to making the article the best it can be and many more to come. WendyGrowler (talk) 16:47, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Not dead yet

Howdy! You just posted {{not around}} or something -- sorry, I'm in the middle of chores! -- on my user page. I undid it. I am available for questions, etc. Very much so. Let me know if I misunderstood or erred in some fashion. Wishing you the best, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 22:54, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #402

19:12, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Tiny Minor thing Discouraged

Today you popped along to my page and changed {{Discouraged}} to {{tl|Discouraged}} ... but then discouraged template sadly no longer works, but it sums up how i feel most of the time. I have restored it, but i am very aware that you are a far more experienced wikipedian and may have had a reason for your action, and i am a very small contributor atm, but is the a way for me to keep the template. ~ BOD ~ TALK 18:49, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

@Bodney: By displaying the template in your sandbox, the sandbox is placed into Category:Wikipedians feeling discouraged (as was this page until I just disabled the instance in your comment). The template - and thus the category - is meant to be used on user pages or user talk pages, not sandboxes. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: Thanks Andy, i now understand, many thanks for the explanation. I will move it. ~ BOD ~ TALK 19:14, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

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16:08, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata integration

Andy, I'm a complete WD novice but it strikes me that WP templates like {{English Heritage listed building row}} and it SH equivalent are ripe for integration even if it is just as a test version. The template includes a field allowing linking to the relevant WD item but then the WD item already contains most of the information that goes into {{English Heritage listed building row}} which means wasted effort in compiling tables using this template. Can you or can you suggest someone who could prototype {{English Heritage listed building row/Wikidata}} which given the qid populates the template with the data from WD e.g. name, grid ref, lat/long, class of listing, image, date of listing? I have a draft article I would happily test it on. Nthep (talk) 16:12, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

@Nthep: I'm very much in agreement with you, and would say the same for our public artwork table-row templates. But there is pushback against Wikidata integration in some corners of our community, and I am not sure there would be consensus to deploy such templates (though it may be easier for list articles than others, and this could be a good "test case"). That said, RexxS is my go-to guy for such work (I can do some, but lack the Lua chops to add validation and deal with excpetions). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:21, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
@Nthep and Andy: I'll try to find the time to knock up a prototype for you later today or tomorrow. Please bug me if I get sidelined into something else. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 18:06, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

@Nthep and Andy: I've made a start, but it's late and I don't know the corresponding Wikidata properties for several of the fields, so any help on mapping would be appreciated. I looked at Barnard Castle Bridge (Q17529770) as an example, but it seems to be missing some of the data we would need. See what you think, anyway:

References

  1. ^ The date given is the date used by Historic England as significant for the initial building or that of an important part in the structure's description.
  2. ^ Sometimes known as OSGB36, the grid reference is based on the British national grid reference system used by the Ordnance Survey.
  3. ^ The "List Entry Number" is a unique number assigned to each listed building and scheduled monument by Historic England.

Compare with Grade I listed buildings in County Durham. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 01:52, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, RexxS. I've taken the liberty of adding a link to the new template from your comment - now you're an admin, feel free to indef me if you object ;-) The "Entry number" is National Heritage List for England number (P1216), though I notice that the item has three values, the second of which is the one shown on the list article; which confusingly has two entries for the bridge. "Coordinates" are coordinate location (P625). "Completed" is probably inception (P571). "Type" seems to be instance of (P31). I don't see how we can do the OS grid ref. We'd also need a "more images" link to the commons category, where one exists, and an "edit on Wikidata" pencil icon-link, please. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:24, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Rexxs a great start. "OS grid ref" is OS grid reference (P613) "Architect" is architect (P84). Completed is P571 but it is an odd one and I can't get my head round the WD definition of "date or point in time when the subject came into existence as defined" for things that have a durational building period. The only missing field that surprises me is that P1612 "number on the National Heritage List for England" doesn't have a date listed constraint or statement that can be extracted. I would suggest rather than an "edit on Wikidata" pencil icon-link for each field keeping the column Wikidata where the qid can be inserted and have the pencil link to that field would look better otherwise you end up with lists with literally hundreds of edit links which to my eyes is off putting and distracting. One per row is far more acceptable.
As a side note any idea why {{English Heritage listed building row}} won't accept {{grade I colour}} etc as background colour settings for the name box? Nthep (talk) 11:45, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I'd forgotten about P613. I've added a "start time (P580)" qualifier to the P1216 value on Q17529770; see [4]. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:52, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

These categories are supposed to be about the persons origins. Not everywhere they have worked. Rathfelder (talk) 15:43, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

[citation needed] Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:55, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #403

16:17, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

merging infoboxes

You have requested that {{Infobox automobile}} and {{Infobox tractor}} be merged. But you have not started a discussion at either page, nor have you given any reason. Without any reasons given, most people will probably ignore it until it fades away.  Stepho  talk  22:57, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

As the notification template I have added to both of those infobox templates' pages says, I have started a discussion - where I have stated reasons - at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 February 19#Template:Infobox automobile. This page is one of a set that is the venue we use for discussing hundreds of templates every month. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:04, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Oops, I missed that. Thanks.  Stepho  talk  10:52, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #404

21:00, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

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