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Baker Beach article

Baker Beach article contained a section "Cold War Bunker" that had several deficiencies - - Lacked sources (This section is not trustworthy without reliable references.) - Poorly written (to me, sounds more like a Hollywood script than an historical article.) - If true, not about the beach, but about other subjects and belongs in a different article. I edited the article to remove the "Cold War Bunker" section. Please look at the removed section, and confirm my opinion? Thanks, awdunn, -— Preceding unsigned comment added by Awdunn (talkcontribs) 12:09, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

That's right, I agree, I accidentaly reverted it and realised but the tool I was using (Igloo) didn't let me cancel the action. Welcome to Wikipedia, remember to sign your posts on talk pages with four tildes (~~~~). Puffin Let's talk! 12:12, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Purr GAN

Thanks for the copyediting the article! I've addressed your additional comments over at the review. Crystal Clear x3 14:56, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Locating sources has been quite difficult, as most google searches just turn up blog postings. I looked over several different magazine's (Elle, Glamour, even Teen Vogue) Nov. and Dec issues to see if they have any mention of it and none of them did =/. I've instead added a bit more from the BellaSugar review. Crystal Clear x3 22:22, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Article for Creation - BMI Appraisals - 2nd Review

Hi Puffin,

This is user "FML198" and recently have asked for a Page to be reviewed, which was failed due to many references are from the subject own website. To correct the situation, I have followed your instructions to include 3rd party references onto the page, and now out of the nine references, only two came from the subject website. The page is under the name "BMI Appraisals" under Article for Creation. Please review it again and let me know if the references are now ok.


FML198 (talk) 01:52, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I left a comment on the review page. Puffin Let's talk! 10:05, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

BMI Appraisals - REVISED + weblink

Hi Puffin,

Appreciate your fast turn around!!

Below is the link to the revised article. In this revision, I have replaced {citation needed} with 3rd party reference as suggested by you as well as added additional 3rd party references.

My revised page is here:

Much appreciated your time to review my article for numerous time.


Martin FML198 (talk) 08:02, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by FML198 (talkcontribs) 08:00, 24 August 2011 (UTC) 

BMI Appraisals - 3rd Review

Hi Puffin,

YOU ARE SO RIGHT.... it does sound bad with the "WE" tone....

I have changed the "we" tone as suggested. The revised copy is here:

Appreciate your time in assisting.

Hope this time around is ok.


Martin FML198 (talk) 02:45, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

BMI Appraisals

Hi Puffin,

Got it. I will do more editing on the references.

Thanks for all the help!!

Martin FML198 (talk) 02:20, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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For doing many anti-vandalism activities on English Wikipedia ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 12:35, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Puffin Let's talk! 16:13, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


Oh, really excuse me, i'm not very pratical with english's alerts. In wikipedia italian there are lots of templates for vandalizing, spam, promotional info... Can you help me with english templates for patrolling?--Frigotoni ...i'm here; 16:32, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thank you but if i want to use only "recent changes", i have not managed to find some templates for vandalizing (for example, i know only {{test}})--Frigotoni ...i'm here; 16:37, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Perfect! Thanks a lot. If i'm in troubles again, i'll contact you! Bye!--Frigotoni ...i'm here; 16:44, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
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Ezekiel! Talk to meh.See what I'm doin'. 21:39, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Roy t eriksen for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Roy t eriksen is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roy t eriksen until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. — Fιnεmαnn (talk) 18:41, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

I didn't create the article?? Puffin Let's talk! 18:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Oh this was a mistake. You moved the page from Roy t eriksen to Roy Eriksen. So I guess twinkle thought that you created the page. Regards! — Fιnεmαnn (talk) 18:57, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

The AIV fail

I looked at his contribs ASAP when I saw the report; I only saw the first four contribs. So I go to add the message, and once I do, I check the contribs. I see the IP user made a fifth vandalism. So I go to strike the comment I made, but just when I hit save the first time, I edit conflicted. I type a slightly different message, and hit save. Edit conflict, but this time with Helperbot7. So yeah, at least I had a good reason to put the template I placed, right? LikeLakers2 (talk) 19:40, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

probably Puffin Let's talk! 19:43, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Well, I guess you could say I placed the template I did in good faith, right? :) LikeLakers2 (talk) 19:46, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Yes, you assumed good faith. Puffin Let's talk! 19:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
On a {{unrelated}} ( :P ) note, I see you are failing at things today. First you had to change the userbox transclusion to the correct one, and now you are forgeting that it is ~~~~, not ~~. Not that big of a deal, just something I thought was a bit funny. LikeLakers2 (talk) 19:50, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
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For great anti-vandalism work. ItsZippy (talk) 16:56, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Puffin Let's talk! 16:57, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

CSD tagging

Hi, good call on that G10 tag. Looking at the editor's deleted contributions I decided to block them as well. ϢereSpielChequers 12:49, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello how are you, this is my first attempt at talking on wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kailash29792 (talkcontribs) 18:49, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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For your excellent expansion of Strudelbach and taking the initiative to translate. The idea of course is that we have full articles on German rivers eventually! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:13, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
Ok, thank you. Puffin Let's talk! 21:14, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


I'm just saying, that he called my best friend an idiot. –#1 Fan of Queen | Talk | Contribs | 22:26, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


Fixed it! –#1 Fan of Queen | Talk | Contribs | 22:29, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Cottage cheese 2011 Israel protests 9/11/11

This shouldn't be in the article. It should be in the Arab Spring article since that is what is related to and even it's source is more focused on the Arab Spring protests. It just doesn't flow with article. There is no history section for the cheese so to throw in one random event into the article ruins it.

I would use better words to explain why it shouldn't be there but i'm not very bright.

Ok, next time, provide an edit summary explaining why you removed it. Puffin Let's talk! 15:29, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Deletion rationales

Please be advised that I use my custom deletion rationales for very specific purposes; neither of the ones you suggested was pertinent. However, I did find another one. DS (talk) 19:54, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Charming climbing mouse

I just deleted File:Charming climbing mouse.png. As Aranae pointed out at Talk:Charming Climbing Mouse, it is not a Rhipidomys but an Eliomys, and the licensing makes no sense (it was supposedly a non-free book cover, but without saying what book it came from—images from non-free book covers are supposed to be used to identify the book or for commentary on that book cover, not for any other purpose). Ucucha (talk) 20:33, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I do understand copyright, I just made a mistake sorry, I know which liscence I should have used and I thought that was the thing but it turns out it wasn't ok. Puffin Let's talk! 20:43, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


Every one is entitled to their opinions, but voting on false claims of misuse of GA requirements seems a bit odd to me. I'm just wondering if the unnecessary drama you cause at RfA is really helping what people are trying to achieve at WP:RFA2011. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:30, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

I am not causing drama, I am raising a valid point thank you. Puffin Let's talk! 16:21, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:EW, Tahir-ul-Qadri

Hello Puffin,

firstly let me thank you for your reply to my help request and for doing your part do make Wikipedia a welcoming community to new editors like myself. Secondly, the link you gave me suggeststaking steps to prevent further warring on the article. I have therefore added it to my watchlist and will try to keep an open eye. Do you suggest taking any further steps in this issue? Thank you for your time and patience. --Abracus (talk) 15:34, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

They seem to have stopped, if you see one of them revert 3 times in 24 hours when the edits are not obvious vandalism, then you can report them to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Ok. Puffin Let's talk! 16:25, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

File:Smiley face.jpg listed for deletion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Smiley face.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. – Quadell (talk) 17:32, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

I striked through as they are going to keep it. Puffin Let's talk! 09:21, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


Hello, I'm sorry that your message was not delivered in time. Would you still like to have it delivered? -- Nascar1996(TalkContribs) 15:35, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Of course not. Puffin Let's talk! 16:00, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

News and progress from RfA reform 2011

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Hi, I've been marking a lot of test pages created by IPs on "user talk" domain and many were already deleted, exactly like the page you showed me. There's not a great reason to maintain these useless pages. See another log of a page I recently marked:

  • 16:54, 29 September 2011 DeltaQuad (talk | contribs) deleted "User talk:" ‎ (G3: Vandalism (or hoax or basically CSD G6)) --Lucas Nunes (talk) 17:08, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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You beat me to quite a few reverts today. Keep up the good work :) Trusilver 20:18, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Puffin Let's talk! 20:19, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

GA Review of 20 euro note

Hello, Puffin, I've finished all the points you've listed in your review. Can you come over and recheck the article? – Plarem (User talk contribs) 20:26, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

I guess you mean 20 euro note, I will check the article. Puffin Let's talk! 08:07, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, got mixed up with my other GA Nominee, European Central Bank. I have adressed the final point, I am awaiting your comment again. – Plarem (User talk contribs) 18:58, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. An I need help

{{help me}} I have been a wiki reader for long. I saw some information on some topics were incorrect, impropper and little. I tried to contribute by putting credible , well referenced , information available on journals and newspapers with the link , but a user continuously reverts my contribution. Why so ? I tried to explain to him and shared reference on the subject but instead got a warning that he will block my account. Is it that some people dont allow others to contribute unless I take their permission? Kanchachink (talk) 10:28, 16 October 2011 (UTC)kanchachink

For future reference, when you post to any registered user's talk page they get a conspicuous orange banner informing them anywhere they are on Wikipedia, the next time they visit, that they have new messages. The banner persists until the person visits their talk page. The helpme template is for placement on ones own talk page, to call users who monitor the category the template places them into, to visit and answer a help request. You thus never use it when you are asking a specific other person a question on their talk page, as you did here.

In any event, may I assume your question is abut your edits to Kiran Bedi? It's always good when asking a question to identify the actual topic so what's actually going on can be addressed. If this is what you are here about, your summary of what has been going on is just incorrect. Given your question here, you seem to have not taken in what has been said to you on your talk page, here and in edit summaries, including about removal of sourced content, about our requirement of using neutral language and most importantly, about discussing your edits on the article's talk page. You will be blocked for WP:3RR if you continue trying to make this edit with others disagreeing. You may not remove an entire, reliably sourced section on controversies from the article, which ultimately appears to be your goal, without a good reason and the consensus of other editors.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:28, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Rule29 links

Thanks for reviewing the article and pointing out what I still need to do. I have external links to add. Should I do this and then will you review it again?

Thanks so much!

Cvolkman (talk) 18:04, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Your sources are all from the "Rule 29" website. You need reliable third party sources. Yes, add the links and I will review it again. Puffin Let's talk! 15:09, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Puffin, I can't find my text in a format that let's me edit it. I'm not sure what happened. I have several third party references to insert but can't figure out how to do it! Please help!

Cvolkman (talk) 16:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand, what are the sources you want to include? Do you need to read WP:REFB? Puffin Let's talk! 17:24, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I want to include some of these sources: - Under self promotion

Claudia (talk) 21:41, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Puffin, I'm unsure what to do next. Please advise. Thanks! Claudia 31 Oct 11 (talk) 20:56, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh sorry, you need to read WP:REFB, to decide where to put your citations. You should list these sources next to their supporting statements in the form of an inline citation, to do so, read the guide I stated above, if you need any more help, or if you don't understand the guide, please don't hesitate to ask. Puffin Let's talk! 20:58, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
There are a few more issues too.

Your article does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of published material. If you still feel that this subject is appropriate for Wikipedia, please rewrite your proposed article in the form of an encyclopedia entry, and make sure to avoid certain terms meant to show off the subject.

I'm sorry, but your article appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. If you still feel that this subject is appropriate for Wikipedia, please rewrite your proposed article in the form of an encyclopedia entry. Encyclopedia entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of published, verifiable sources not just to materials produced by the creator of the item being discussed. Puffin Let's talk! 21:42, 31 October 2011 (UTC)


for repairing my user page (twice!) DH85868993 (talk) 10:21, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

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The Park School

Hey Puffin, there's a bunch of copyvios in the article's history: compare to their website. Perhaps you can help comb through it to remove it, and perhaps you can find an administrator to apply RevDel and remove the offending content. Please also welcome and Twinkle the contributor with a no copyvio warning. Thank you. (talk) 16:35, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thaks for answering my questions since 2 moths ago  :D Muhammad Mukhriz (talk) 05:24, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
No problem. Puffin Let's talk! 07:51, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

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Where to comment on Phodopus?

Hi, I've finished copy editing, at least for now, but I have very many comments, especially on sourcing. I thought the PR was still happening, but I see you said it has happened. Do you prefer me to put the comments on the PR page or in a new section on the article talk page? Best, --Stfg (talk) 19:16, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Never mind. I'll put them on the PR page for now, as they might be short-lived. They can always be moved afterwards if you prefer. --Stfg (talk) 19:23, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

69605 & 69568

Just to point out you have marked these request as rangeblocks, they are not. Local block link will show a list of expired and existing blocks, the Local range blocks link will show active blocks rather they are range or single IP. hope this clears this up a little. Cheers Mlpearc powwow 17:12, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Tracy's Photos and Flowers

I am not too good at wikipedia due to work and my sister had to load the photos for me because I can't do it at work. They are my photos taken from my phone, one of me and others of a plant I am plantsitting. I don't know how to get to the copywright, etc and my sister resaved the photo of me and for some reason it isn't coming up when i try to use it. If you know how to change the copyright to say they are my photos I would appreciate it. TracyRenee

A beer for you!

Export hell seidel steiner.png Keep, Keep, Keep drinking! Congrats! Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 14:55, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
thanks Puffin Let's talk! 16:53, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Im Sorry

Im sorry, i didn't mean to, but i was doing it in good faith, the others were vandalizing, the song was not released as a single and they were putting false information, i asked them to put sources if they want to mention that it is a single and they were not providing any sources......i searched all the internet about that song and there is no sign of it what so over of it being a single, the release of it was scrapped and i provided a very reliable source for, shouldn't they be the ones getting a warning?...because i was reverting thyre vandalism, isnt wikipedia about sources?......i provided sources that it's release was was never released as a single and that cover is fake....why should i be the one who gets blamed?.....they have no proof that it was a single.....Cockinesss (talk) 21:52, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: User:DoRDo

Re your message: Don't worry about it. =) I didn't recognize the take off on DoRD's account until they brought it up. The name just didn't click with me at the time. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 22:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


I've changed your tag on that World of Quran thing to spam. It's grammatically coherent and understandable, which rules nonsense out. Something like 'Grave the outer symmetry interiorly outwith a passing cheese wombat' or 'yutyttcuy bhgytrxuuv' would pass the nonsense test, so long as you had checked on Google to make sure the second one wasn't in Slobodian and actually the title of their national anthem... Peridon (talk) 16:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cosmic Break

Choco-Nut Bake with Meringue Top cropped.jpg CUPCAKE --Bumblezellio (talk) 10:13, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello Puffin. I'm honored to meet you ever since you help guide me to improve my Article, Cosmic Break. Please have this cupcake as a reward for helping out. Once you are done with the cupcakes, I would like to invite you to join a discussion on Cosmic Break in accordance to the deletion notice. Would you like to join?--Bumblezellio (talk) 10:13, 14 November 2011 (UTC)