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Sustainable Development Goals
[edit]Hi Shanewatson20, thanks you so much for your contributions and all the work you did on creating individual articles for each of the development goals. I noticed there has been a conversation on the talk page of that article about possibly creating individual articles per goal. There had been a separate conversation a few years back at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sustainable Development Goal 3 that concluded that the best place would be for all goals to be in one article. Clearly those views are conflicting. I think a) there needs to be wider conversation about the splits - some goals have been split out and provide additional depth; b) instead of bulk creating stubs with little to no detail it may be preferable to create more wholesome articles one goal at a time and while doing so, reduce the size of the main article. I have therefore redirected those stubs back to the main article until there have been some time to review the approach. I hope this makes sense. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 01:02, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Jake Brockman, Thanks for your comments. As you had mentioned there are some SDGs with separate pages and some within a single article. I agree that one at time approach is generally how content should be added instead of creating Stubs. There seems to be a larger content non-parity between French/German and English as the pages for Goals in French and English for some goals is well written with more content which might be potentially translated or more content added in english itself if more people start contributing to these goal pages. As you know SDGs and their goals along with targets, indicators are widely watched and almost all organizations are aligning themselves to these goals, so my opinion would be to have separate pages and slowly content gets added to them as the days progress as people working in the focus areas related to those goals will add unique and useful content which will provide a goal wise summary for any reader who would not only know the goals but also the targets and outcomes till date. Ideally I would request you to consider a 6 month time for those pages and see if we can get more contributors as each of those goals are not just one line statements but multiple targets and indicators aligning to them against which progress is measured. But as someone who has been in other discussions related to this I will leave it to your best judgement. Thank you for taking the time to talk to me. pseudonym Shanewatson20 talk 01:27, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hi again.You raised a couple of good points. i) each language project had their own rules and principles about what is worthy for inclusion into Wikipedia. Some of these rules are similar, some may be very different. Bluntly put, existence in e.g. German Wikipedia is irrelevant for English Wikipedia. Articles must stand entirely on the merits of e.g. notability within this project. Having said that, when reviewing articles about people, companies, etc. in certain countries, I do take absense/presence as indicator to dig a little deeper. ii) I appreciate that UN/UNESCO programs get some attention (and in some cases can be very controversial), however when splitting articles each split needs to stand on its own feet, so to speak. So when looking at, e.g. goal 3, does the article about this goal fulfil all the criteria about notability and this should be presented with sufficient sources that are independent of the subject. See also WP:PAGEDECIDE. It is not up to me to provide timelines, etc. I can only give a view on Wikipedia policies. Looking at some of the splits, Sustainable Development Goal 14 seems minimally viable, however I'd raise the concern that the sourcing is very much primary. This article may be a good starting point. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 02:19, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hi User:Shanewatson20, thank you for creating the individual SDG articles, I had the same task on my to-do list as well! Hi Jake Brockman, thank you for raising your concern but I think we should fairly quickly be able to alleviate your concerns. All the SDGs deserve articles in their own right, they each will have lots of content. Just give us a little bit of time to build them up. If you prefer, they could be first built up in the overall SDG article and then split off when they reach a certain size. But I think they could also be created from scratch and then built up. I am actually part of an initiative that wants to work on this during an edit-a-thon in September so it's good to lay the prep work for it now and start/continue the conversations. See link to project description (a bit out of date, will update it soon), here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_loves_Sustainable_Development_Goals EMsmile (talk) 13:30, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
- Please continue the discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sustainable_Development_Goals#Should_each_SDG_have_its_own_article%3F EMsmile (talk) 04:59, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hi User:Shanewatson20, thank you for creating the individual SDG articles, I had the same task on my to-do list as well! Hi Jake Brockman, thank you for raising your concern but I think we should fairly quickly be able to alleviate your concerns. All the SDGs deserve articles in their own right, they each will have lots of content. Just give us a little bit of time to build them up. If you prefer, they could be first built up in the overall SDG article and then split off when they reach a certain size. But I think they could also be created from scratch and then built up. I am actually part of an initiative that wants to work on this during an edit-a-thon in September so it's good to lay the prep work for it now and start/continue the conversations. See link to project description (a bit out of date, will update it soon), here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_loves_Sustainable_Development_Goals EMsmile (talk) 13:30, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hi again.You raised a couple of good points. i) each language project had their own rules and principles about what is worthy for inclusion into Wikipedia. Some of these rules are similar, some may be very different. Bluntly put, existence in e.g. German Wikipedia is irrelevant for English Wikipedia. Articles must stand entirely on the merits of e.g. notability within this project. Having said that, when reviewing articles about people, companies, etc. in certain countries, I do take absense/presence as indicator to dig a little deeper. ii) I appreciate that UN/UNESCO programs get some attention (and in some cases can be very controversial), however when splitting articles each split needs to stand on its own feet, so to speak. So when looking at, e.g. goal 3, does the article about this goal fulfil all the criteria about notability and this should be presented with sufficient sources that are independent of the subject. See also WP:PAGEDECIDE. It is not up to me to provide timelines, etc. I can only give a view on Wikipedia policies. Looking at some of the splits, Sustainable Development Goal 14 seems minimally viable, however I'd raise the concern that the sourcing is very much primary. This article may be a good starting point. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 02:19, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
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Nomination of Sustainable Development Goal 9 for deletion
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Your draft article, Draft:Systemanaturae.org
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Systemanaturae.org (June 29)
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Your draft article, Draft:Systemanaturae.org
[edit]Hello, Shanewatson20. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Systemanaturae.org".
In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.
Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 07:07, 29 December 2021 (UTC)