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Irish woodsball league stub[edit]

I've made up stubs for the Irish woodsball league (IWL) and its participating teams and just wanted to put it up here to see if there was any objection before putting them up. Quadsey2010 (talk) 09:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Put it on the list!!!![edit]

>grr< I was afraid this would happen. In the onslaught of template creation over the last couple of months, hardly anyone (I'm being kind here) has been updating the stub list. Even for an upmerged template, you should add the item to the list when it's created. Please do your part on follow-through and put templates and/or categories on the list. >grr<. </rant> Love, Mommy Her Pegship (tis herself) 21:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why not get a bot to do it? It really shouldn't be difficult to search for all templates ending in -stub and order them according to their category tree. Skomorokh 16:57, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I wish it were that easy. I don't think the list I'm thinking of can be updated that way; if anyone else has another idea, please feel free to act on it. Pegship (talk) 22:02, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is not that easy. Many of the stub categories belong to a couple different categories. For instance, a category like Category:science software stubs is really a sub-category of Category:science stubs and Category:software stubs. Once the bot starts listing one sub category in two places, then it lists its sub-sub-categories 4 places, etc. A human really has to make the decision as to which of the two is the more meaningful listing. However, I would think it would be very possible to create a bot that would identify categories that have not been listed, and periodically update the categories needing to be vetted page. Dawynn (talk) 11:43, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re Sixers[edit]

Can someone either assist or take over making a "Sixers Review" stub (It is included in the list of literary magazine). I tried and did something wrong... it got deleted... I'm new at the this. Sorry.)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:43, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This project is for creating stub templates and categories and sorting stub articles, not for creating the articles themselves. I'd suggest trying Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Grutness...wha? 23:11, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I hope this is the right place but per this discussion, Template:Wałcz-geo-stub I guess was voted to be created but never was. Does that mean it wasn't meant to be created or what? Should I proposal it again? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:26, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That just means no one has gotten round to it yet. Go ahead and create. Pegship (talk) 16:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

lang stubs[edit]

moved from WP:WSS/P

Articles tagged with {{AustroAsiatic-lang-stub}} show up in the Language Stubs category rather than in the Austro-Asiatic language stubs cat. I've tried fiddling with it, but I don't know what's wrong. I'd started going through all the lang-stub articles to sub-cat them, but it's a waste of time if I'll just have to do it again because of this. kwami (talk) 09:06, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Server lag. Mind you, since that stub template hasn't reached the required threshold for a separate Category:Austro-Asiatic language stubs, and no such category was proposed, why did you create one? Grutness...wha? 09:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't. It was already there, listed with the lang stub-tagged articles. I merely reified the category it linked to. kwami (talk) 09:32, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I moved 200 articles to sub-cats. Once the AA template kicks in (I guess it took me starting the category to activate the template?), about another fifty should be removed. kwami (talk) 12:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I misread that above. The category hadn't reached the required threshold? I have no idea what you're talking about. I wanted to prune the main template by using the dedicated sub-templates, and there was already one there for AA--used on dozens of articles--so I used it on the rest of the AA langs. If the links show up on the main page, we can't tell which stubs are properly tagged until we open them all up, which is a waste of time. Some of the pa- and na- articles have been sitting there for years without being properly tagged, so it looked like it needed cleaning up. kwami (talk) 18:13, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Read WP:STUBS, and/or the instructionss at the top of WP:WSS/P. Stub templates are deliberately left upmerged in more general categories until they have enough articles (60) using them for their own categories. Then those categories are proposed at WP:WSS/P. In this case, the template was deliberately upmerged, and there was no proposal for a separate category. Grutness...wha? 21:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm trying to figure out a stub for Fire ring, which has had {{stub}} on it for a week or so. It just strikes me as odd that, while there are some specific (and very specific) game stubs, there's no {{Leisure-stub}} or {{Recreation-stub}}. {{Outdoor-recreation-stub}} might be good for this specific article. But I don't have a bunch of example leisure or recreation stub articles, it just seems like most other general categories have a parent stub, and this category doesn't. Dave Smith (talk) 21:37, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure there's been some suggestion of a stub type for outdoor pursuits in the past (on this page, IIRC, but it would need a search through the archives), and it's probably a reasonable idea for a template at least. Time to officially propose one at WP:WSS/P? I'd favour {{Bushcraft-stub}} for this one, but don't know whether that's a worldwide term or specific to Australia and New Zealand. A generic leisure-stub may be a good idea, though. Grutness...wha? 00:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How are you even suppposed to propose a stub?! I can't find anywhere to type it..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fffgg (talkcontribs) 20:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Go to this page's project page (Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals). Find the current month header - at the top of that is a section marked "NEW PROPOSALS". Click on the edit link for that section and type in your new proposal. Grutness...wha? 23:18, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

??? i can't find the edit link for that!!!Fffgg (talk) 19:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Try this. Cheers, Pegship (talk) 21:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

THANKS!!!!!!!!!Fffgg (talk) 16:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Forum query[edit]

I have a proposal to standardise stub templates. Where should I propose this? Skomorokh 16:55, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Stub sorting would probably be best - but be warned, such proposals have been made in the past, and don't necessarily go down well. Stub templates are deliberately not standardised, since things which work best for some can be extremely problematic with others (e.g., flags work well as icons for nation-specific templates, but have caused edit-warring at various Cyprus-related stub templates). The asbox discussions of a few months back were the last attempt to standardise. Grutness...wha? 23:45, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, thanks for the pointer. Skomorokh 00:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to propose what essentially is already in existence as {{asbox}}. Having read the talkpage, there would not seem to be any insurmountable objections, but it would take a group of interested and technically-adept editors and perhaps a centralised discussion to implement. Skomorokh 00:19, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

History of Transylvania

History of Transylvania has 12 subcategories with 66 articles. There are a great many Transylvania-related stubs not marked as such (eg. Gelu). Transylvania is a special historical and geographical, albeit currently not administrative region which was first mentioned in 1075. Articles for history are split between Hungary and Romania-related articles, although in many cases a Transylvanian history-stub would be more appropriate as an alternative or as bridge between the two.

Currently {{Card-videogame-stub}} is adding the pages it's on both to Category:video game stubs and its own Category:card game stubs. Category:video game stubs also currently has a backlog, which this is contributing to. If {{Card-videogame-stub}} already has its own personal category, then why add it to the generic category too? Can someone please fix this, so that the Video Game Stubs category can be removed from the backlog list? Thanks. --vgmddg (look | talk | do) 23:47, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Is there any particular reason why July listings are being made on the June page, or is this an error which should be corrected? --GW 20:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


The project Wikipedia:WikiProject Stubsensor is up an running again after a long break. Not sure if/how it should fit into the catigories here. but wanted to leave a note. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 16:16, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Tibet Post International (TPI)[edit]

The Tibet Post International

1st Floor, Dolkhang House
Jogiwara Road

P.O. McLeod Ganj - 176219 Kangra District Himachal Pradesh, India Telephone: 941-814-3289 Email:, Trilingual website: Tibetan: Chinese:

1. Summary of Proposed Programme

The Tibet Post Project 2010-2011

 Trilingual Online Daily Newspaper  Bi-Monthly English Language Print Journal  Journalism-In-Exile Workshop/Seminar

Country/Regions of Focus:

• 3 provinces of Tibet: Kham, Amdho, Utsang • Dharamsala, India • Tibetan communities-in-exile abroad

Proposed Start Date: September 1, 2010 Proposed End Date: August 31, 2011


By the end of 2011 The Tibet Post International (TPI) newspaper, a trilingual online newspaper currently with eight daily staff members (two salaried, seven volunteer), aims to expand to eleven daily staff members, eight of whom will be salaried. An increase in office resources will also be required to support the expansion.

To supplement our daily online newspaper, we plan to begin publishing bi-monthly the first English-language print journal by, and for, Tibetans-in-exile. Focusing on the highlights of the previous two weeks, the print journal will include news specifically relevant to diasporic Tibetan communities.

A third component of our expansion plans involve organizing and facilitating an annual workshop/seminar geared toward providing practical experience and a theoretical background to aspiring young Tibetan journalists-in-exile.


In 1959, thousands of Tibetans joined together in the uprising against the Chinese invasion. The brutal Chinese response set in place a new regime of oppression, torture and murder in the Tibetan plateau. Owing to the inconceivable suffering that the Tibetan people have endured to this day, Tibetan cultural identity is under threat of extinction. The invasion of Tibet not only forced thousands of Tibetans, including its spiritual leader His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama, into exile, but also severed communication between Tibetans and the outside world.

His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama’s message:

“In a true and ideal democratic system, freedom of speech is recognized as an important element. For that, independent media is essential, as media plays a vital role in people’s daily lives.

Therefore, our media should always try to enlighten and educate the general public by covering world affairs as well as providing general information, particularly news related to Tibet.

This social responsibility should be upheld in the most dedicated manner, and consistently for as long as the need exists.”

The experiences of the past fifty years, in which Tibetan journalists-in-exile have had considerable engagement with the outside world, have shown that Tibetan journalists have much to contribute to the struggle for global peace. We believe that the Tibetan-in-exile media has a responsibility to work toward freedom of expression for Tibetans everywhere. The members of TPI are ready to assume the responsibility for carrying forward the struggle for freedom of expression, and to inform the world of the situation in Tibet.

Tibetans in Tibet maintain the hope that those in exile will perpetuate their culture and traditions which are struggling for survival in Chinese-occupied Tibet. Channels of communication such as a free press and internet access, which they are denied to the Tibetan population by the Chinese government, are essential in this pursuit. In China, the government maintains strict authoritarian control over the content and presentation of its state-owned media. TPI aims to contribute to the establishment of a strong Tibetan media-in-exile; we hope to enable every aspiring journalist in Himachal Pradesh to practice and protect free media values, to overcome external and internal constraints including language barriers, and to remain guided by the principles of non-violence and compassion.


1. To continue to provide fair and accurate news of the situation and developments within Tibet to our international readership, including those in China.

2. To employ a multicultural, multilingual editorial staff that encourages discussion and debate, from different perspectives, on current issues related to Tibet and Tibetans.

3. To inform and engage members of the Tibetan diaspora and others, especially English speaking foreigners, about developments within Tibet, and of issues related specifically to the communities-in-exile.

4. To support English language acquisition and awareness of current events for Tibetan youths in-exile in both schools and the greater community.

5. To encourage and support the needs of Tibetan journalists-in-exile through professional development.

6. To promote and encourage greater knowledge among Tibetan journalists about the democratic government-in-exile, social, political, health, and environmental issues.



The Tibet Post will continue to produce its daily-updated trilingual online journal — the only one of its kind — which includes unbiased news reports relating to Tibetans from inside Tibet, Tibetan communities-in-exile, and international news. Currently, we have two salaried employees – the Assistant Editor and one correspondent. All seven other daily staff members, including our Editor-in-Chief, Accounts/Office Manager, Chinese and English language Editors, and three Staff Writers, work without pay. Our expansions call for four new paid positions: one Secretary/Assistant Editor, one Project Manager, and two Correspondent Staff Writers (from Nepal and South India). In addition, three currently volunteer positions – Editor-in-Chief, Chinese language Editor, and Accountant/Office Manager – will become salaried positions.

These proposed increases will enable us to cover a wider array of Tibet-related news more thoroughly, including on-location feature reportage. The addition of two correspondents from Tibetan communities-in-Exile will allow for greater dialogue and awareness within Tibetan diaspora communities. As it stands, the majority of our news about Tibetans-in-exile comes from Dharamsala, where we are based.

In addition to taking on staff from different locations, our expansion plans include employment of staff of diverse cultural backgrounds as well. Since the exile in 1959, India has generously allowed the majority of Tibetan exile communities to exist within her borders. Sadly, despite Tibetans’ fifty year history here, day-to-day relations between Tibetans and Indians are often either strained or nonexistent. The community of journalists-in-exile has to date done little to remedy this rift; there are currently no journalists of Indian ancestry on the staff of any Tibetan newspapers-in-exile. We believe that we have a rare opportunity to begin bridging this gap and fostering vital cross-cultural idea-sharing dialogue. We seek to be the first newspaper-in-exile to employ staff members native to our host country.

The increase in staff numbers will obviously necessitate an increase in office supplies and essential journalistic equipment. Our current funding has afforded The Tibet Post three working desktop computers, one inkjet printer, one audio recorder, and one digital camera. Our expansion plans require an additional office


computer, audio recorder, and

digital camera (with backup batteries), and a laser printer. Power outages can be a daily occurrence in McLeod Ganj, Dharamsala, and loss of information occasionally occurs from computers shutting down unexpectedly. Our plans call for a power inverter to surmount this problem.


Within exile communities, there exist a considerably large number of young Tibetans who regularly read English language newspapers. This can be attributed to the ubiquity of the major publications (e.g. Times of India, Indian Express, Hindustan Times), coupled with younger generations’ continued pursuit to improve their English. There are currently no bimonthly English-language print newspapers produced by, or for, members of the Tibetan communities-in-exile.

Articles for our proposed print journal will be drawn directly from the website itself, highlighting the most important events of the previous two weeks, and focusing specifically on topics of interest to members of the exile communities. The primary objective in creating the first English language print newspaper for Tibetan exile communities is to engage young Tibetan readers in local, national and international issues, and to improve their mastery of the English language in doing so.

A second objective of printing in English, the most commonly-spoken universal language, is to engage foreigners in the happenings and struggles of Tibetans-in-exile. The Tibetan communities of Dharamsala, Kathmandu, Mysore, and many others locations host a multitude of international expatriates, international NGO workers, and interested tourists seeking to involve themselves in Tibet-related issues.

Currently, print journals from within the communities-in-exile are of two forms: monthly English language journals and weekly Tibetan language journals. Bimonthly English language reporting will allow us to explore issues more thoroughly than competitive journals-in-exile that go to press less frequently.

Our prototype issue measures 11” x 17”. Each issue will be 6-8 pages, published in black and white, with a projected distribution of 2400 copies per edition, of which 1400 copies will be distributed for free. 750 free copies will be distributed to around fifteen Tibetan schools-in-exile in Nepal and India and 650 free copies will go to Tibetan monasteries and nunneries-in-exile. The remaining 1000 copies will be sold for 5 Indian rupees ($ 0.10) each.


Sadly, most current Tibetan journalists-in-exile are not professionally trained; hence there exists a tremendous need to educate journalists on the role of media and on safeguarding Freedom of Speech, as outlined in Article 12 of the Charter of the Tibetan Government-in-Exile. Experience shows that aspiring Tibetan journalists pursuing mastery in news reporting require guidance, practice, and encouragement in order to hone their craft and improve their self-confidence in the field. In the absence of such nurturance, budding journalists lose interest and will, which negatively impacts both general awareness of issues within Tibetan communities, and the strength of the Tibetans’ collective voice.

In order to support Tibetan journalists and promote democracy through free expression, The Tibet Post will also facilitate an annual workshop/seminar on engaged journalism geared primarily, but not exclusively, toward training aspiring Tibetan journalists-in-exile in discharging their journalistic duties in a democratic, unbiased manner.

Topics & Teachers

Sessions for the workshop/seminar will occur over a two-day period, with students participating in a different workshop each day. They will cover such topics as Hands-On Reporting, Journalistic Responsibilities & Ethics, Media & Democracy, Crafting Articles, Photography Training, and The History of Media-in-Exile, and be taught by experts in the field. We will be employing three journalists, each to teach two workshops, from different ethnic backgrounds (Tibetan, Indian, Chinese, American, Nepalese, etc.) to provide participants with scope, breadth, and varied perspectives on journalism.


Workshops will consist of a combination of the following formats, decided upon by facilitating teachers and our project manager: whole group lecture/discussion, small group dialogue about reading assignment, investigative fieldwork (where applicable), written assignment/assessment.

To facilitate free and fair discussion, and to create a valuable exchange of ideas, the workshop/seminar will include evening lecture/discussion forums wherein experts from different fields (e.g. dignitaries from the Tibetan Parliament-in-Exile and the Dept. of Information and International Relations; journalistic, legal, and political scholars; experienced media commentators) will be invited to address issues covered by members of our workshop/seminar.


Participants will be asked to rank their workshop preferences ahead of time, and priority will be given to their choices when determining rosters. We are expecting 35 participants, all of whom will receive free meals and supplies. Following the workshop/seminar participants will be encouraged to submit articles to The Tibet Post both online and print versions, and to become regular contributors. V. EVALUATION PLAN


Indicators: 1. Improvement in quality of publications

2. Increase in volume of articles published

3. Increase in firsthand and exclusive reportage

4. Increase in volume of online readership

Means of verification:

1. a) Analysis of feedback surveys from online readers prior to, and at the conclusion of the project, including questions about their opinion on quality of reportage, breadth of news coverage, and overall approval of publication will indicate reader satisfaction with qualitative changes as a result of project implementation.

b) Frequent reader feedback from alternative channels (email, letters, personal visits) about observations and opinions about general changes in publication will serve as more casual indicators of reader satisfaction as a result of project implementation.

c) Requested feedback and insight from experts in the field (i.e. Indian and Tibetan journalists, academic professionals, members of Tibetan Parliament-in-Exile) will inform quality of reportage and provide valuable insider perspectives about how The Tibet Post compares with competitive publications.

2. Quantitative monthly comparison of the total volume of articles published online one year before (2009/10) and one year after (2010/11) the projected expansion will indicate progress made in volume of reportage and the breadth of news coverage.

3. Quantitative monthly comparison of the total volume of firsthand and exclusive articles published online one year before (2009/10) and one year after (2010/11) the projected expansion will indicate progress made in ability to seek out new stories and afford writers opportunities for investigative fieldwork.


Indicators: 1. Positive reception of print newspaper

2. Use of newspaper as learning tool

Means of verification:

1. a) Determining on-going total readership from sale of print newspaper combined with downloadable online version will indicate overall approval of product.

b) Frequent detachable feedback surveys inside the newspaper itself including questions about readers’ opinions on quality of reportage, breadth of news coverage, and overall approval of publication will indicate reader satisfaction with print journal.

2. Ongoing communication with school administrators and teachers (emails, visits, surveys) about frequency of use of newspaper in classroom and accessibility of writing level for students.


Indicators: 1. Professional development of participants

2. Participant satisfaction with workshop/seminar

Means of verification:

1. a) Qualitative and quantitative comparisons of articles written by participants before and after workshop/seminar (including those submitted to Tibet Post) will indicate how successful program is in developing participants’ journalistic skills.

2. a) Feedback surveys conducted at the conclusion of the workshop/seminar regarding participants’ thoughts on its quality, necessity and usefulness, what they learned, and how they will implement their new knowledge will serve as indicator of participant satisfaction and growth.

b) Follow-up with participants regarding their sustained interest and/or pursuance of careers in journalism will act as partial measure of their satisfaction with the workshop/seminar.


The Tibet Post International (TPI), a Tibetan news press based in McLeod Ganj, India, is an independent non-profit media organization founded by a group of young Tibetan journalists with the primary goal of promoting democracy through freedom of expression within Tibetan communities, both in exile and under occupation in Tibet. To support the ongoing struggle of Tibetans everywhere, we promote peace and the preservation of human rights through our trilingual daily online newspaper.

The Tibet Post International is the newest non-profit organization in Dharamshala formed by Tibetan refugees, started in 2008. Their registration status as a non-profit is currently underway.

On December 10th 2007, TPI temporarily launched and tested a trilingual website,, in English, Tibetan, and Chinese. It was the first independent trilingual daily online newspaper-in-exile, and remains the only one in existence. The Tibet Post focuses on Tibet-related issues, closely following the developments inside Tibet as well as reporting on the activities and workings of the exile democratic institutions. We seek to provide truthful, reliable information concerning the situation in Tibet over the last fifty years, as well as addressing the current social, political, economic, and educational needs of Tibetan people.

Unlike other Tibetan newspapers-in-exile, we believe that truly democratic news coverage focuses attention equally on people from all strata of society—from dignitaries and world leaders to those struggling with poverty and oppression. Recent topics covered include His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s current views on an autonomous Tibetan state, Tibetan political prisoners being denied basic human rights, and the financial difficulties of Tibetan momo street vendors.

Censorship is the antithesis of democratic news coverage. Reporters Without Borders (RSF), an international freedom of press watchdog organization with which we are affiliated, has classified Chinese restrictions on reportage as “very serious.” After analyzing our systems, Greg Walton, a web tracker from RSF, estimated that approximately 60% of our readers are logging on from inside China. The Tibet Post is currently the only online Tibetan newspaper-in-exile with a readership of this magnitude, and the only one that can claim a majority of Chinese readers. We believe it is important for Chinese citizens to have access to sources of news beyond the confines of what their government allows.

Our content management system indicates that, as of the writing of this proposal, we have had 3,904,220 online guests since our inception May 11th 2008. We maintain a general readership of between 500 and 1,000 online guests at any given time, with a recent one-time record readership of 4,741 guests, and a total of 5,000-7,500 guests per day.

Our daily team currently includes two salaried employees and seven volunteers. On salary is the assistant editor, and one correspondent, while our volunteers include a Tibetan Editor-in-Chief, a Taipei correspondent/editor of the Chinese version, an American correspondent/editor of the English version, two Staff Writers and an Accounts/Office Manager. TPI’s Board of Directors consists of four members in total, serving three year long terms in the office. Board of Directors includes Thupten Phelgye, member of Tibetan Parliament in exile, Yeshe Choesang YC. Dhardhowa, editor in chief and founder of The Tibet Post International, Thupten Yarphel, Tibetan writer and manager of the Namgyal Monastery library, and Ven. Loten, a staff writer.



1. Editor-in-Chief………………...……Yeshe Choesang Dhardhowa (volunteer, full time) 2. Accountant/Office Manager…..……Ven. Phuntsok Dhondup (volunteer, full time) 3. Editor (Chinese)……………….……Keary Huan (Volunteer, Taiwan, full time) 4. Editor (English)………………..……Alex O. Bleecker (Volunteer, USA, part time) 5. Editor (Tibetan)………….…………Yang Sham (Salaried, full time) 6. Staff Writer (Tibetan)………………Sangje Dorjee (Salaried, full time) 7. Staff Writer (English).………………Evelin Nõmmiste (Volunteer, Estonia, part time) 8. Staff Writer …………………..…… Ven. Loten (volunteer, part time) 9. Online Editor…..................................... Amy Marie Elmgren (volunteer, part time)


Currently, The Tibet Post is funded exclusively by the Regional Parliament of Trentino-South Tyrol, Italy, who provides us with an annual grant of 4,000 €. While this is quite generous of them, it is not sufficient to support our planned expansion. None of the plans proposed herein are currently being funded by any other organizations.

REFERENCES — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ychoesang (talkcontribs) 09:14, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Redirecting this talk page[edit]

I think it would make sense to redirect this talk page to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting. This page isn't used much - and when it is it's often incorrectly used to propose stubs (such as the Tibetan comments above). Mostly the same people watch both pages, so are there any objections? Grutness...wha? 00:18, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NO objections from someone who very rarely checks any of the project talk pages, (Could we redirect them all?). Waacstats (talk) 13:22, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I wondered about that - but the Discoveries talk page does get a few more comments on it. Might be worthwhile though -especially with some of the less-travelled pages. Grutness...wha? 21:39, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]