Talk:Aleeta curvicosta
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File:Floury Baker cicada side.JPG to appear as POTD[edit]
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Floury Baker cicada side.JPG will be appearing as picture of the day on June 13, 2013. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2013-06-13. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:23, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Offline refs[edit]
- Emery, D.L., Emery, S.J., Emery, N.J. and Popple, L.W. (2005) A phenological study of the cicadas (Hemiptera: Cicadidae) in western Sydney, New South Wales, with notes on plant associations. Australian Entomologist, 32, 97–110.
- Ewart, A. (2001a) Emergence patterns and densities of cicadas (Hemiptera: Cicadidae) near Caloundra, south-east Queensland. Australian Entomologist, 28, 69–84.
- Anyone got access? --99of9 (talk) 13:06, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- User:Casliber might. If not, try asking at WP:REX. SmartSE (talk) 13:12, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Surprised - not in UNSW library. Might be able to be gotten on interlibary loan....will look into it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:45, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Wow, strange, I thought that would be a sure thing. I'm not in the country for another month and a half sorry. --99of9 (talk) 20:50, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- It's at Sydney Uni if anyone can get there or interlibrary it. --99of9 (talk) 20:54, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Surprised - not in UNSW library. Might be able to be gotten on interlibary loan....will look into it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:45, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- User:Casliber might. If not, try asking at WP:REX. SmartSE (talk) 13:12, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Anyone got access? --99of9 (talk) 13:06, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
GA Review[edit]
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Reviewer: Yzx (talk · contribs) 17:12, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I'll take a look at this one. Comments to follow. -- Yzx (talk) 17:12, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- Images OK
- References OK
- Not a deal-breaker for GA, but generally articles shouldn't have references in the intro. The intro should be a summary of referenced facts in the article body
- medium-large-sized -- do you mean "moderately large" or "medium to large"?
- Since Aleeta is a redirect to this article, it should be bolded in the taxobox and an authority provided
- Both the common names and the name of the genus are -- this construction is ambiguous, suggest "and the genus name are"
- dark infuscations at the base of two of their apical cells -- "infuscation" and "apical cell" are technical terms. In the intro, they should be linked or explained or replaced with more common terms
- "apex/apical" and "cell" can be seen at the link Glossary_of_entomology_terms#apex (now linked in lead). "infuscation" is shorthand entomologically for dark brown to black discoloration. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:28, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- larger animals associated with higher rainfall -- do you mean geographical areas with higher rainfall, or time periods of higher rainfall?
- typically emerge throughout a three-month period from late November to late February -- I'm not sure how this relates to the earlier statement about how they are common from November to May
- the latter is when they emerge ...and hence can be seen for some time afterwards, hence the first period is longer. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:20, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps it would be clearer then to combine the two sentences as "Mature individuals typically emerge through a three-month period from late November to late February, and live for two to four weeks"? -- Yzx (talk) 05:32, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
- ok, I like that - changed. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:40, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, I reverted. We don't have a lifespan for this species - the 2-4 weeks is typical of large cicadas, but there is variation between species. The 2-4 week info in the main body is able to couch and explain this, but we don't have space in the lead, and it might mislead readers into thinking that this species lives 2-4 weeks, whereas without further study, that's just a reasonable guess.--99of9 (talk) 11:47, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
- ok, I like that - changed. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:40, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps it would be clearer then to combine the two sentences as "Mature individuals typically emerge through a three-month period from late November to late February, and live for two to four weeks"? -- Yzx (talk) 05:32, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
- the latter is when they emerge ...and hence can be seen for some time afterwards, hence the first period is longer. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:20, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- They are preyed upon -- it would be better for this statement to be singular, since the rest of the intro is
- Germar had not specified a location within Australia -- it sounds like the type locality is somewhere in Australia? In that case it's not completely unknown, and the previous sentence should reflect this
- The fact that tephrogaster is a junior synonym is never mentioned (it would also be helpful to rearrange the taxobox synonym list so that recombinations of the original name are grouped together)
- added. taxobox synonyms were in chronological order - rearranged. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:30, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- Thus the species was known as Tibicen curvicostus, T. tephrogaster and finally Abricta curvicosta from 1906 -- this implies that the name of the species changed chronologically as Tibicen curvicostus -> Tibicen tephrogaster -> Abrica curvicosta, which doesn't sound right to me. Are you certain it wasn't that C. tephrogaster was moved to Abricta/Tibicen and then was synonymized with A. curvicostus? -- Yzx (talk) 05:32, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
- added. taxobox synonyms were in chronological order - rearranged. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:30, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- However, a review of the genus in 2003 showed it to be a disparate group of species -- what "it" refers to is ambiguous here
- Information about the size is split up between two paragraphs, disrupting the flow; the same for coloration
- Terms like "infuscation", "periodic array" should be explained, "ovipositor" should be linked in its first occurrence, and "cuticle" should be linked
- 'infuscation' explained, 'periodic array' replaced with 'repeating pattern' which it essentially is, 'ovipositor' now linked at first instance.
working on last....Arthropod cuticle Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:54, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
- 'infuscation' explained, 'periodic array' replaced with 'repeating pattern' which it essentially is, 'ovipositor' now linked at first instance.
- The article on opercula doesn't explain what this structure is in insects; putting a short note there would be helpful
- What is a "distress call"?
- "dominant frequency" should be linked or explained
- The abdominal air sacs act as a resonant chamber -- the article hasn't previously established that the species has these sacs
- What is a "free song"?
- when clustered together can attain sufficient volume to repel birds -- is this intentional? And how does this occur?
- I'd say it's been evolutionarily selected for, I doubt the cicadas are thinking about birds when they decide to cluster. The volumes of each cicada simply add up. However... I included that info from a general ref about cicadas in general, and have since seen that the floury baker is "solitary", so maybe this doesn't apply at all to them. --99of9 (talk) 22:35, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- Seems like the discussion of the differences between Aleeta and Tyrella belongs under taxonomy, since it's the justification for splitting up Abricta
- but are most commonly on species in the Myrtaceae family -- should be "are most common on" or "most commonly on"
- It may be better to put life cycle before behavior, so that readers know what emergence and nymphs are before they get to the section about nymphal food plants and such
- Putting all information on emergence together under life cycle would make it easier to read
- I think the sentence on the effects of oviposition on branches should be put under life cycle with the rest of the oviposition information
- and these are expected to also be nymphal food plants -- this should be a separate sentence
- find a crack in the soil which they burrow down -- awkward wording
- "moulting" and "metabolic rate" should be linked
- Bird predation of the adult cicada is a common sight -- maybe just "is common"?
- Since you didn't capitalize the common names of the cicada, you shouldn't capitalize the names of the birds or lizard for consistency
- ✔ done (apart from Torresian which seems to be a proper noun) --99of9 (talk) 13:31, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
- Australian cicadas are also preyed on by the cicada killer wasp (Exeirus lateritius), which stings and paralyses cicadas high in the trees, making them drop to the ground where the cicada-hunter mounts and carries them, pushing with its hind legs, sometimes over a distance of 100 meters, until they can be shoved down into its burrow, where the numb cicada is placed onto one of many shelves in a 'catacomb', to form the food-stock for the wasp grub that grows out of the egg deposited there -- this is a very long run-on sentence that should be split up
- I don't like the title "Cultural uses and references" since there's also a "References" section. Suggest "human interactions" or "relationship to humans" or some such
- A poem dedicated to the Floury Baker -- common name is capitalized here when it isn't earlier. Also, who was the author?
- Is The Catholic Press a newspaper? Magazine? Also it should be italicized
- It's not mentioned under behavior that the adults feed on sap
- The Commons link should be fully under "see also" or "external links"
The article is good on comprehensiveness. It could just use some tweaks to readability and flow. -- Yzx (talk) 18:18, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- Re "compared to some other Australian species nearly two orders of magnitude more dense, and some American Periodical Cicadas occurring at "super-abundant" densities of over one million per hectare" - is this context necessary. Ceoil (talk) 21:26, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- "with forewings between 3 and 5.1 cm (1.4–2 in) long" - "spanning"? Ceoil (talk) 20:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm satisfied that my issues have been addressed, so I'm promoting the article. Great job! -- Yzx (talk) 05:54, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
"The floury baker's distinctive appearance and loud call make it popular with children"....Maybe with pugsly addams.....a giant hairy scary looking bug popular with children? Right. I'd think if there was ever a call for a source on a claim, this would qualify. 96.39.10.138 (talk) 14:39, 10 March 2014 (UTC) Zencycle
- It is sourced down the bottom of the article - yes kids collect these critters and trade them. Probably not so much these days with the advent of the Nintendo DS but still....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:17, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
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