Talk:California State Polytechnic University, Pomona/Archive 1

Please do not post copyrighted images

Two users (or the same user with two usernames) have posted photgraphs from http://e-advancement.csupomona.edu/film/gallery.html on this and other pages, and claimed "no rights reserved". The claim is false; these images are the property of Cal Poly Pomona and are not licensed for use in Wikipedia (and no one ever bothered to ask for permission, either).

This is Not a Good Thing for two reasons:

1. It's against the law, and may at some time subject both Wikipedia and the registered users to liability.
2. It is not NPOV. The photos were taken by the campus photographer, and selected to show the university in a good light (literally and figuratively). We can write our own public relations pieces; Wikipedia should show all aspects of the campus, good, bad, and ugly.

So please stop.--Curtis Clark 17:17, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Architecture rename

ar·chi·tec·ture (ärk-tkchr) n.

1. The art and science of designing and erecting buildings.
2. Buildings and other large structures: the low, brick-and-adobe architecture of the Southwest.
3. A style and method of design and construction: Byzantine architecture.
4. Orderly arrangement of parts; structure: the architecture of the federal bureaucracy; the architecture of a novel.
5. Computer Science. The overall design or structure of a computer system, including the hardware and the software required to run it, especially the internal structure of the microprocessor.

Okay, while it doesn't fit the first definition you are thinking of, it definitely fits the second one. There really wasn't a reason to rename it, as doing so closes any possible discussion of some of the campus' unique architecture that the campus DOES have, eliminating any possibility of discussing the first definition. I am not strongly opposing the edit, but find it somewhat frivilous and that it should be noted that didn't serve to improve the article in my opinion. -- Akosygin 22:59, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinion Akosygin regarding my "frivolous" edit. In my defense I would point out that no CA State University has a section on "notable campus architecture". Most do not discuss campus buildings at all. The few that do, mention one or two buildings. Furthermore, our notable architecture section did not discuss architecture. It was and is a directory of campus buildings. In my opinion it should be condensed, but at the very least, it does not warrant an unnecessarily pompous title at this time.

Despite your assertion, changing the section title in no way prevents discussion of campus architecture. By all means, develop the section further, although I would ask that you focus on buildings that are truly remarkable from the architectural perspective, such as those that have won awards or been designed by world class architects. Please also provide references.

I do find your concern for the section title rather curious though, given the strident opposition to presenting any semblance of a discussion of student life at Cal Poly. Compared to numerous other Uni articles, this is highly unusual and poorly serves our readers. In fact, I would argue that our approach completely ignores the interests of our readers. Maybe this slant is due to the campus employees that have sought to maintain the page. Whatever the explanation, somehow I think that those contributing here have forgotten, or are desperately trying to forget, that students sometimes inhabit the campus's "unique" architecture. -- JJay 01:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I do not oppose individuals putting up information about student organizations, I just disagree with the POV some people put in the descriptions. And as a good guideline, if you think of an important event on campus, then relate the organization with the event, you would give it a more neutral perspective to it without the slant. But that is straying the subject here and should be discussed in the section below.

Back to the original topic, I apologize if my wording caused offense, I did not mean to do so. However, I know that we have an architectual design department that has done some work on campus, but I was hoping that the wording of the original title might encourage contribution from someone whom was more familiar on the topic than I. And hence, that is why I oppose the change, but not to the level of demand or doing a revert. It is fine, but it is just that I would not have made that change, that is all. -- Akosygin 09:19, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Article title

I would strongly suggest that the name of this article be changed to "California State Polytechnic University, Pomona". I don't think that informal names should be used for the article title. However, when I tried to move the article, it seemed to prevent me from doing so. --Cswrye 02:15, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

"Cal Poly Pomona" is an official name of the University, in the sense that it is the text of the University logotype, it's used all over the official web pages (it was like that even before I was web coordinator), and extensively elsewhere. You probably couldn't move it because there is already a redirect, which IMO is the appropriate way to handle it. --Curtis Clark 03:15, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I also disagree with Curtis and I strong feel that the article name should be changed. If they are both official names, then "California State Polytechnic University, Pomona" should be used. It is Wikipedia policy to not use the abbreviated form for article titles. The opening line of the article even refers to it as "California State Polytechnic University, Pomona". Replacing the redirect on the California State Polytechnic University, Pomona page with this content and putting a redirect on the Cal Poly Pomona page would not be difficult. PS2pcGAMER 04:45, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know how to contact Cavebear42? Also, I agree with Curtis Clark on the redirect. I disagree with the addition of notable graduates. I don't think being a published director of a specific university's program is alone qualifying. Maybe a university president, Nobel Prize recipient or director of the National Institutes of Health or something similar that affects numerous individuals. With the criteria currently employed hundreds of alumni could be added, including myself. --134.71.99.87 08:18, Jun 29, 2005 (UTC)

The noted graduate is as noted as the noted faculty. I eliminated the noted faculty some days ago, arguing that anyone who lacked a Wikipedia article was not notable. Someone restored it, so I added a section on notable graduates (after all, we are about our students, not about our faculty), with the one entry for whom I had information at hand. Yes, there are plenty of others, and if we are going to continue this dispute, I would hope that others would add more, but I'd as soon let it all go, especially since places like Berkeley have mostly blue links, not red links, in their notable section. --Curtis Clark 30 June 2005 05:32 (UTC)

[I disagree with your removal of the list of notable faculty, and I have restored it.] --134.71.99.87 07:35, Jul 10, 2005 (UTC)

I apologize for my haste in taking down the original "red-letter" list. It makes a lot more sense to create articles for notable people. I'm glad you took the time to write an article for Uesugi. I took your verbiage for Dr. Landau and created a stub. Feel free to add to it.--Curtis Clark 14:34, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

AFD: Not a license for spam

It is incredibly irresponsible to close an AFD by choosing to merge a spam article with a legitimate one. Recently on this article some alumni tried to promote their company--obviously spam. If they had created an entire spam article, would the AFD recommend merging it?

Why do I say it's spam? It's POV, and there is no other student organization explicitly mentioned. If the proponents of the spamming fraternity (or their misguided allies) insist on continuing to add it back, I will create an article Student Organizations at Cal Poly Pomona and invite all the student organizations to contribute.

Disclaimer: I'm the Web Coordinator at Cal Poly Pomona. My agenda here is to push NPOV, and part of that is preventing spam.--Curtis Clark 20:55, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

You should have participated in the Afd, but you didn't. The AfD closed as merge. I'll be happy to add info on other student organizations. But I would remind you that you do not own this article. -- JJay 22:05, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Nor, emphatically, do a group of people who participate in an AFD for another article. I fail to see the logic in an action on another article having an irreversible effect on an article the contents of which were not considered in the action, and upon which no notice was placed that material would be irreversibly merged into it. As usual, I'll continue to do what needs to be done, which in this case will eventually result in someone else choosing to split a by-then overly long Cal Poly Pomona.--Curtis Clark 00:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I removed the references about the article for deletion vote from the article. That doesn't belong in encyclopedia (see: WP:ASR).

Neither does the fraternity reference, certainly not standing alone as it does.--Curtis Clark 04:27, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I also removed the POV. Personally, I'm not sure if I would have merged that into the article, but now that is has been, the POV needed to be removed. -- PS2pcGAMER 02:23, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

The merge makes perfect sense since this is a student group on campus. Frankly, the article needs better content because it looks like advertising for the school. This raises POV problems given that it sounds like it was written by someone in the Cal Poly administration,

A quick look at the history confirms that this is not the case, except inasmuch as the contributors might have copied from the University Catalog. IMO I am the first "Cal Poly administrator" to have contributed to Wikipedia, and all my edits are under my name (my actual name).

is not referenced

Which makes it among a tiny minority of Wikipedia articles...

and misleading. I have already corrected one problem with the school's ranking and intend to continue. -- JJay 03:40, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate your corrections, and I hope you continue. I just wish you hadn't merged the spam.--Curtis Clark 04:27, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

First, I didn't merge anything.

My misstatement, but you did revert the deletion of the merger twice.

Second, the text concerns a group of students active on campus. There is nothing unusual about mentioning student groups on a university page. Cal Poly is a university, right? -- JJay 04:49, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. Now that the POV is toned down, maybe we can get some other student organizations as well.--Curtis Clark 04:57, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

There is something engineered here about adding fraternity information as the first and only organization. It's just plain salesmanship, bravado, whatever one wants to call it. Basically, it's meaningless and there is no room for dribble such as this. If every club stuffs their info into this page it will be thousands of words longer and contain some really offensive verbiage about fringe issues. Incidentally, I don't see all the fraternities listed at other universities. I guess I can see a reason if it's the first fraternity in the nation or perhaps a historically significant feeder organization, such as Yale's Skull and Bones, but a generic fraternity is not either of these. I would approve of links but not sections.

Also, I would approve of this better if every fraternity and sorority on campus was added at the same time. Incidentally, the added text non-standardly links off site from Wikipedia. Okay, I think what I'll do is wait and see how this is handled. If I think it's handled inappropriately I'll report your fraternity to the campus Office of Student Life for inappropriate behavior, plus your national chapter headquarters for behavior unbecoming a campus fraternal organization that harms the interests of the institution. Are you sure you want to leave the link up? ... --134.71.99.87 09:49, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

It looks like JJay is going to keep reverting the deletion until the cows come home. Since he thinks so highly of votes, I'm going to start one. If an administrator thinks there's a better way to do this, please let us know:

Straw vote to remove list of individual student organizations

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sigma_Chi_Cal_Poly_Pomona ended with the recommendation to merge with Cal Poly Pomona. According to posts at Talk: Articles for Deletion, a vote to merge is not binding on the target article, although the opinion should be taken seriously.

This proposal is to remove the merged text and to recommend against having a list of student organizations.

• Remove - If a subset of organizations is listed, it makes the article POV, since they are most likely to be self-selected. If all organizations are included, the article will be too long, and difficult to maintain as student organizations come and go. No other article about a California State University campus has an explicit list. California State University, Los Angeles has a separate article about the Greek system. California State University, Monterey Bay and California State University, Northridge have paragraphs that mention a subset of student organizations, by name and not with description.--Curtis Clark 05:42, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Of course, I'm going to revert removals from anoms with no edit summary. That is obvious. There is also nothing unusual about mentioning student groups on UNIV pages. On a side note, I am bothered by the promotional tone of the article and the lack of references. -- JJay 05:57, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

1. You've reverted all removals.
2. Please cite references to university sites that have detailed lists of student organizations. I already took the time to look at every California State University in that regard.
3. The "promotional tone" of the article is truly a side note (I would argue that including only a single fraternity increases the promotional tone). There is a simple solution to promotional tone and lack of references, and it's not to force a merger on the article.--Curtis Clark 20:00, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

• Remove - Unless a student organization has done something notable, it should not be listed. First consider whether an event or some participation is important or notable to be included, if that is, then you can consider whether the organization has a notable involvement in the notable event. If the event or contribution to the university is notable, then include the event and the contribution first, then make mention of the organization. The events and history of the university should come foremost and the criteria that the organization must be pivotal in this notable history of the university before it can be included. This will keep the university-centric view without biasing it to a particular organization if the organization is only mentioned as part of a university event or history. Please see Rose Float example. -- Akosygin 19:23, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

• Addendium Comment - Please note that I am voting to remove not because I do not want this section, but I do not want this section if it is going to not conform to Wikipedia's NPOV policy. If people can keep it NPOV and non promotional in its wordings, I am fine, but so when this vote went up, it was somewhat slanted. Currently, I feel it is in that gray area and is debatable. As I have previously mentioned, if a student organization has done something notable, please add it. Otherwise, please be cautious about the wording if you are to just put the organization in without an event or historical significance reference. -- Akosygin 09:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• Remove - A single user is hijacking this Wikipedia page for their own personal promotional interests. I approve remove for the reasons stated above this straw poll and because this forced addition is essentially spam. (I stand by the above statement.) Ingyhere 09:49, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• That statement is completely false and reflects your ignorance. If you were an actual contributor, and not a sock puppet, I might actually be offended. -- JJay 01:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

• "JJay" has made a number of sock-puppet accusations, which is starting to make me wonder whether some of the rest of you are actually "JJay". :-) (I know I'm not "JJay", and "JJay" isn't me.)--Curtis Clark 17:34, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• JJay, please be civil. Accusing someone of sock-puppetry (especially without any evidence) and not "an actual contributor" is hardly fair. PS2pcGAMER (talk) 05:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
• Please. Accusing me of "hijacking" a page for "my own personal promotional interests" is fairly serious and not particularly civil. I'm still waiting for some proof there. That it comes from a user with 8 edits that managed to find this page and "vote" is highly suspicious. -- JJay 14:07, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
• User JJay is altering pages too quickly after they are changed. Please see time stamps. I believe he is running a notifier or some type of bot. If this is not against Wikipedia's TOS then it should be. I do note that JJay's bile is tempered by his fear of being blocked by Wikipedia's reversion guidelines that prevent reversions more than three times in 24 hours. After much consideration on his contributions and edits I can only conclude that he is touching the page solely for the purpose of leaving a mark, much like a graffiti artist spray paints on the wall. These pointless, irrelevant, thoughtless edits amount to nothing more than vandalism. I recommend that this is taken into consideration in evaluating JJay's future edits -- and reevaluating his past edits. Is there a way he can be blocked from editing this page? He already said he has nothing to do with the university which basically is an admission that he knows nothing about it but still insists in making changes ... Ingyhere 09:49, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• I have to admit that I'm somewhat surprised by your post. There have been no edits to California State Polytechnic University, Pomona since 6 February. Perhaps he's running a bot, but maybe he just has the page on his watchlist (the built-in "notifier"), as I do.--Curtis Clark 15:27, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• There is way too much garbage about one troll cluttering this page. He's made his mark, and maybe he is gone now. Since I seldom come here, nor do I 'watch' the page, the changes have more of an impact. I write this to suggest that we remove the voluminous mentions of the guy both by himself and the hordes he offended. And I do think he was using a bot because I don't understand how someone could be on Wikipedia so much of the time that they respond to sporadic changes within seconds. He had no problem changing others posts and his posts were basically pointless, so lets scrub the page of his folly. This is the last I will say about this, perhaps I will do it myself in the future. Ingyhere 02:52, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but I'm still here. Considering you now have a total of ten edits at wikipedia I guess you are entitled to your opinion. However, a large part of your contributions here are personal attacks against me. I would advise you to find a more constructive way of participating. See WP:CIV and WP:NPA. I should also point out that removing comments from talk pages is not common practice here. They are part of the public record and must remain. -- JJay 03:43, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

As much as I hate to agree with JJay ☺, he's absolutely right about not removing content from talk pages. If you did it, I'd revert it. (I did redact some of the argument between myself and 134.71.99.87, because we had both fallen into personal attacks, but it's still in the history.)--Curtis Clark 05:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Rating

I have updated the US News ranking. The Princeton Review claim needs a reference, since a check of the PR's web page shows that the school is not listed [1].

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 10:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Cal Poly Pomona → California State Polytechnic University, Pomona – The more prevalent name of the university, is Cal Poly Pomona and is used by the university itself, in general. However, it is not the full name of the university, and the fact that the CSU Infobox uses the entry title also causes a problem as one cannot really override it. Cannot make a direct move due to previous moves.

Voting

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~

• Support for the reasons in my comment below. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 01:21, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
• Support for the reasons in my comment below -- Inanup 22:33, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
• Support. Vegaswikian 00:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
• Support since it's officially registered under the proposed name and per WP:NC - Spaceriqui 04:41, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
• Support It is a Wikipedia School Project 'POLICY' and as such it needs to be done anyways. -- Akosygin 18:59, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

Comment - I could go either way on this, and I will be glad to do my part to facilitate whatever decision is made, but I do want to point out that "Cal Poly Pomona" constitutes the official logotype of the institution, so it is not an "informal" name, but rather an alternate name.--Curtis Clark 15:55, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Comment - It is registered as "CALIFORNIA STATE POLYTECHNIC UNIVERSITY-POMONA OPE ID: 00114400 IPEDS ID: 110529" at the US Dept. of Education - Spaceriqui 19:01, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Comment. Wikipedia policy for naming schools is that "School article titles should use the full official name of the school as provided by the school itself". This is from a policy page, not a guideline page, so it isn't really up for discussion. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 19:12, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Who would you regard as being "the school itself" in that context?--Curtis Clark 19:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

The school itself is inconsistent in naming itself. Just because it uses Cal Poly Pomona as general-purpose name does not garner it as "official." If so, the University of California, Berkeley page might as well be titled "Cal" because it's badged on shirts and used by the university itself. -- Inanup 19:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

So what does it take to make it happen, since California State Polytechnic University, Pomona already exists as a redirect? I'm assuming a simple move won't work.--Curtis Clark 04:28, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd assume the California State Polytechnic University, Pomona article could just be speedy deleted by the admin. Then the page could be moved there the same way all other pages are moved (so it would keep the edit history and talk pages). --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 05:52, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Noted Faculty members

I have removed Adair from the list because she is not on the faculty. She is dead and I do not believe we should mislead people into believing they might have the possibility of studying with her. I would also point out that a list of "noted faculty members" is unusual on a Uni page. I realize that Cal Poly does not have many world-class professors, but listing the few that exist smacks of boosterism. It also is extremely divisive. This is another section that needs to be reexamined.-- JJay 14:05, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Your accusasions of boosterism are either extremely POV or an indication of the fact that you have looked at few other University sites. Richard Feynman, for example, is dead, but he is still listed at List of California Institute of Technology people. Obviously, Adair is no Feynman, but then Feynman is no Adair. Later today I will separate current and former faculty in the list.--Curtis Clark 15:36, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Rather it is you who has looked at few Uni sites. It is very rare to list faculty members. To list a few as "notable" is embarrassing. It looks, as I stated, like a desperate attempt to boost the notoriety of this school. The changes you have made, with a section for active faculty that includes the soccer coach, and deceased faculty, is farcical. -- JJay 17:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

• California State University, Dominguez Hills#Notable Alumni and Faculty
• California State University, Fresno#Notable faculty and staff
• California State University, Long Beach#Notable faculty
• San Diego State University#Notable Alumni and Faculty
• San José State University#Noted faculty members
• University of California-Davis#Notable current and past faculty members
• List of California Institute of Technology people#Notable faculty
• List of Stanford University people#Notable Stanford faculty and affiliates
• Pitzer College#Notable professors past and present
• List of University of Southern California people#Faculty

I'm tired of doing your research for you (it was about 40% of the sites I examined, btw). I'm the one who insisted that the lists of notable faculty and students only include people with Wikipedia articles (see the latter part of "Article Title" above). Note that even some of the "big name" schools have lots of red links. The reason there are only a few listed as notable is that they are the only ones with Wikipedia articles. You could take it all out, for all I care, but one of the proponents of the list will revert the removal as vandalism.

This is an encyclopedia, not a place to push your grievances against a university. "Desperate" and "farcical" is an interesting POV, but until you start coming down on colleges more broadly rather than pursuing whatever is your agenda here, I cannot take you seriously.--Curtis Clark 19:48, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

You can keep attacking me all you want, I would again remind you that you do not own this page and that you might want to consider collaboration as an option rather than the confrontational approach that you have constantly pursued here. I could care less whether you "take me seriously" or not and if you are tired consider doing something else with your time. You have continually fought to block any mention of student groups in this article. Since you like links, you might want to comment on some of the following:

• California_State_University,_Long_Beach#Student_Life
• California_State_University,_Los_Angeles#Student_Life
• California_State_University,_Monterey_Bay#Student_Life
• California_State_University,_Northridge#Groups_and_Organizations
• University_of_California,_Berkeley#Student_groups
• University_of_California,_Davis#Sports.2C_clubs.2C_traditions.2C_and_student_activities
• University_of_California,_Irvine#Student_life
• California_Institute_of_Technology#Student_life
• CSULA Greek System
• Harvard#Student_groups_and_organizations
• Yale_University#Student_organizations
• Dartmouth College student groups
• Brown_University#Student_life

This may be difficult for you to comprehend but I have no grievance against this school. Unlike you, I have no connection with this school or any University. My agenda, is to contribute to a page found by accident that badly needed improvement and that you seem to want to control as your private domain. Given some of the corrections I've made to the text, I hardly think you are well placed to talk about "POV" -- JJay 21:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

The entry below was removed by "JJay" from its original position as an interlinear response to him, and placed into a single paragraph. I believe that one needs compelling reasons to alter a post of another person to a talk page, and his changes make my post difficult to comprehend, but I will assume good faith and let it stand. For those interested in seeing it in its original position, please see the page history.--Curtis Clark 20:21, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

"Desperate" and "farcical" isn't an attack?

I never said I did; that was originally your statement. An impartial observer would perhaps find little difference between our edits to the page.

I have, but not with you, since you have shown little evidence of willingness to do so.

I don't regard forcing a merge onto a page until a vote opposes it to be non-confrontational. Had you been willing to discuss it originally, or even (gasp) propose it on this page before you did it, things might have turned out differently.

That is a lie. As I said, I'm not going to do your homework for you. If you want to add enough student groups to compare to your examples below, be my guest; I won't revert it. I even gave a URL in a previous revision so you can look them up and read their own web sites.

I've already seen most of them; they were my basis for saying originally that including only a single fraternity was not pattern and practice for Wikipedia.

You're right about that!

I have stated my affiliation and my agenda, and I don't hide behind sock puppets (as you implied on your talk page) or pseudonyms. I'll pay more attention to Wikipedia:Assume good faith if you will.

I agree, and most of your edits have been useful. Adding the single fraternity and deleting a poor dead faculty member, on the other hand, have been "badly".

That's ridiculous. I've strongly opposed two of your edits. I was willing to compromise on student organizations until I saw that others saw the fraternity as out of place as I did. I thought I had satisfied your point about the poor dead faculty member (and also the retired one, who no longer teaches), and indeed some other universities make the same distinction. If you can't tolerate opposition, perhaps you don't belong at Wikipedia.

Given those corrections, no. But that's not all you've done.--Curtis Clark 23:03, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I have already corrected you on this point, but given your continued confusion I will again set the record straight: I have never merged anything with this page. Therefore, I could not "propose" it "before I did it". It is another example of where the personal attacks directed at me have no grounding in reality. Furthermore, since you now claim that your opposition to this fraternity was because it was "not pattern and practice" to only include one group, I will be happy to add a few more- at least until we have as many student groups on the page as current faculty members (one not counting the soccer coach). -- JJay 14:07, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

You forced the merge. Here are the relevant history entries, with your reversion of removal of the merge bolded:

• 09:37, 30 January 2006 72.129.123.215 (Removing self-aggrandizing content and tidying up Student Life to remove spurious insertion of spam)
• 09:34, 30 January 2006 JJay (→Student life - add poly post)
• 09:26, 30 January 2006 JJay (rv vandalism)
• 09:25, 30 January 2006 72.129.123.215 (Tidying up Student Life to remove spurious insertion of spam)
• 09:24, 30 January 2006 JJay (rv removal by anon)
• 09:22, 30 January 2006 72.129.123.215 (Spurious insertion of spam)
• 09:20, 30 January 2006 JJay (rv removal)
• 09:19, 30 January 2006 72.129.123.215
• 10:48, 27 January 2006 JJay m (rv vandalism)
• 10:35, 27 January 2006 72.129.123.215 (Corrected resubmission by JJay)
• 17:27, 19 January 2006 JJay (rv unexplained removal)
• 15:36, 19 January 2006 24.127.118.98 (→Student life)
• 21:35, 16 January 2006 JJay (rv unexplained removal)
• 17:26, 16 January 2006 24.130.174.86 (→Student life)
• 14:25, 14 January 2006 JJay (rv myself)
• 14:23, 14 January 2006 JJay (→Student life - add KCPR)
• 18:49, 13 January 2006 JJay m (rv removal)
• 15:49, 13 January 2006 134.71.241.95 (→Student life)
• 21:44, 1 January 2006 Curtis Clark (→Student life - remove additional POV)
• 21:38, 1 January 2006 Curtis Clark (→Student life - begin list)
• 19:25, 1 January 2006 JJay (→Student life - add wikis rephrase 1 line)
• 19:15, 1 January 2006 PS2pcGAMER (→Student life - removed self-referencing of wikipedia, wikified date (for use with date preferences), removed POV)
• 17:57, 1 January 2006 Curtis Clark (→Student life)
• 15:06, 1 January 2006 JJay m (rv per AfD)
• 13:56, 1 January 2006 Curtis Clark (→Student life - See Discussion)
• 11:41, 1 January 2006 JJay m (RV- Afd outcome was merge)
• 11:33, 1 January 2006 Curtis Clark (rv spam)
• 11:29, 1 January 2006 Angr (→Student life - merging from Sigma Chi Cal Poly Pomona per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sigma Chi Cal Poly Pomona)

Five users (myself and four IPs) tried to remove the inserted passage, and you reverted every one but the last (after the vote). Your insulting claim that we are all sockpuppets doesn't lessen the fact that, although you did not do the original merge, you attempted to force its acceptance on the rest of the contributors to this page.

I look forward to your addition of student groups (please add two or three with the first edit, so that no one will mistake your intent). I still fail to understand your beef with listing faculty who already have Wikipedia articles, even if they are dead or coaches (coaches are faculty in the CSU according to the Higher Education Employee Relations Act). Plenty of bigger-name universities have many on their equivalent lists with no Wikipedia articles.--Curtis Clark 20:41, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

• That really advances the discussion here. It would be nice if you devoted some of this energy to improving the article rather than making accusations. I will also continue to revert removals from anoms that have not participated in editing the article and that do not explain their edits. That holds for every part of this article, notable faculty, buildings, etc. The fact that you find it normal for anom IPs to remove blocks of text from the article without explanation is troubling. -- JJay 21:03, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Although I am a proponent of registering, I know that anonymous editors have their reasons, and I think it's rude to assume all anons are vandals (even though I tend to make that incorrect assumption myself). I think if someone has taken the time to understand the history of an edit, a deletion by an anon should be evaluated on the same basis as a deletion by a registered user. Unfortunatlely, it's not possible to tell whether either one has taken the time to evaluate the arguments.--Curtis Clark 22:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Criteria for noted students

(1) Does someone want to remove Forest Whitaker since his article mentions CSUF and USC but nothing about Cal Poly? Otherwise this needs a cite. (2) Also, should we list people like Richard Pombo who is neither a student nor an alumni but a college dropout? -- Ingyhere 09:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I originally added Pombo because his article showed up on a search for Cal Poly Pomona in Wikipedia. I don't think the practice is necessarily bad; see Notable non-graduate alumni of Harvard.--Curtis Clark 15:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

"Cal Poly" name

A number of editors of both the Cal Poly and Cal Poly Pomona articles have recently taken the position that only what is "official" may be referred to in wikipedia articles (see the discussion regarding Cal Poly flagship status). As such, I renew my objection to any language in the Pomona article that Cal Poly Pomona has been referred to as "Cal Poly." Using the arguments given by Pomona editors on the Cal Poly page, such usage is not official and amounts to "original research" and is POV. You can't have it both ways. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.205.242 (talk) 06:44, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

what are you talking about. if you know your history you would know that this campus was once part of cal poly. was split off( after about 30 years as being one campus). became a different campus. however, locals do refer it as cal poly(due to heritage reasons). many people (in southern california)think that cal poly is only the Pomona campus. but when you are in the northern part of the state, people think only of the San Luis Obispo campus. as with your case(in the san luis obispo article), it is different you are quoting an ASI comment and calling it official thats a NPOV75.24.250.6 (talk) 06:40, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

oh you should have put this in section 19 not start a new one. this whole its not cal poly thing has been going on for a while. dont start new sections unless they are about a different topic. your comment should have been in section 1975.24.250.6 (talk) 06:49, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

First, may I suggest you work on your grammar and punctuation? I know we aren't writing an English essay here, but I find it remarkably difficult to read your posts. Second, as you may have noticed, I've been a regular part of this debate for a while: I'm quite aware of the various positions on the matter.

Your arguments do not address my objection. Although I dispute your claims in their entirety, they aren't relevant to my position. Specifically, I'm saying that "Cal Poly" is the official name of California Polytechnic State University, not Cal Poly Pomona. A number of CPP editors on the Cal Poly article have recently advanced the position that if something isn't official, it can't be in the article at all (see the "flagship" section). Well, if that's the case, I renew my objection to this article stating that CPP is sometimes referred to by locals as "Cal Poly." That is absolutely unofficial, and must be removed by CPP editors own logic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.205.242 (talk)

What "some editors" write is unimportant. What is important is that the "flagship" status was stated by the Chancellor, and that it was thus referenced. That you would object to "Among local residents, it is often called by the shortened form "Cal Poly",[21] which does not fully distinguish it from its sister CSU campus in San Luis Obispo. Cal Poly Pomona has rejected such usage for official university documents.[12]" suggests that you are the POV pusher. Sometimes I have to ask myself, why is this of such over-arching importance to you? --Curtis Clark (talk) 14:30, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Importance to me? Take a look at your fellow Pomona ilk. I've never seen such obsession with articles. I personally have no interest in the CPP article, but when it misrepresents itself as Cal Poly, I do. Furthermore, when CPP editors try to block true, sourced material on the CP article, I also care.

Dr. Clark, I'd like to elaborate a bit more after thinking about it. My main issue is what I perceive to be some Pomona editor's double standard when it comes to the CPP and CP articles. One one hand, they demand that a sourced reference to Chancellor Reed's statement be completely removed on grounds that it is unofficial, while at the same time demand that unofficial language on CPP being referred to as Cal Poly must be included in the CPP article. I've tried to compromise on the CP article by stating it was only a reference by Dr. Reed, but no dice: the CPP editors demand a complete removal, and even flag the article with a neutrality tag (something which I believe to be clearly excessive over a single statement). I think such a double standard is inherently POV; if the standard applies to the Cp article, then it must apply to the CPP article as well. If the flagship referenced must be removed as being unofficial, so must the unofficial reference to CPP as CP.

Here are some recent third-party sources referring to Cal Poly Pomona as Cal Poly. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 , 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25. A Google search of "Cal Poly San Luis Obispo" has 167,000 results and about 92,200 for Cal Poly SLO. Cheers.--Marco Guzman, Jr (talk) 01:33, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Marco, take a look at your "logic." The Cal Poly article makes citations that it has been referenced as the flagship, but you have demanded removal since they aren't official. Well, neither are the citations you make. What's that saying--What's good for the goose? You can't have it both ways buddy. Shall I put an accuracy tag on this article given the debate?

If indeed you have characterized Marco's views correctly, I disagree with him. Reed's statement should be included for exactly the same reason that the use of "Cal Poly" for the Pomona campus should be included. Although I think the Chancellor's statement in its current position has perhaps too much prominence, I would object to it being removed from the article. I think everyone should chill. With the entire CSU system undergoing a financial meltdown, there are many more important things to worry about.--Curtis Clark (talk) 03:15, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Aside from Reed statement, is there any other third-party source describing Cal Poly SLO as the "flagship"?--Marco Guzman, Jr (talk) 03:35, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Why do you need another source? The source currently used directly and accurately makes clear that it was said. It's unlikely that another source would be privy to this specific quote, as they are official minutes.

Neither the reference nor the article (currently) state that Cal Poly is the flagship campus. They state instead that Reed said it was. Big difference.--Curtis Clark (talk) 14:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

I think the difference here is that there's been a consistent pattern within the local context to refer to Cal Poly Pomona as just Cal Poly. This has been going on since the creation of the campus and can easily be verified by searching for archived articles. The Daily Bulletin and the Los Angeles Times have consistently done this. I see nothing wrong with describing this pattern. On the other hand, there isn't a proven pattern describing Cal Poly San Luis Obispo as the "flagship" CSU campus. Until that happens, I feel that the reference to a one time incident comes off as "fishing" for a claim. Especially when that person may have misspoken. On a slightly different note, when one searches for "Cal Poly", one gets articles on both Pomona and SLO. This could be especially frustrating when a Pomona incident grabs the headlines such as when they won the Div 2 basketball national championship. In the age of the internet, maybe it's better to be known officially as "Cal Poly Pomona".--Seaprt (talk) 17:16, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

It is also crucial to note that California Polytechnic State University located in San Luis Obispo owns the trademark to "Cal Poly", and it has the exclusive legal rights to its usage. Therefore, whenever the term "Cal Poly" is employed, it is referring to exclusively to California Polytechnic State University. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.245.244.66 (talk) 16:05, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Just because someone has a trademark that doesn't mean that they can determine what other people mean when they use the trademarked term. There are multiple campuses that the public may view as being "Cal Poly" so it's a good idea for us to be specific to ensure there isn't any confusion. ElKevbo (talk) 16:11, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

If there is a confusion as to what "Cal Poly" campus, people are referring to, I suggest that we use the term "Cal Poly, which is located in San Luis Obispo". This way, you are using the University's official name since its inception, and you clarify that we are talking about SLO. I believe CPP wiki entry's reference to the term Cal Poly San Luis Obispo is tantamount to using a popular nick name for a school, which is fine in a casual article. But bottom line is that Cal Poly San Luis Obispo is not the university's official name, and in an encyclopedia entry official names should be employed exclusively. Various editors on this page have insisted that only officially published material should be employed in CPP's entry. Well, Cal Poly is the officially published name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.245.244.66 (talk) 03:55, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Do people actually use the phrase "Cal Poly, which is located in San Luis Obispo" or do they just use "Cal Poly San Luis Obispo?" I suspect the latter, especially since that phrase is used in the description metatag for the university's own website. If that convoluted phrase isn't actually used by people then let's not use it here, especially when a simpler one will do.

You're also incorrect when you say that "in an encyclopedia entry official names should be employed exclusively." We don't use official names exclusively and we certainly don't use them when they're not commonly used and understood by most people. Heck, we don't even require that article titles be the official names of article subjects.

And if anyone has really "insisted that only officially published material should be employed" in this article then they're probably wrong so let's just ignore them and move on. :) ElKevbo (talk) 16:05, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

While Cal Poly is the official nickname according to the university, even the Chancellor's Office uses the term Cal Poly San Luis Obispo at times. 72Dino (talk) 16:16, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Hatnote needed?

According to WP:NAMB, if "a reader following links within Wikipedia or using Wikipedia's own search engine would not have ended up" at the article's title, a hatnote is not necessary. Readers won't end up at "California State Polytechnic University, Pomona" if they're looking for Cal Poly or Pomona College. --TorriTorri^{(Talk to me!)} 01:23, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

It's important when making such a judgment to know what terms redirect to the page. For this page, the list can be found here.

Let's examine a few of these. Some might be entered by someone actually looking for Pomona College:

• CSU Pomona
• Cal state pomona
• Pomona State University
• University of California, Pomona
• Cal Pomona
• California-Pomona

Others might be entered by folks looking for Cal Poly:

• State Polytechnic

There's even one that could be confused with Caltech:

• Pomona Institute of Technology

I think there's a case that a reader could get to this page having looked imprecisely for one of the others.--Curtis Clark (talk) 04:23, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

My bad. I was just glancing through the redirects a few days ago, they must've slipped my mind. --TorriTorri^{(Talk to me!)} 04:42, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Apropos the issue of confusion, a sixth-grader just sent me their Powerpoint about Pomona College and asked for a souvenir. The amazing thing was that the Powwerpoint was filled with images the student doubtless got from the Pomona College web site. <sigh /> --Curtis Clark (talk) 21:05, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

W.K. Kellogg or W. K. Kellogg

The Kellogg Foundation uses both "W.K." and "W. K." (notice the space in the latter) however I got the sense they prefer "W.K." as they use it significantly more on their website. The foundation's Wikipedia article uses "W. K." in its title but switches back and forth between the two throughout the article. Bearing in mind those two letters stand for William Keith, "W. K." seems to be more grammatically correct. Could someone please shed a light on this little dilemma? Many thanks!--Marco Guzman, Jr (talk) 04:22, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Marco: According to the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) guideline, there is no consensus for either approach, but it does mention that the space between the initials is usually used. Alanraywiki (talk) 05:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Alanray! Let's take their advice and leave the space between the letters.--Marco Guzman, Jr (talk) 00:12, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Rankings

An anonymous editor User talk:71.134.246.80 just included a lot of information with regards to rankings. I think rankings that are specific to a college or program should go under their respective Wikipedia articles or maybe under California State Polytechnic University, Pomona academics and reword them so that they don't use peacock terms and/or weasel words. I can get working on it until tomorrow morning... (me sleepy!)--Marco Guzman, Jr (talk) 06:16, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

anonymous also wrote that Civil Engineering is the most impacted program on campus. I've changed to third most after reviewing the admission rate stats for architecture, animal veterinary science, and mechanical and civil engineering.--Seaprt (talk) 22:01, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Updating Pictures

I changed the picture of the view of the CLA building from the Collins School hill. It doesn't catch the library like the old picture, but I think this one is much better in quality. Please feel free to revert. I am also trying to get some Flickr users to contribute their work to this page. In particular, the same person that took the large CLA, library and BSC pictures currently on the page. I would like the stables and the Kellogg mansion shot updated with higher quality pictures as well. In general, shots taken from an SLR rather than a point and shoot should be the minimum quality standard. Perspective correction would be a plus. Any thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seaprt (talk • contribs) 04:30, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

They look awesome. Thanks! --Marco Guzman, Jr (talk) 06:26, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

update endowment

the school just got a 42 million endowment from Kellogg's http://polycentric.csupomona.edu/news_stories/2010/07/cal-poly-pomona-benefits-from-unprecedented-gift-from-wk-kellogg-foundation.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.27.237.94 (talk) 23:37, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

It has been included on the article already. It's under the "Endowment" section here. Feel free to improve the article as you find convenient, but remembering that entries need to be referenced. If you wish to carry out an experiment you are free to carry out test in the sandbox here. If you need help, please ask questions in my talkpage here or in under this talk page as you did before. Thank you and happy editing. -- Marco Guzman, Jr  Chat  03:32, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Let's be careful where we put this--it isn't necessarily going into the university's general endowment, but rather appears to be a grant to be used to recruit minorities and veterans. As such, we shouldn't update the "endowment" section of the article, but rather should refer to it in a donation context. I imagine some of it may go into the general endowment (who knows at this point), but if and until it does and we have a citation, the number needs to stay the same. 76.173.171.94 (talk) 08:42, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

The first sentence of the press release of the Kellogg Foundation states that it "has awarded $42 million for an endowment at Cal Poly Pomona". The overall university (technically, the University Educational Trust auxiliary) endowment value is made up of around 300 individual endowments for specific purposes like this one. However, the endowment value in the infobox and article body should not be changed until the NACUBO numbers come out around February. Alanraywiki (talk) 14:57, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Merely because the word "endowment" was used does not mean that it is part of the general endowment. For example, I could create an endowment for scholarships for students, which would not constitute university endowment. I agree that we should wait for a source. 206.114.21.246 (talk) 18:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually, if you did create an endowment for scholarships through your gift, that would be included in the overall university endowment. Alanraywiki (talk) 19:39, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

This endowment is not just for minorities(racial) and veterans. It's for underrepresented groups which also includes foster children of all races.--Seaprt (talk) 06:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Alumni

Just found out from the Cal Poly Pomona Facebook page that James Williamson, guitarist for the legendary punk rock band The Stooges, got his electrical engineering degree in 1982 from Pomona. This is news to me. I tried searching for a reference but could not find one other than the video in which he states it. Is this a legit source? I added his name to the alumni section. Anyone, please research and revise as needed.--Seaprt (talk) 08:39, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Facebook is not a credible source. If the university is promoting itself by mentioning Williamson is an alum, there should be an official publication or pamphlet available from the school's website, admissions office, or alumni relations department to support this claim. You've just got to find it. -Mabeenot (talk) 21:15, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, another source has already been added. -Mabeenot (talk) 21:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I originally included the current reference, not a facebook entry. I was wondering if a video on CNN Money of him stating he went there was the appropriate source. --Seaprt (talk) 21:48, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

article needs clean up

in some sections it reads like an advertisement. in other sections, the article is outdated, and for impacted majors, it is not fully complete —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.16.33.194 (talk) 03:01, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Housing

I've done research on housing stats in the past and it's confusing because some of the old brick halls have triple occupancy rooms. Also, the administration seems confused as to whether or not the village counts as on campus housing. It is clearly on campus property, and only difference is that it is operated by the Cal Poly Pomona foundation rather than Student Affairs. Does anyone know if the village should be included in the official bed count? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.131.7 (talk) 05:09, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Admission stats

I believe the latest admission stats are for both incoming freshmen and transfer students but are stated as incoming freshmen only. The read admit rate, I believe, should be 45 percent and not 41 as calculated.--Seaprt (talk) 05:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

would this news article be of any interest for the endowment figures?

http://www.fontanaheraldnews.com/articles/2010/12/22/news/doc4d1283cbcb2be653592726.txt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.16.46.136 (talk) 03:52, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:California State Polytechnic University, Pomona/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Racepacket (talk) 01:33, 5 March 2011 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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Thank you for nominating this article. No disamb. links. Two dead links marked.

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   Wikilink Zimbabwe.

   Added wikilink.

   "Collins College of Hospitality Management" - is this the name of the building?

   Collins College of Hospitality Management is a college at Cal Poly Pomona.

   Need a building name to maintain parallel structure.

   Changed to: "At the center of the campus and atop Horsehill are the buildings comprising the Collins College of Hospitality Management and Kellogg West, a hotel and conference center and home of the student/faculty-run Restaurant at Kellogg Ranch."

   "Contrasting some of this architecturally prominent facilities"->"Contrasting some of these architecturally prominent facilities"

   Fixed usage of incorrect demonstrative word.

   "the growing population"->"the growing student enrollment"

   Fixed.

   "Cal Poly Pomona houses the International Polytechnic High School"->"Cal Poly Pomona operates the International Polytechnic High School" - word "houses" over-used

   Replaced ambiguous word. Also, I replaced other instances where the word "houses" was used out of context.

   Run on sentence: "CLA Building is located atop the San José Hills Fault and its structural stability was found to be inadequate in the event of a major earthquake and will be ." - missing comma before and. Need better phrase than "put into question"

   Replaced with: "Nevertheless, the CLA Building suffers from structural flaws, most notably, water intrusion. In 2005, the university filed a lawsuit against a contractor, for which it was compensated $13.3 million in an out-of-court settlement. Amid these concerns, on September of 2010, the CSU Board of Trustees approved a proposal to have the building razed."

   "overcome its major flaws"->"address its seismic risks"

   See previous entry.

   What does "entitled building space" mean? - projected total building space?

   Yes, that's what it means. Thus, the sentence has been replaced with: "The project is currently at the halfway mark of building and leasing 1,000,000 square feet (93,000 m²) of the projected total building space."

   "In November 2007 Cal Poly"->"In November 2007, Cal Poly" - add comma

   Added comma.

   "center collectively known as BioTrek which provides " - comma before which and move ref for BioTrek into a footnote.

   "...center collectively known as BioTrek, which provides environmental education to all academic levels.

   The period comes before the footnote - see fn 63.

   Good eye!

   "8th in least indebtedness"->"8th in least student indebtedness at graduation"

   Replaced with suggested sentence.

   "which is the third most impacted program on campus" - what does this mean?

   It means absolutely nothing. It was a "peacock phrase" introduced by other editor and has been removed.

   "According to Planetizen, Cal Poly Pomona's Urban and Regional Planning Programs without a Ph. D. ranks 2nd in the nation."->"According to Planetizen, Cal Poly Pomona's Urban and Regional Planning Programs ranks 2nd in the nation for non-Ph.D. programs." - if Cal Poly has a Ph.D. program why is it being ranked as a non-PhD institution. Please explain.

   Cal Poly Pomona is designated a master's university by the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education. This is because the highest degrees offered are masters'. Hence, the sentence has been replaced with: "Cal Poly Pomona's Urban and Regional Planning Programs ranks 2nd in the nation for non-Ph.D. programs, as the university's highest offered degrees are master's".

   " (1. Harvard, 2. U. Penn...8. University of California, Berkeley)" and "(1. Harvard, 2. Virginia Tech.)." - why selectively single out these other schools. I would delete as inappropriate.

   Agree. this is clearly non-NPOV.

   Move table showing demographics of student body down to "Admissions" section.

   Table has been moved.

   "year specific cutoff"->"year-specific cutoff"

   Added hyphen.

   "11 majors and undeclared" -> "11 majors and and students without a declared major" - whole sentence should probably be rephrased.

   Replaced with: "During the fall admissions filing period, the CSU system designates academic programs where more applications are received than can be accommodated by the campus, and designates them as "impacted". At Cal Poly Pomona, impacted academic programs include:"

   Good but you still have a "undeclared" problem, because it is not an "academic program."

   Replaced with: "During the fall admissions filing period, the CSU system designates academic programs where more applications are received than can be accommodated by the campus, and designates them as "impacted". At Cal Poly Pomona, students who apply without a declared major and to the following programs are subject to more stringent admission standards:"

   "With a housing capacity of"->"With an on-campus housing capacity of"

   Replaced as suggested.

   "In an effort to reduce commuting and raise academic standards,"->"In an effort to reduce commuting and raise academic performance and retention,"

   Replaced as suggested.

   Should "Housing" section be a subpart of "Campus" Section?

   Some featured articles such as: Florida Atlantic University, UC Riverside, and Texas A&M include their "housing" sections under "student life" section.

   "governed by the Greek Council.[107]" - move the external link to a footnote. You can have two different footnotes following the sentence.

   Done as suggested.

   Combine "International Students" section with "Admissions" section.

   Done as suggested.

   Why are Glenn Davis or Richard Neutra pictured but not included in the prose paragraph of the "Notable faculty and alumni" Section?

   Rewrote "Notable alumni and faculty" section to include both omissions.

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

   Lead has too much history and not enough summary of the entire article. WP:LEAD says that a 70K article should have four paragraphs of lead text.

   Lead has been divided into the following four paragraphs (1st - blunt introduction, 2nd - both campus & history, 3rd - academics, 4th - both student life & athletics) :

   California State Polytechnic University, Pomona, or Cal Poly Pomona, is a public university located in Pomona, California, United States. It is one of two polytechnics in the 23-member California State University system.

   Cal Poly Pomona began as a satellite campus of the California Polytechnic School (today known as Cal Poly San Luis Obispo) in 1938 when a completely equipped school and farm in the city of San Dimas were donated by Charles Voorhis and his son Jerry Voorhis. The satellite campus grew further in 1949 when a horse ranch in the neighboring city of Pomona, and who had belonged to Will Keith Kellogg, were acquired. Cal Poly Pomona, then known as “Cal Poly Kellogg-Voorhis Unit”, and Cal Poly San Luis Obispo continued operations under a unified administrative control until they became independent from each other in 1966.

   Cal Poly Pomona currently offers multiple educational programs in 9 academic units and enrolls over 20,000 students as of fall 2009. The university is one among a small group of polytechnic universities in the United States which tend to be primarily devoted to instruction in many technical arts and applied sciences.

   Once known strictly as a commuter school, in recent years Cal Poly Pomona has undertaken an effort to increase its academic standings while also evolving into a more traditional university. The university has raised admissions standards, increased on-campus student residences, built new facilities and expanded its undergraduate research opportunities. Its sports teams are known as the Cal Poly Pomona Broncos and play in the NCAA Division II as part of the California Collegiate Athletic Association (CCAA). The Broncos sponsor 10 varsity sports and have won 14 NCAA national championships.

   Reword: "While Cal Poly Pomona is part of the California State University, it is improper to refer to the campus with names such as "CSU Pomona"[13] and "Cal State Pomona".[14]" - avoid flat statements

   Replaced with: "The university's office of public affairs recognizes two official names for the university: "California State Polytechnic University, Pomona" and "Cal Poly Pomona". However, "Cal Poly" has also used to refer to Cal Poly Pomona, as both itself and California Polytechnic State University at San Luis Obispo, California were one institution spanning two locations from 1938 to 1966. Cal Poly Pomona's office of public affairs recommends not to abbreviate the university's name merely as "Cal Poly". Although part of the California State University system, Cal Poly Pomona's naming convention does not follow that of most campuses within the system (e.g. the CSU campus in San Diego bears the full official name "San Diego State University" and the CSU campus in Fullerton uses the name "California State University, Fullerton"). Thus, "Pomona State University" and "California State University, Pomona" are seldom used and not in the university's graphic standard's manual. Nonetheless, Cal Poly Pomona's web page is csupomona.edu."

   "25-acre (100,000 m2) at Spadra Ranch,[34]" - is a word missing such as "ranch" or "campus"?

   Replaced with: "...25-acre (100,000 m²) at the former Spadra Landfill (now known as "Spadra Ranch"),..."

   "The university has a local-serving area," - I don't understand what you are trying to describe. Is there where it draws the most students or the area served by its extension efforts? Do you mean the Tier 1 Area?

   Yes, it means tier 1 area, and I changed the sentence accordingly.

   "Bronco Express and BroncoLink" Section should be combined with the "Campus" section. As written, it sounds like BroncoExpress is student-only, but most campuses allow faculty and staff to use the bus system as well. Which is it?

   Done as suggested and included that student, faculty and guests are free to ride the BroncoExpress shuttle, but not BroncoLink shuttle. The entry reads as follows:

   "The entire campus community is served by a free campus shuttle system known as "Bronco Express". The shuttle system comprises 3 lines and is run by the office of Parking & Transportation Services (PTS). In addition, PTS also offers a shuttle service known as "BroncoLink" which provides both students and faculty a direct connection from the Pomona North and Downtown Pomona Metrolink stations to the CLA Building."

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   There are warranted {{citation needed}} tags that require references.

   Done. All references use templates.

   Fn 14 which links to archive.org, no longer has a valid archive link.

   Reference replaced reference for one with a working URL.

   "Polytechnic universities in the United States tend to emphasizes science, technology, engineering, and mathematics programs.[69]" - Does fn 69 support the sentence as drafted?

   Definition of polytechnic now comes from Merriam-Webster and explains its Franco-Greek etymological origin.

   fn 105 Pocket Facts 2008 link is dead.

   Reference replaced reference for one with a working URL.

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   Is http://www.uwstout.edu/polytechnic/upload/polyforum4-28.pdf a reliable source. It appears to be a powerpoint presentation of an on-campus committee studying whether to change UW-Stout to a "Polytechnic"-name.

   No longer used as previously mentioned.

   Add page 10 to the cite in fn. 38 - finanacial statement

   Done as suggested.

   Fn 93 and 101 - use {{cite web}} to include the title, publisher, date and accessdate to eliminate the naked URL cite.

   Done as suggested.

   Is collegeprowler a reliable source?

   In the further reading section of the featured article Dartmouth College, College Prowler is suggested as a potential source, and is also used at Michigan State's article as a reference as well as at Ohio Wesleyan's.

   C. No original research:

   "Five out of the top eleven schools are public schools. This makes Cal Poly Pomona the 5th best public school for undergraduate engineering among regional universities." =OR?

   Removed OR and moved individual colleges and rankings section to California State Polytechnic University, Pomona academics#rankings

   " Three of the seven schools are private schools. This makes Cal Poly Pomona the 3rd best public school for undergraduate Civil Engineering." =OR?

   Same as previous entry.

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   What about governance? Aside from the CSU Board of Trustees, is there a campus-specific board? Is it the "University Educational Trust Board? Who selects them? Are there any student or faculty representatives?

   Added University Educational Trust section to article

   Most university articles have a "Research" section.

   Cal Poly Pomona is not classified as a research university by the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education, thus research activities are very limited, but there is an article on the initiative to increase undergraduate research opportunities at U.R. Bronco.

   What about the Library? Why is it under Campus instead of Academics? It deserves more than three sentences.

   Moved as suggested, added more information and references.

   What about the Japanese garden? Why a Japanese Garden? Is it a coincidence that Cal State Long Beach also has the Miller Japanese Garden?

   Expanded as suggested, included presence of Japanese gardens in LA County.

   B. Focused:

   I would delete the "Name" section.

   Moved to History section. Section was a result of a compromise over an edit war.

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

   No edit wars.

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   File:Cal Poly in San Dimas.JPG - needs fair use rationale.

   I have nominated File:Cal Poly Library Entrance.jpg for deletion. The licensing tag on this photo is self contradictory.

   File:Voorhis Vikings 1.png - needs stronger fair use rationale

   Done.

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   This article represents significant work by its author. Putting review on hold for you to address concerns. Racepacket (talk) 04:25, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

April 2 reading

Excellent work! I particularly love the Cornell quote. Please consider:

• "defined as an geographical region surrounding the campus"->"defined as an geographical admissions region surrounding the campus"?

• Agree and done.

• "Japanese Garden is one among others"->"Japanese Garden is one among four"

• Done.

• Tier I area defined and discussed twice. Only need one such description/discussion. Please drop the other.

• Done.

• Greek life - are there houses? Are they on or off campus?

• There is no "Greek row" on campus or fraternity or sorority houses on campus, but there seems to be just a few off-campus... decided to include those two who were found to have them.(?)

• "participated in the Tournament of Roses since 1949"->"participated in the Tournament of Roses parade since 1949"??

• Yes, that's correct!

• BroncoLink and Bronco Express covered twice in campus and Student Life sections. Since they serve faculty, I would drop the latter.

• Done.

• Need footnote to support claim that Glenn Davis is an alumnus. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/colleges/calpolypomona/

• Added footnote.

Let's wrap this up. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 23:19, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Please let me know which copyrighted pictures you are considering. If they were published before 1923, they can be used with the appropriate template. If there is a proper fair use rationale, they can be used even if they are still copyrighted. If you get permission, send the email to OTRS. Please let me know if you have specific quesitons about the photos. Racepacket (talk) 06:52, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I wanted to use a few images on the history section, but we may have to settle with only one to comply with fair use guidelines. The picture I truly enjoy is this image showing Will Keith Kellogg, his favorite Arabian horse Antez, and the oldest building on the Pomona campus in the background. However, showing only this image overlooks the --equally important-- influence of Charles Voorhis and Jerry Voorhis in its foundation. Showing two images would really put an end to this dilemma. Unfortunately, I have never come across an image showing Voorhis and Kellogg and doubt it exists. I already wrote a librarian for permission to publish under an "Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0)" license. -- Marco Guzman, Jr  Chat  19:27, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I suggest that you add one photo and we complete the review. If permission comes through from the second photo, you can add it later. Racepacket (talk) 01:27, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I talked to the head of Special Collections at Cal Poly Pomona, and she's unsure on who's the copyright owner. I think the copyright owner would be the university, as they are the sole publisher of the picture, legal owners of Mr. Kellogg's estate, and the picture was taken in 1929 on his former ranch (Cal Poly Pomona's current campus) by his photographer. Hence, she referred me to Public Affairs whom I will be paying a visit tomorrow. Regards, -- Marco Guzman, Jr  Chat  01:55, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

The image's file has been created as the Special Collections & University Archives librarian graciously agreed to release the image under a CC license. I also added the image to the "history" section of the Cal Poly Pomona article along with a caption. Let me know if there are further points that need addressing. -- Marco Guzman, Jr  Chat  03:39, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

I have made a correction to describe U.R.Bronco in the text of the article. I have notice the table of colleges has two [citations needed] in it. Actually, no citation is needed since the year is not given. Please add the year and the citation when you have a chance. But it is not required to meet GA criteria. So I will pass the article. Congratulatons! Racepacket (talk) 02:26, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Impaction

Someone added a bunch of majors in the College of Science to the impacted list. I have added a "citation needed" tag. Please explain your source or will delete in a few days. I believe the list of impacted majors doesn't come out until the fall quarter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.193.43.254 (talk) 20:16, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

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Endowment

President Ortiz is touting the $95 million already raised for the capital campaign. Is this an official enough number for the size of the endowment?

http://www.csupomona.edu/~annualreport/highlights.shtml — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.131.7 (talk) 20:16, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

No. That is money raised for the current campaign and is separate from what is in the institution's endowment. Typically, capital campaigns already have established goals and intentions for the money being raised. Often some of the money is intended for the endowment but there is no guarantee. ElKevbo (talk) 00:48, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism by Marco Guzman, Jr

Marco Guzman, Jr keeps adding unsoured promo materials to all California State Polytechnic University, Pomona articles, lowering their quality. Sometimes the sources don't agree with the content. I just fixed the CalPoly engineering college article. Please keep an eye on this user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rankingupdater (talk • contribs) 20:45, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes keep an eye on me! Also worth mentioning, this user is under investigation for was found to be engaging in sock-puppetry: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mangoeater1000. -- Marco Guzman, Jr  Talk  20:49, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Princeton Review

Two editors have been edit warring over a sentence mentioning a Princeton Review ranking. I don't have a strong opinion on the subject but I don't quite understand the statement that says only that the university was included in the ranking. It doesn't seem to make any sense without specifying where the university was ranked e.g. 29th, in the third tier. ElKevbo (talk) 05:14, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

It's a list of the "best" 298 colleges. The Princeton Review only ranks 1 through 5, thereafter the rest are simply just placed on the list, not in any order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uwatch310 (talk • contribs) 00:19, April 13, 2013‎

Then please clarify that in the article instead of edit warring. ElKevbo (talk) 06:05, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

It was stated the university was placed on the list for 2013, which is clarifying. For further clarification, I supposed it can be said the list isn't ranked.

Edit request on 25 June 2013

i-Poly high school is now housed in a permanent building. http://www.ipolyhighschool.org/pages/International_Polytechnic_High/ABOUT_US/New_Building

original wikipedia page excerpt: Cal Poly operates the International Polytechnic High School, a college preparatory high school housed entirely in portable buildings which stand on what used to be a parking lot.

proposed edit: Cal Poly operates the International Polytechnic High School, a college preparatory high school. Originally housed entirely in portable buildings in parking lot K, the school is now housed in a $20 million, state-of-the art, facility opened in the fall of 2012 at the cross street of University Drive and Temple Avenue on the campus of Cal Poly.

Petriekituu (talk) 21:30, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Partly done: I edited the article to remove the references to portable buildings, but your proposed text includes too many peacock terms and so I did not include it as proposed. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:04, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Grammar Error

Unfortunately I can't edit the page, so I'll have to bring this small issue to the talk page (sorry!). In the brief abstract of the university, the following sentence appears:

"The university is consistently recognized as one the best value colleges in all of America."

Should be changed to:

The university is consistently recognized as one of the best value colleges in all of America.

A trivial edit, which I hope someone can clear up as soon as possible. Only to maintain the quality that Wikipedia deserves, especially since this page is (relatively) frequently visited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightpuma (talk • contribs) 03:52, September 14, 2013‎

The whole statement was poorly-supported, uninformative, and self-serving so I removed it. ElKevbo (talk) 14:48, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Here's the dirt

Controversies:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150403/12161730541/student-sues-college-after-campus-cops-demand-he-get-free-speech-permit-before-handing-out-fliers.shtml

178.38.97.168 (talk) 01:52, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Lanterman Developmental Center acquisition

The state gave Lanterman Developmental Center to the school. that's an additional 300 acres + buildings added 172.249.18.129 (talk) 02:59, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Campus south

since the school decided to keep the property and has started to put signs of the lanterman property as campus south, can we now add the 300 acres to the total size of the campus?108.184.120.44 (talk) 10:50, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

References

References

Domain name change: csupomona.edu to cpp.edu

Someone linked me to the Cal Poly Universities Rose Float page, but I noticed that all the links in the table of past floats to csupomona.edu were dead. A little searching indicated that they were now available in the cpp.edu domain instead - the rest of the URL (the directory structure on the University's site) was the same.

Educause's WHOIS currently has nothing for csupomona.edu , so I suspect the change to cpp.edu is meant to be permanent. (Why didn't they keep csupomona and have it redirect? I dunno.) The WHOIS says that cpp.edu started on 23 July 2014.

I did a mass search-and-replace on the Rose Float page, but I figured I'd note it here, for future reference. I looked to see if Wikipedia has a bot to take care of things like this automatically and it doesn't seem to, although I didn't look everywhere.

73.217.216.189 (talk) 09:50, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

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Edit Request for UET

The section about the UET (University Educational Trust) should be removed or updated. As of January 2012, the UET closed and its assets transferred to the Cal Poly Pomona Foundation. This is according to January 2012 board meeting of the Cal Poly Pomona Foundation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:DF:8000:442C:0:2:AB13:A5C2 (talk)

References

 Done The board meeting minutes regarding this closure which have been quoted and added to the Wikipedia article were from 2011, not 2012.  Spintendo      19:30, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Follow up request for edit: Request for a new section about the Cal Poly Pomona Foundation. It is the auxiliary organization that supports the university, including the bookstore, dining, housing and accepting philanthropic donations. About the Foundation is here and here

incidents on campus

why is there no mentioned of the people who have been killed on campus. traffic is a problem and of my knowledge has managed to have two people killed in such manner. Also what about the campus south murder?

Updating Naming Conventions for 2019

I saw an outdated discussion from 2010 on the talk page about the naming of the university. I think the best use of the university name is by the 2019 university official brand guidelines. Cal Poly Pomona Style Guide 2019

"A stylebook serves three significant purposes: It acts as an arbiter of factual and grammatical accuracy, it ensures clarity and consistency, and it serves as a reference work. The Cal Poly Pomona stylebook is intended to supplement and occasionally supersede the Associated Press Stylebook, which is the industry standard."

By using the style book it allows for consistent naming conventions and enhances communication.

The 2019 university style guidelines are as follows for how to describe Cal Poly Pomona:

"Cal Poly Pomona. Never just Cal Poly. In direct quotes, adding “Pomona” is preferred for style and clarity but not required. In formal references, use California State Polytechnic University, Pomona. CPP is acceptable on second reference, as are university, campus and Cal Poly Pomona. In general, CPP is acceptable on first reference for headlines, social media, and in sports and athletics."

California State University campuses. Use these names of the 23 campuses on first reference. You may drop “State” on subsequent references if it’s clear that you are talking about the university and not the city. Listed are the preferred short forms and the official campus names used in formal references in parentheses.

Cal Poly Pomona (California State Polytechnic University, Pomona in formal use).

Cal Poly (California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo in formal use). Alternate short form: Cal Poly San Luis Obispo.

Cal Poly Pomona Style Guide 2019 Revised February 11, 2019. Page 5 of 29.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.33.227 (talk • contribs) 16:42, December 11, 2019 (UTC)

The university's style guide is a useful reference but it cannot dictate what we write in our articles. We also look to what other reliable sources use. ElKevbo (talk) 21:48, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Of course, good points. Also, the university is not wikipedia authors too. I just think the use of the universities official name per Cal Poly Pomona universities guidelines allows for clear and consistent communication. The opposite is also true, where inconsistent naming communication confuses the audience. It allows what is distinct about both schools to shine, rather than them to be lumped as one university when they are essentially separate institutions.

Therefore, in line with the official university name style guide I propose the first sentence use the names,

California State Polytechnic University, Pomona (Cal Poly Pomona or CPP) is a public polytechnic university in Pomona, California.

This is restarting a non-issue that has been discussed ad nauseam. See Talk:Cal Poly. --Chlorineer (talk) 20:09, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

References

US Rankings

please update all University of California and California State University rankings. This years rankings are at the us ranking page. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges

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