Talk:Mario

No last name

Leaving this here, as it seems like fans love to try to add various last names. Sergecross73 msg me 18:20, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@Sergecross73 That was as of 2012. As of 2015 it's "Mario Mario". Not a good source probably but this appears to be verbatim what Miyamoto said during a live presentation for the Super Mario 30th anniversary. Panini! • 🥪 05:05, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

It was stated to be Mario Mario in the Mario Movie (Old One not the chirst Pratt One) Thats kinda his last name Kamata kun overlord 2016 (talk) 16:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Regardless, this is much more of an in-universe trivia/joke than an actual name. It's not used 99.9% of the time. Sergecross73 msg me 17:14, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

"Infobox cruft"

I'm not entirely sure why very basic information is being removed from the infobox under the guise that it's "cruft".

WP:Fancruft designates cruft as information that "an editor does not regard [as] encyclopedic, either because the entire topic is unknown outside fan circles, or because too much detail is present that will bore, distract or confuse a non-fan, when its exclusion would not significantly harm the factual coverage as a whole."

In what way does the most fundamental information about the character, such as his relationship to other main characters (Luigi and Peach) and his place of origin fall under the designation of cruft? If you don't include this, you might as well not include any information about the character at all. Are all in-universe details, even the most basic and inherent to the character, simply "cruft"? I would certainly argue that this info is inherent to one's conception of the character. How can one properly gain an understanding of Mario without knowing that Luigi is his brother, or that Peach is his damsel in distress? This is not some obscure knowledge; it is the very basis of his character.

Pinging Users Blaze Wolf and Ferret

Loytra (talk) 14:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Interpersonal relationships are absolutely not essential to understanding Mario as a character, so I'm perplexed by the entire premise of this discussion. Mario's games are about a guy who jumps on bad guys to save the world, drives go karts, and plays zany sports. A vaguely alluded to romance with another character is absolutely not an essential bit of info for an infobox. That's more of a fan wikia thing. Sergecross73 msg me 16:17, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I would agree. That info can be in the body of the article (maybe) and not in the infobox. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{blaze__wolf} 18:15, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

The video game character task force was working on cleaning up this sort of stuff too, so you may want to ask them for clarity, or ask them to comment here. Sergecross73 msg me 16:21, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Oops! I sought out the discussion you were talking about and it seems like tagged in it about ~6 months ago. I guess I just missed the notification.

The discussion seems to have been very long-winded and thorough. Per WP:DEADHORSE, it's probably best for me not to revive it.

Thanks for the response! Loytra (talk) 07:19, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Mario Bros. as his second appearance

Wasn't Donkey Kong Jr. his second appearance and the game he appeared in before Mario Bros. The page mentions nothing about it and it just says "after Donkey Kong, Mario starred in "Mario Bros." 104.218.129.50 (talk) 19:19, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes Mario did appear DKJR and the mario bros (arcade) Monster 1954 (talk) 16:08, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2024

I did not see the Mario Wonder powerups I think that should happen.

Mario Wonder Power ups

I did not see the Mario Wonder powerups I think that should happen. Waflaguigi (talk) 14:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

This article has a massive scope - everything related to Mario as a character. A globally recognized character that has existed for over 40 years. There's a lot to cover. So, thinking of it like that...the items that occur in one single game...are really not the most important thing to detail here. Sergecross73 msg me 18:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Sergecross73 I don't think they were in the wrong to ask about adding this though, since the article covers every single power-up he's used up to New U. However, this isn't anything we should be covering in this much detail and most of it should go arguably, except for "he uses power-ups", with examples. This would be something I would do whenever I get around to overhauling. Panini! • 🥪 19:54, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Agreed all around. Sergecross73 msg me 21:02, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Saturday Supercade

Found the source about Mario being in Saturday Supercade. Here [1] 39.50.235.97 (talk) 08:23, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Charles Martinez voice

@Zeldamaster702 Charles Martinez's voice in Mario vs. Donkey Kong Nintendo Switch shouldn't be counted because it's his reused voice clips from years ago and not his current voice-acting clips. Kazama16 (talk) 12:25, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Correct. It's very well documented that he stopped that role in 2023. The fact that they re-used old voice clips in a re-release does not change that. Sergecross73 msg me 13:02, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't think MvDK is entirely composed of reused lines. For instance, name one Mario game that has an HD recording of "Let's-a go, little guys!" or "Hey, come back here!". SuperWikiBrother (talk) 16:35, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Are there any reliable sources that verify this or is this your own original research? Sergecross73 msg me 16:40, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

@Kazama16, The latter phrase (and most likely the first too) comes from the original GBA game that this is a remake of. Whether or not it's HD does not mean that it's new; the remake does not pull from the distorted, low quality sound effect and likely just reuses the original audio file that they still have, and could use it in it's original quality since hardware restriction is not a problem. Panini! • 🥪 20:18, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

I’m willing to relent that my edit may have been in error. I know there are several releases this year that are expected to have Martinet’s voice(archival or otherwise) and if any proper sources support my edit I’m happy for it to be restored, otherwise I’m fine with being corrected! I’m certainly no expert on here and I’m happy to learn from others that are! Zeldamaster702 (talk) 20:20, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Don't fret about it @Zeldamaster702! I looked into it because I was curious myself.

And it's not an erroneous edit; if users come to a disagreement the best thing they can do in any scenario is discuss it. Panini! • 🥪 20:24, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Mario Species

According to this source [2] Mario is not a normal human but instead a different species of human named "homo nintendonus." So I'm wondering if this is a joke or a real thing. Kazama16 (talk) 12:09, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

It's not a real thing, and as such, means nothing to the reader. It should not be included. Sergecross73 msg me 12:40, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Looks like a man, walks like a man, talks like a man; this is a certified man. Panini! • 🥪 15:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I mean monkeys can walk like humans are they human Kamata kun overlord 2016 (talk) 16:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

That's not what Panini's argument was. Sergecross73 msg me 16:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2024

I think in the 2D Games section of the Mario page, we should add a paragraph explaining Super Mario Bros. Wonder, talking about the Wonder Flower that can change the setting, appearances of characters, etc. 2603:6010:8B00:44FF:5099:7BE0:4BA:4D74 (talk) 05:41, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jamedeus (talk) 06:40, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Regarding fire flower (and super mushroom) images

I didn't want to revert instantly and make a mess to cleanup, but I feel the original image of Super Mario Bros. gameplay would be a much better fit here. It's better demonstration of what Mario does with the powerup (and not just the powerup itself), as this article is about the character and not the items he uses. Also, the image has an additional role of showing old Super Mario gameplay. Panini! • 🥪 15:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@Panini! If that's the case then it should be a video of how Mario picks up a power-up and how he uses it. Not just a picture; it just shows Mario throwing a fireball, but not how power-up actually look, so I added detailed power-up image instead. Although this gif might be useful.[3] Kazama16 (talk) 09:20, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Cleanup Begins

Just as a starting point for discussion:

As it is my favorite part of the article process I will be overhauling Concept and creation to begin; making sure the section is fully comprehensive and cleaning up as I go. I'm not one for working as I go in main space, so I will be rewriting this at User:Panini!/sandbox4.

This will include reorganizing the sections to be about "History", "Characteristics", and "Voice acting". Some details from Characteristics will also be merged here (just as a heads up, while many of these sections will likely be expanded, Characteristics will be shrinking, and by a lot.) Panini! • 🥪 00:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

 Working... Panini! • 🥪 23:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

"Wowee" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Mario (character)?

I think the article for Mario the character should be changed to Mario (character) and the overall franchise should be called just Mario, like most other video game character articles like Sonic and Crash Bandicoot. 2601:243:C901:4600:4006:2415:2EF7:D279 (talk) 01:52, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey it just weird to see that Mario the character is just titled Mario while other titular video game mascots such as Donkey Kong and Pac-Man have character disambiguation however, you could see the previous discussion about it and it requested move so be happy. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 03:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Different articles have different disambiguation for different reasons. Keeping them all the same isn't a valid reason by itself. Sergecross73 msg me 12:22, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Trimming the gameplay is a must

Look, I know this is going to be a contentious statement, but a good chunk of this article reads more like it's a series article than about Mario, the fictional character. The article doesn't need this much detail on how he plays in certain titles between 2D and 3D, or a detailed list of powerups. Keep It Simple: a brief description of him being able to use powerups, the fact they change his color palette or add elements, and the most mainstream ones. Look at an example like Kirby (character), where you have a long running protagonist over a whole variety of game styles...but it doesn't go into excessive detail and just gives the readers basics on things.

I really feel nuking the whole section is in order: isolate it to a subpage so it can be worked on, and distilled down to the information needed. Leaving it here is going to have the too many cooks problem where we'll try to fix it and someone else will 'help' by adding in a bunch of details back in. Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Kazama has been adding a ton of content lately. A lot of it good...but a lot of it excessive too. I'd been holding off, because Panini and a bunch of WT:VG regulars were discussing reworking things too, and figured I'd jump in then. But I'll jump in whenever you or anyone else does.

Kazama, since I assume you'll see this: I mean no disrespect. You've added a bunch of good content. But I think we need to be more selective in what we add. The article is already huge and there's a lot of stuff to cover. But there's also a lot of other articles where stuff can be covered. (Wonder gameplay can be covered at Wonder or the Super Mario article, for example.) Certain things, like celebrities dressing up like Mario...probably don't need to be covered at all. You add some good stuff. But you also could use some editors refining your output as well. (As do we all.) Sergecross73 msg me 14:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Kanye West controversy involving Mario

Check the sources to know more about this topic. [4] [5] [6] [7] 39.50.254.201 (talk) 19:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Sounds more like a Kanye story than a Mario one. I don't think it particularly belongs here. Sergecross73 msg me 19:22, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

My general rule of thumb is anything that affects the character itself; tangentially related events are best for their own subject article instead, and that includes what could be put in the reception and legacy sections. Panini! • 🥪 23:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2024

The pronunciations of Mario in the lead need stress symbols, i.e. ˈ (it’s different than a comma), at the start. 2001:BB6:B84C:CF00:3D6E:3EAD:A212:A54C (talk) 18:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 00:31, 20 April 2024 (UTC)