Talk:Motor Torpedo Boat
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- 1 Torpedo boat
- 2 Weapons
- 3 Images
- 4 Insect Class
- 5 US MTB?
- 6 Polish Flotilla - Coastal Forces in WW2
- 7 Error in first sentence
- 8 further doubts
- 9 first or only
- 10 The Bofors gun
- 11 RCN MTB
- 12 Scope and rename?
- 13 Requested move 20 October 2013
- 14 Move discussion in progress
The articles "torpedo boat" and "motor torpedo boat" need sorting out. Please see Talk:Torpedo boat for discussion on merging information on that page with this one. Philip Baird Shearer 12:56, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
What is about MTBs today??--18.104.22.168 20:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
afaik the 40mm was an Bofors not an Oerlikon--WerWil 16:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Vickers .50 machine gun - a standard RN weapon of WWII, particularly in the Mk III, often as a quad mounting. Shem (talk) 19:09, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Why the Thumbs so small? there is a lot of Space!--WerWil 21:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- WP:Thumbnail - "In general, do not define the size of an image unless there is a good reason to do so: some users have small screens or need to configure their systems to display large text; "forced" large thumbnails can leave little width for text, making reading difficult. In addition, forcing a "larger" image size at say 260px will actually make it smaller for those with a larger size set as preference." Shem (talk) 19:09, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Do this ships really belong to this article? They were several times als big as later MTBs and one can hardly say they were fast. So I guess they are not really well listed here.--WerWil 16:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
- I agree and I've deleted the paragraph. It contained at least two errors. The HMS Cricket launched in 1905 or 1906 was a Cricket class coastal destroyer, whereas the Cricket launched in 1915 was a different type of warship, an Insect class river gunboat or "China gunboat" intended specifically for rivers, with shallow draught, heavy guns, no torpedoes and powerful engines. Secondly, an "MTB" is different to a "torpedoboat", perhaps not in purpose, but certainly in concept (smaller, faster, differently powered), IMO. I would say that MTB = MAS = E-boat and "torpedoboats" tended to be more small destroyers - see German torpedoboats of World War II. Folks at 137 (talk) 18:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I thought the US called this type of vessel a Patrol Torpedo boat (PT boat...as in PT109)? It seems odd listing the Royal Navy last when I'm sure it originated the term. I doubt it was used by non-English speaking contries, and Canada used it as it followed the pattern of the 'mother' country. Aodhdubh (talk) 00:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Polish Flotilla - Coastal Forces in WW2
My dear Dad, Thomas William Lofthouse, served on MTB's with the Polish Flotilla during WW2, and I wish you would include either a Section on these, or at least a link to Wikipedia entry "Polish contribution to World War II" which contains a link to their Veterans organisation. <firstname.lastname@example.org> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 20:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Error in first sentence
- Rolls-Royce Engines afaik there was only one single Boat that was tested whith RR Merlin motors. (A. Konstam)
- 140 nm range for the RCN Boats is not enough.--WerWil (talk) 01:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
first or only
I don't want to start an edit war, but the Petropavlovsk was sunk in 1919 by a CMB. While it was in Kronstadt harbour the water was shallow and the superstruktures of the ship remained above the surface. Look here  and you will find this:
- August 17th/18th
- ... Accounts vary, but both Dobson's 'CMB-31' and Steele's 'CMB-88' appear to have made one hit
- each on the two biggest ships. Dreadnought 'PETROPAVLOSK' (1914, 24,000t, 12-12in) sinks in
- shallow water and is salvaged later, and pre-dreadnought 'Andrei Pervozvanny' (1908, 17,400t,
- 4-12in) seriously damaged.
If you say it was not sunk while not totaly submerged, than you have to claim that German battleship Tirpitz was never sunk or SMS Hindenburg was not sunk a.s.o.--WerWil (talk) 13:15, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
The Bofors gun
"From the bridge of an MTB showing the aft Bofors gun and MTB 378 at speed astern in the Mediterranean."
This quote is taken from the 'Description' of the second ('MTB in the Meditraneann') picture. Yet I can find no mention of a Bofors gun in the 'armament' sections of the different types or, for that matter, anywhere else in the article. Plenty of Oerlikons but no Bofors. Judging by the picture some MTBs were equipped with Bofors but there is no mention apart from Canadian boats.
RASAM (talk) 21:38, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
- I've seen this photograph in a book, where it was said, that the Boat from which this Photo was taken, were a 78 foot Higgins MTB of us-production, fittet whith a Bofors-gun build in licence in canada. BTW the boat following thereafter is a vosper-design but build in the US.--WerWil (talk) 16:58, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Scope and rename?
Per recent catgeorization changes, Is this article about RN MTBs, or about motor torpedo boats in general?
We can justify both articles, although we don't have much on an RN article as yet. If it's on the general type, should this be Motor Torpedo Boat or motor torpedo boat? Andy Dingley (talk) 10:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Requested move 20 October 2013
Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Motor Gun Boat which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 07:45, 31 October 2013 (UTC)