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Archive 1

Editorial clarifications

"and the like" is not clear; I specified what those examples have in common: seriousness of the crimes and notoriety of the criminals due to those crimes; main current notability of the person being his or her criminal conviction. Added some related emphasis to following sentence as well. Please see some related discussion in Talk:Lewis Libby#Criminal infobox and Talk:Lewis Libby#Edit war. People who had extensive articles on them prior to their conviction of crimes are already deemed notable enough to have such extensive articles; their later criminal convictions did not lead to their having detailed articles about them in Wikipedia, because they were already notable enough for other reasons to have such articles (e.g., Martha Stewart, Winona Ryder; but Lewis Libby was barely on the Wikipedia radar until his involvement in the Plame affair and his indictment and conviction relating to that involvement. His notability, notoriety, and legal disbarment is a direct result of the conviction following the indictment. --NYScholar 20:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Usage

I think this page could definitely do with a usage section detailing what information to put in the boxes. For example, regarding conviction(s) - do we want to list each conviction separately, or just sum them up - e.g. Robbery (3 counts), Murder (2 counts) In particular, "status" and "occupation" need explanation - do we mean current occupation or their occupation before jail time? By status, do we mean whether the person is alive, or more specifically whether they're in jail or at large. Some of these may seem rather obvious, but, it would do with some stating. I'll start up a section at the top of this talk page. -Elizabennet | talk 18:48, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Opinion on the record

  • This template should be deleted -- as should most infobox templates. There are lots of criminals that are also authors, politicians, and have other accomplishments and this just senselessly complicates the matter.EvanCarroll (talk) 19:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
If someone is in prison because of a criminal conviction, isn't it important to use this infobox? An incarceration would suggest that their station in life has significantly changed from their previous occupation. Switzpaw (talk) 05:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Viewpoint

I do not think that it is proper to list the charges against a person. The only thing that really counts the what the person was convicted of. Especially if there was a trial: the person was still charged with something and, if found innocent, was convicted of nothing and still has no criminal record. That means if the trial is still pending, then you should note that also. That can present difficulties if the person dies before being brought to trail, but if in doubt, then do not ues this template. To be resonable, I guess I will leave the name of the template parameter as is, until I summon the motive to edit the current usages, but I changed the lable.--76.203.48.177 00:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree that charges should be removed from the template. If it is relevant to mention charges, those details belong in the article body with more information about the case. Switzpaw (talk) 07:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I concur. I came here after following the setup on Alan Passaro; according to the infobox, he was "convicted" of murder, but his penalty was to be "acquitted" of self defense. That's confusing to say the least.--ip.address.conflict (talk) 02:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Charge vs. conviction

I notice that a lot of pages that transclude this template have a "charge = ..." I can see the logic for changing it to "conviction = ..." e.g., the desire to put the dates of convictions in that field, etc. However, now we have no place for charges they were acquitted of. So, I think we should have both. EVCM (talk) 05:05, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Move suggestion

Maybe a technical point, but I noticed that this infobox is being used on pages of those accused of crimes in addition to those of convicted criminals. Perhaps we could move this to Template:Infobox Accused or something similar to avoid pronouncing judgment on those who might be falsely accused. Nathan McKnight -- Aelffin (talk) 21:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT field for images

{{editprotected}}

Per WP:ALT please add an ALT field for images by finding the following code: 

[[File:{{{image_name}}}|{{{image_size|frameless}}}|center]]

And replacing it with: 

[[File:{{{image_name}}}|{{{image_size|frameless}}}|center|alt={{{image_alt|}}}]]

Done Gary King (talk) 17:34, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done I also added an extra <includeonly> for documentation page. Plastikspork (talk) 17:51, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Width

The box width should be increased at least 3 more ems. The word "Convictio(s)" wraps around.Wkharrisjr (talk) 17:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you provide an example of this wrapping? It does not wrap in the examples that I have seen. Thanks. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:41, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Fix microformats

{{editprotected}}

Please change: 

<code>
<table class = "infobox  vcard vevent" style="width: 21em; font-size:90%; text-align: left; align: right;" cellspacing="2">
<tr><th colspan="2" style="text-align: center;"><big class="fn summary">{{{subject_name|{{PAGENAME}}}}}</big></th></tr> 
</code>

to: 

<code>
<table class="infobox vcard" style="width: 21em; font-size:90%; text-align: left; align: right;" cellspacing="2">
<tr><th colspan="2" style="text-align: center;"><big class="fn">{{{subject_name|{{PAGENAME}}}}}</big></th></tr> 
</code>

to remove the erroneously-emitted hCalendar microformat (people are not events), as done on most other such infoboxes, recently. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:53, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

 Done Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
And quickly. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:29, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Signature

I'd like to suggest that an option for a signature be added to this infobox, but I can't do so myself because the source markup is locked. Awickert (talk) 05:55, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean a handwritten signature or a crime signature? momoricks 00:19, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Probably means handwritten signature like {{infobox scientist}}, {{infobox artist}}, ... I don't seen any reason in principle why this wouldn't be possible. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:21, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Birth name

"birth_name" is specified in the blank template, but there's no space for it in the actual infobox. Please fix. EamonnPKeane (talk) 15:49, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

 Done Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Style edits

I've created a sandbox for this template with a new version which uses wikitable syntax and the same styling as is used in the {{infobox}} meta-template. Comments? If this goes ahead then the next step will be a full migration to use {{infobox}}. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:40, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

{{editprotected}} Requesting sync as this didn't get a response. Code has been updated but the spirit remains that same as when proposed. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 01:24, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
There were a couple bugs, but it appears to be working. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Convert to {{infobox}}

{{editprotected}} Code is in the sandbox; no output changes, just significant code cleanup. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:24, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Done. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:00, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

'conviction(s)' splitting onto two lines

In Opera 10, "Conviction(s)" is wrapping to two lines splitting at the parentheses. Is there a way to explicitly ask the table not to linewrap? Presumably this affects other infoboxes. +sj+ 04:50, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

I added a nowrap, but I don't have Opera to test the fix. Revert if this doesn't fix it. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:18, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

why no inclusion of race?

Why is race left out? Some cases such as Murder of Robert Eric Wone also involve sexual identity. Bachcell (talk) 00:39, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

In that case I suppose it would be well discussed in the text? Not everything needs to go in the infobox? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Status

The parameter |status= is used in other biographical infoboxes for such things as marital status. To avoid confusion, I'd like to have it rename here (first by duplication, then a BOTREQ to change all instances of the template using that parameter, then removal of the original). What would be a good new name? |conviction-status=? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:45, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure, or |conviction_status=. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
That's better. Do you think we should rename |penalty= to |conviction_penalty= at the same time, for consistency & clarity? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Seems reasonable. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:15, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

So, will changing: 

| data8      = {{{penalty|}}}
| label9     = Status
| data9      = {{{status|}}}

to [redacted] suffice as the first, temporary, step, or do we need conditional statements? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:32, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

The following would be better, as it wouldn't allow for both at the same time. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:06, 27 March 2010 (UTC) 

| data8      = {{{conviction_penalty|{{{penalty|}}}}}}
| label9     = Status
| data9      = {{{conviction_status|{{{status|}}}}}}

{{editprotected}}

Thank you. {{editprotected}} as above, please. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:52, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Done. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:09, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. BOTREQuest made. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:56, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
BRFA filed. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:33, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Doing the main run right now; BRFA has been approved. This may take a while, but probably not too long. — The Earwig (talk) 01:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

{{editprotected}} The BOT run is complete, so now we need to make the last step, and change: 

| data8      = {{{conviction_penalty|{{{penalty|}}}}}}
| label9     = Status
| data9      = {{{conviction_status|{{{status|}}}}}}

to: 

| data8      = {{{conviction_penalty|}}}
| label9     = Status
| data9      = {{{conviction_status|}}}
Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:47, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I believe I you wanted to make these optional, so I added a couple pipes. Also, we should probably add a tracking category since the bot run just finished, and sometimes these edits get reverted either due to a misunderstanding or due to intermediate vandalism. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:16, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 Done. Tracking category Category:Infobox criminal uses with incorrect parameters also added. This could be removed after a couple of weeks I think. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:47, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, both. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:44, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Religion as an entry in the template

I strongly believe that religion should be one of the categories in the template, particularly because there is no "terrorist" infobox since I imagine it is too controversial. Take the example of Najibullah Zazi or Baruch Goldstein, etc. This is a germane example where religion should be noted. Looking forward to your thoughts. Plot Spoiler (talk) 22:26, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Also nationality as stated as being on the template but it's not actually in the coding. Can that be fixed? Plot Spoiler (talk) 16:35, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Education as an entry in the template

Perhaps the academic background of the subject (e.g. schools attended) would be factual data that is not prone to controversy. What is the consensus on adding this field? KimChee (talk) 01:43, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Sodabottle, 6 May 2010

{{editprotected}} nationality field is not coded. Please add it.

Sodabottle (talk) 10:52, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Interesting - I wonder why this is documented but not implemented? I won't add your suggestion right away because infobox fields can be controversial. Let's see what other people think. Feel free to reactivate the request if there is support for this. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
So you're still going to encode nationality which is in the document??? What about religion per my request above? It is clearly an important field, particularly for terrorists. For understandable reasons there isn't a terrorist infobox, hence, religion should be a component of the criminal infobox, which is frequently used for such figures. Plot Spoiler (talk) 13:15, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Nationality, religion, and ethnicity are all somewhat controversial fields which have been the subject of numerous threads. I would say some level of wider discussion on this issue would be good before adding or removing any of these fields. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Also now an issue at Template talk:Infobox snooker player #Nationality in infobox. I agree that a centralised discussion to agree a policy (via MoS?) applicable to all biographical infoboxes would be sensible. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:55, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Just because it's "controversial" and some people don't like it doesn't mean it shouldn't be implemented. Instead, we could create a "Template:Infobox Terrorist" but that would be a lot more controversial. Barring that, I don't see how nationality and religion would not be included. Plot Spoiler (talk) 13:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Use {{Infobox military person}}; see, for example, Seán Mac Stíofáin. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:53, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Definitely does not make sense for transnational terrorists (September 11 hijackers) as well as homegrown terrorists (Times Square car bombing, London Tube bombings, etc.). These are not military personnel. The IRA actually had a clear command structure. Plot Spoiler (talk) 14:06, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Regardless, of the infobox name, which is just a label, and not seen by the reader, it's the right infobox to use, if it has the necessary fields (all others being optional). Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 14:20, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
What? It doesn't contain any of the categories I addressed above, included nationality, religion, etc. Wholly inadequate. Plot Spoiler (talk) 14:45, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
It has |allegiance=. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 14:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
I second Plot Spoiler's requests. Adding someone's religion is far less controversial than adding their relatives--Shakehandsman (talk) 02:10, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Parents ? Children? Spouse?

What is the justification/guidance on including parents, children, or spouses in this template? If they were not involved in the crime or case, they should be left out. As it stands, the template leaves it open to include them without restriction. But what about WP:PRIVACY? That should be a factor and as such it should be mentioned as guidance. --S. Rich (talk) 04:33, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree that all non-notable relatives should not be included. Would you like to update the documentation? Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:51, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Well, I've taken a stab (e.g., assault) at fixing the documentation. Please have a look. Thanks. --S. Rich (talk) 02:03, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Additional fields

The following fields were added:

  • (1)Reward_Amount = Amount of money that the Government(s) is/are paying for information leading to the capture of the criminal
  • (2)Capture Status = Current Status (Fugitive, Arrested, Killed, etc)
  • (3)Wanted_By = (DEA, London Yard, Interpol, etc)
  • (4)Partner = Prominent criminal partners of this criminal
  • (5)Wanted_Since = (2005, etc.)
  • (6)Time_At_Large = (5, etc.) This, of course, is a function of Wanted_Since field
  • (7)Predecessor = Name of the person from whom the criminal took a criminal post, if any; useful for cases of criminals belonging to a mafia family or to a drug cartel, etc., when the criminal took over the organization after the head of a crime family or cartel was eliminated
  • (8)Successor = Name of the person who took over after this criminal was assassinated; useful for criminals belonging to mafia families or drug cartels, etc., when another criminal took over the family or cartel after this criminal was eliminated, etc
  • (9)Comments = free-text for any other important additional information

My name is Mercy11 (talk) 02:41, 20 September 2012 (UTC), and I approve this message.


Also adding height and weight; used in the Person infobox template, equally -- if not more -- useful in the Criminal infobox template. My name is Mercy11 (talk) 00:43, 28 September 2012 (UTC), and I approve this message.

Nationality

I added nationality to the template, but somehow it does not show. Does anyone know why? If so, please, change the template. Seems to me that is important information. - DonCalo (talk) 17:25, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, nationality is missing from the template although it is listed in the documentation. It would be great if that parameter worked. Aisteco (talk) 03:30, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Done! My name is Mercy11 (talk) 01:42, 13 May 2013 (UTC), and I approve this message.

REQUEST FOR HELP: "En dash"

Please note that the "beginyear" and "endyear" parameters of this infobox can create an unspaced en dash where a spaced one should be used instead (see for example the article Dean Corll). This should be fixed. Toccata quarta (talk) 11:11, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2013

Please replace the following lines within the "module" and "module2" parameters 

  | label16    = Reward amount 

  | label17    = Capture status

  | label18    = Wanted by

  | label20    = Wanted since

  | label21    = Time at large  

  | label25    = Escape end


  |label16  = [[List of serial killers by number of victims|Number of victims]]

  |label18  = Span of killings

  |label26  = Date apprehended

  |label27  = Imprisoned at

with 

  | label16    = {{longitem|Reward amount}}

  | label17    = {{longitem|Capture status}}

  | label18    = Wanted&nbsp;by

  | label20    = Wanted&nbsp;since

  | label21    = {{longitem|Time&nbsp;at large}}

  | label25    = Escape&nbsp;end


  |label16  = [[List of serial killers by number of victims|Victims]]

  |label18  = {{longitem|Span&nbsp;of killings}}

  |label26  = {{longitem|Date apprehended}}

  |label27  = {{longitem|Imprisoned at}}

so that unsightly linewraps may be avoided, or, if linewraps are necessary, there isn't a wide gap between the wrapped words.

Thank you, 213.246.118.136 (talk) 11:21, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2014

Please create a template for crime victim. Thank you. Le Prof 71.239.82.39 (talk) 00:14, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

The {{edit semi-protected}} tag is only for specific "change X to Y" requests of the article in question; it is not for general requests such as this. Please take this up at the Wikipedia help desk for further assistance. Thank you. —KuyaBriBriTalk 02:15, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
I would support adding a parameter for victim, since, current, the victims parameter links to serial killer statistics. however, as far as infoboxes go, {{infobox person}} would work for victims. Frietjes (talk) 14:47, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Use of template for people not noted especially as "criminals

AFAICT, it is only used for people whose notability is that of "criminal" (the groups of "examples" showing permitted locations as a secondary infobox had no examples where it was actually used) Collect (talk) 15:38, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

native_name field

There isn't one, as on Template:Infobox_person. Found this out at Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi when I tried to use it. Any reason it isn't included? --220 of Borg 03:05, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Actually that field is in the template 'source code', but not mentioned in the documentation. It doesn't seem to work, at least when I added it and filled it in it did not appear in the infobox. Unless I changed 'infobox criminal' to 'infobox person', then it worked. --220 of Borg 03:31, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

RfC announce: Religion in infoboxes

There is an RfC at Template talk:Infobox#RfC: Religion in infoboxes concerning what What should be allowed in the religion entry in infoboxes. Please join the discussion and help us to arrive at a consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:41, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Sentence field

I see this in the source code but not an out-in-the-open instruction. Shouldn't this be listed as a synonym for conviction_penalty or something? Ranze (talk) 08:20, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

"Killings"?

Seriously? Are we an encyclopedia, or a scoreboard? 🖖ATS / Talk 02:45, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Do you want to propose an alternative? Maybe casualties?- MrX 02:55, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
"Casualties" is not bad; if it's as general as it appears, maybe "Crime(s)", "Incident(s)" or "Aftermath". It depends on what's the specific trigger for the section to show. 🖖ATS / Talk 03:19, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
I don't see how "killings" is a problematic word to use. It is a descriptive word that is to the point when describing what a criminal has done, and providing information on exactly what was done by the criminal is essential information to provide when covering violent incidents. If you are opposed to the word based on the connotation it gives, may I remind you of the euphemism treadmill and how avoiding words that evoke emotional response only leads to more words being avoided in the future. Wikipedia even has this problem, where people write "passed away" instead of "died" due to the thought that it would be less direct, which is something an encyclopedia should avoid. --benlisquareT•C•E 03:35, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
I'm not suggesting euphemism—can't stand 'em, for the most part—I'm suggesting that an equally descriptive word would make its Wikipedia presence look less like a scoreboard ("How many killings did he get? 50? Awesome, brother!") and more like an encyclopedia. 🖖ATS / Talk 03:45, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Template cleanup performed

This infobox needed some serious cleanup help, and I hope I've provided that. Six infoboxes over the years have been merged into this one, many of whose aliases fell by the wayside, and in the meantime, Infobox person has had parameters added, aliased, or changed that weren't reflected here. Here's what I've done, as reflected in this changeset: [1]:

  • Any declared parameter has its braces declaration made, which is what allows it to properly display at all in Infobox criminal.
  • Where aliases exist for parameters declared in Infobox person, they have been added to this template, and 'person' is considered to be the overriding template that 'wins', since this one is derived from it. This means that 'Status', as it does for Person, means 'disappeared_status', NOT 'criminal_status'. There's no perfect way to resolve this conflict (since the parent uses 'status' for purpose A, and child templates of this one used it for purpose B). IMHO it's better to slowly have edits align themselves with the parent template (person). It does, in any case, basically display correctly for people who have used it in this way. You see: 'Status: incarcerated', etc. until these are fixed over time.
  • Where aliases DID exist for merged templates, I have added them wherever it was possible to do so and not conflict with Infobox person. Thus, for example, parameters such as 'image_alt' aliases to 'alt', and 'penalty' and 'sentence' alias to 'criminal_penalty'. This should have been done with the child templates were merged to this one but it appears it never happened.
  • I aligned all of the above to known parameters to the category Category:Pages using infobox criminal with unknown parameters, and there are only about 150 of these that need manual intervention as of this note. There's probably not much choice but to go in and deal with them case by case. (There were as many as 350 when I started this exercise).
  • Barebones TemplateData was added to the docs page. There aren't descriptions, but they do at least have the correct top level parameters and their matched up aliases.

TO DO:

Skybunny (talk) 21:23, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Partners

I have a question about the 'partners' parameter. It is said that this parameter should list only 'other prominent criminal partners of this criminal'. If the partner is themselves a prominent criminal, but they didn't engage in criminal activity together, should they be listed? I'm referring to a situation where two prominent criminals meet in prison and have a prison "gay for the stay" relationship, but were never partners in crime together on the outside. Should such a partner be listed under this parameter? Dash77 (talk) 07:02, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

The partners parameter is, as of 2016, a downstream conflict from Template:Infobox person. In 'person', the partners parameter is used to indicate domestic partnership or other non married-by-term relationships a person has. This parameter's name needs to be changed for at LEAST this reason anyway. I'm thinking something similar to (but perhaps not exactly) 'accomplices' or 'associates_in_crime' or something. Skybunny (talk) 18:01, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

How to wikilink a trial article from template

I do not see a spot for linking the trial article from the template. Am I missing something? Certain criminals have both bio articles and an article on the trial they were known for. What is the best way to handle this? Any help would be appreciated. K.e.coffman (talk) 20:56, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

New field, Rank

Proposing to add a parameter for the "Rank" as many criminals fall under "war criminals" or otherwise hold official ranks. Feedback? K.e.coffman (talk) 23:34, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

New field, "former residence" (for incarcerated persons)

Can "former residence" be added, please? It would be good to use for incarcerated persons. This is because state governments often classify residences of prisoners from their last location as free men/women. @Greggens: WhisperToMe (talk) 22:24, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me @Greggens: WhisperToMe, posting 3-5 reasons for the the item "former residence" would help move this forward.Vwanweb (talk) 02:42, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
@Vwanweb: Some reasons why the item should be used, especially with people with natural life sentences and/or death sentences:
  • Using the wording clarifies that the person no longer lives in the place: for people with natural life sentences and/or death sentences, it's clear that he/she won't be getting out of prison
  • The criminal may identify with his/her hometown; while one who is in prison will remain there forever, he/she may identify with his or her former hometown. I've read that prisoners sometimes have cliques based on their places of origin.
  • For death row inmates, newspapers from their places of origin and/or counties of conviction have access to the executions. For example the State of Texas lists newspapers covering particular executions: http://tdcj.state.tx.us/death_row/dr_media_witness_list.html
WhisperToMe (talk) 06:47, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello WhisperToMe, your reasons for the addition make sense to me. Another benefit for this, is that it could summarize if a criminal was on the run prior to his/her incarceration.Vwanweb (talk) 07:13, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Edit request: "Killings" is an Heading title

When certain parameters are populated, a Heading15 entitled "killings" is created in the template, even though the subsection contains injuries, notes, killings, and much more. e.g. - Rancho Tehama Reserve shootings#Perpetrator. Please remove the "killings" heading, or make the heading more generic to cover any possible data within that subsection. The heading displays at the bottom of the template when certain parameters are populated. Having fun! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 00:23, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Note: @Checkingfax: This template has only been semi protected. Am I missing anything?  —&nbsp Ammarpad (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Ammarpad. No you are not. LOL. I guess I could say: what is a good name for the heading? Or, should we eliminate it? I also did assume at first that it was fully protected. LOL. LOL. Ping me back. Having fun! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 04:09, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
@Checkingfax: So I've thought of "Details" and just realized you've done the same. That's fine  — Ammarpad (talk) 05:11, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Is there a way to add Trial name to infobox?

For the life of me, I could not figure out how to add the link the the trian into the infobox. (Many criminals have notable trials, so I was looking for a way to include the trial link). Could anyone let me know? K.e.coffman (talk) 04:18, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

K.e.coffman, I suppose one could add it as part of |conviction=, but I would support having an additional field for the trial phase. Frietjes (talk) 13:21, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
@Frietjes: I'm not quite familiar with editing infobox templates. Is this something you may be able to do? If not, no worries, I'll try to figure it out. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:21, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 1 May 2018

Note: Please do a view-source to see that there is a non-breaking space needed between "Span" and "of". Thank you.

  • Change:
| label18    = {{longitem|Span of killings}}
  • To:
| label18    = {{longitem|Span of crimes}}

Reasoning for this edit: criminals do much more than kill during their crime span (robbery, rape, burglary, arson, etc.). Ping me back! Having fun! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 04:15, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done. There's already a non-breaking space between "Span" and "of". Cabayi (talk) 06:05, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

RfC on "trial" parameter

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Based on the discussion, three new parameters |trial=, |trial_start=, and |trial_end= have been added to the template. The "trial" field should only be used if it is bluelinked - this is actually hardcoded into the template (if this bold decision was undesirable please let me know). Primefac (talk) 14:39, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


Please add "trial" parameter to the template as some criminals have notable trials associated with them. --K.e.coffman (talk) 01:45, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:11, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Should the "trial" parameter be added to the template?

My rationale is based on the fact that some criminals have notable trials associated with them. --K.e.coffman (talk) 01:06, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Survey

  • Support This could apply to cases like the Mafia Commission Trial. While many famous trials don't apply to strict "criminals" per se, this addition would still be useful. --Elephanthunter (talk) 21:46, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Support per nom (Summoned by bot) Thanks, L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 21:03, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Inquiry: What goes in this field, exactly? A Wikilink if there is a notable trial or trials associated with the individual in question? Snow let's rap 03:57, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Well, in that case, I can support the proposal in principle, but I'm not sure you're gonna get much use out of the parameter with regard to warcriminals; other than with regard to the Nuremberg trials and Nazis in general, perpetrators of mass atrocity crimes tend to be so polarizing that using Infobox criminal is going to be a no-go for them; no matter how vicious and horrific their acts, someone is always willing to go to the BLP mat to keep "prejudicial" content (that is, anything that labels them a criminal, even if they were convicted of atrocity crimes) out of the article, particularly if it would otherwise be prominently placed early in the article. I suspect that this parameter will instead be used mostly for more conventional criminals, where they have a notable trial associated with them which is the subject of it's own article (Trial of O.J. Simpson springs to mind). Which is fine; I don't see any harm in that. But I think in that case someone should come up with useful precatory hidden text that explains that this parameter is not to be used to introduce minutia for trials which are themselves not notable enough for their article, or else I'd guess we're gonna see a fair bit of people doing WP:OR about trials and dropping it into that field. Snow let's rap 18:54, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Yes, it makes sense to add the language of <!-- Do not include unless notable (blue-linked). --> to the template's explanatory notes; compare to the parameter of "spouse". K.e.coffman (talk) 18:59, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. Applodion (talk) 21:43, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Support nom's proposal to have a parameter where we link to the trials. However, I also think we should have not only "trial" (Parameter for the article on the trial itself, if available, could also be named "trial_article" but that would not likely be necessary) but "trial_location" (Where did the trial happen?) and "trial_date" (or "trial_start_date" and "trial_end_date"?) With that being said, I don't want to deter the discussion if it would be difficult to get a consensus to add several trial-related parameters, so in any case consider this a support !vote for the nominator's original proposal. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 05:14, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Two requests

I'm requesting that the display order of parameter "| trial = " be changed to go directly after "| criminal_charge = ". Otherwise, the display order is currently "Conviction charge", then "Conviction Penalty", then "Trial", which is out of order: sample article.

The second request is to drop "Conviction" from "Conviction penalty", to simply read "Penalty". The qualifier does not appear to necessary, and it also takes two lines in the infobox. --K.e.coffman (talk) 22:52, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

K.e.coffman, honestly, I could get behind moving all of the "trial" or "justice" related fields into their own subsection, so that we wouldn't have them mixed in with biographical details. Thoughts? Enterprisey (talk!) 23:33, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
@Enterprisey: Re: "own subsection", do you mean in the layout of the template (code), or in the way the template is displayed? If the latter, I'm not sure it's necessary, as the current presentation seems to work. Such as here sample article: first "Known for" (his crime); then "Criminal charge" etc. Could you clarify? --K.e.coffman (talk) 23:55, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
K.e.coffman, sure - while I was looking at the full preview of the template, with all parameters, it looked like the biographical ones were mixed in with the crime-related ones. If this isn't the case in practice (and I'm not sure, as I don't edit in this subject area often), I think it would be fine if we didn't move crime-related lines to their own subsection. Enterprisey (talk!) 00:03, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm with Enterprisey on this one; some params like "reward amount" come after the convictions! It would make more sense to have separate sections for biography, criminal history, and (apparently) occupational history. I've disabled the TPER for now until a consensus can be reached about what should go where and what makes the most sense. Primefac (talk) 22:29, 16 September 2018 (UTC) (please ping on reply)

Revisiting

It does not appear that much discussion has occurred on the larger issues of the template organisation. That's why I'd like to revisit the requests, to see if they can be implemented.

  • I'm requesting that the display order of parameter "| trial = " be changed to go directly after "| criminal_charge = ". Otherwise, the display order is currently "Conviction charge", then "Conviction Penalty", then "Trial", which is out of order: sample article. See also, for example, Rudolf Hoess, where "spouse & children" come in between "Criminal penalty" and "Trial".
  • The second request is to drop "Conviction" from "Conviction penalty", to simply read "Penalty". The qualifier does not appear to necessary, and it also takes two lines in the infobox.

--K.e.coffman (talk) 17:15, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

K.e.coffman, the charge and penalty parameters and labels are being passed through to {{infobox person}}, which is why they are above the rest. I made some changes in the sandbox. it would be helpful if you could check the testcases and see if the order and labels are acceptable. Frietjes (talk) 17:26, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
@Frietjes: thank you. Blobel looks file, but Hoess still has his family mixed up with his criminal activity / punishment, such as:
Known for | Commandant of Auschwitz concentration camp
Spouse(s) | Hedwig Hensel (m. 1929) [1]
Children | 5
Criminal charge | Nazi crimes against the Polish nation
I would just put all relatives-related entries at the bottom, as the criminals' family tend to be the least important aspect of their biographies. K.e.coffman (talk) 17:40, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
K.e.coffman, the problem is that "known for" could be something non-criminal. it would be good to see all the places where "known for" is used, to make sure that it won't be a problem to move it to the criminal-specific section. Frietjes (talk) 18:24, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
As I read the request, they are not asking for "known for" to be moved downwards, they are asking for family/relatives to be moved down. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:21, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
@Frietjes: MSGJ is correct; my request was to move family / relatives entries to the bottom, not move "Known for" down. However, if this is for some reason not feasible, then the changes as shown on Paul Blobel & Hoess templates in the "testcase" area would be acceptable. This would resolve the issue of the "trial" parameter appearing out of order. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:26, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Revisiting (2)

  1. I'm requesting that the display order of parameter "| trial = " be changed to go directly after "| criminal_charge = ". Otherwise, the display order is currently "Conviction charge", then "Conviction Penalty", then "Trial", which is out of order: sample article. See also, for example, Rudolf Hoess, where "spouse & children" come in between "Criminal penalty" and "Trial". Please see testcases (Paul Blobel & Hoess) where the change has been implemented.
  2. A separate, add-on request is to have family / relatives entries ("spouse"; "childred") display at the bottom of template, when appearing in live articles. Compare with:
Known for | Commandant of Auschwitz concentration camp
Spouse(s) | Hedwig Hensel (m. 1929)
Children | 5
Criminal charge | Nazi crimes against the Polish nation
... where spouce and childred appear before the criminal charge. However, if this is for some reason not feasible / desirable, then please ignore this part (#2).
--K.e.coffman (talk) 18:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
The second request is not presently feasible with the current design of this template, which is to act as a passthrough for Template:Infobox person. The likelihood of modification at that template is near-0. Looking into the first one. --Izno (talk) 13:57, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 Partly done: Did the first request per sandbox. Not done on the second. I also did not pull a category change that was in the sandbox. Izno (talk) 14:14, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Adding an option to embed Spacing/embed title issue

name
Genresgenre
Criminal information
Bornbirth date
Criminal statusconviction_status

I'm not sure how to add |embed= (or |child=?) but it would be nice to have that functionality. Does everyone else agree...?--Ilovetopaint (talk) 19:27, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Ilovetopaint, already has |child=. Frietjes (talk) 22:12, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Sorry what I meant was the ability for this infobox to be embeddable onto others. AFAIK this isn't currently possible. --Ilovetopaint (talk) 09:16, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

I realized this can't be done without rewriting the template from scratch, since it's basically a duplicate of Template:Infobox person. That also explains why there are some spacing issues.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 12:32, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Ilovetopaint, why rewrite it from scratch? the example posted here shows that it can be embedded. Frietjes (talk) 15:14, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
??? The last time I tried that was probably a few months ago and I don't recall it working. Thanks for that realization. --Ilovetopaint (talk) 15:21, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
In any case, it still needs to be rewritten. Putting all the additional values under |module= creates a spacing issue on most articles. See the spacing between "parent(s)" and "motive" on Mark David Chapman.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 15:32, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
...And another thing wrong with that test example is that the "Criminal information" header is not stylistically consistent with the other headers of the infobox.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 15:55, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion regarding the use of infobox criminal for military personnel

There is a discussion regarding the use of infobox criminal for military personnel here in case anyone is interested. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:46, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Italics

Please change this infobox so that titles of articles that use it are not automatically italicized. This is a wrapper for {{Infobox person}}, not {{Infobox court case}}, and titles of biographies of people should never (or rarely?) be italicized. R2 (bleep) 17:21, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: It is not clear what changes you are asking for. This infobox does not appear to italicize article titles (see Al Capone for an example). As an aside, for requesting edits, you should generally use the {{edit protected}} template to get attention. Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:03, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Ah, I figured out my misunderstanding. Sorry for bothering you. R2 (bleep) 18:10, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Language variants

We currently have the field "organization"; is there any way to haver an alternative (or at least a way to tweak the spelling) to allow "organisation"? Currently the article on the Kray twins uses the standard British "organisation" or "organised", but the US spelling in the IB, which is a failure of MOS:ARTCON. - SchroCat (talk) 12:03, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

João Vale e Azevedo

Infobox criminal is rarely used where notability is not due primarily to the person being a convicted criminal. João Vale e Azevedo (BLP) was initially known for being president of S.L. Benfica (and a lawyer), but nowadays he is known as a president who stole from the club. So, this begs the question: is the usage of {{Infobox criminal}} in his article correct? SLBedit (talk) 20:50, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Weight is an unknown parameter

When I copy-paste the blank template into my sandbox and try to add a value to weight (MWE from trying to do this on a real page) I get this error message

Warning: Page using Template:Infobox person with unknown parameter "weight"

Has anyone seen this before? Is it a known issue? Archon 2488 (talk) 15:26, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Archon 2488, this parameter was removed in this edit by Jonesey95 in November 2019. most likely related to this thread at infobox person. Frietjes (talk) 15:49, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for this clarification. Should weight be removed from the blank template on the documentation page, then? Archon 2488 (talk) 15:52, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Yes indeed. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I have removed |weight= from this template, and Frietjes has fixed the documentation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:40, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
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