User talk:Jweiss11

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Please see this and let me know what you think. Jsharpminor (talk) 03:28, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Hyphens and emdashes[edit]

Thanks for nominating my categories for speedy. Also, en-dashes? And I thought I knew my dashes and hyphens. Apparently not! Jsharpminor (talk) 04:22, 2 January 2015 (UTC)


I notice you like to put categories in alphabetical order. Just out of curiosity why don't you put "Living People" alphabetically?--Yankees10 18:21, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I think I got you confused with another editor. Nevermind!--Yankees10 19:23, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Your input is requested[edit]

I know you have commented on the WP:CFB talk page about my proposal to move some of some of the college football season pages. I would like to see what your opinion on the requested move on Talk:1973 college football season & Talk:1977 college football season. Thanks-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 05:29, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages[edit]

Hi -- I thought it might be easier to discuss this here rather than in edit comments... .

There's an aspect to how dab pages should be constructed that sometimes gets overlooked: although most people get that they're not articles, they may miss that no, really: they're not articles. They don't exist to have content; they exist to route you to where the content you want lives.

As such, adding material makes for more stuff to wade through to find the content you want. And since we don't know who "you" are, that means we don't know which entry you want. We just know that usually, all the other entries are ones you don't want, and the wordier the entries you don't want are, the harder it is for you to spot the one you do want.

I mentioned MOS:DABENTRY; Here is the relevant part in its entirety:

Keep the description associated with a link to a minimum, just sufficient to allow the reader to find the correct link. In many cases, the title of the article alone will be sufficient and no additional description is necessary. (emphasis mine)

Usually, the disambiguating term for a page name is designed to uniquely define it. Sometimes, additional distinguishment or explanation is needed, but a "perfect" dab page would have just the page names, and their disambiguating terms would be sufficient.

Given that, an entry like

...has a lot of extraneous material. "Cricket ground" is repeated, so that obviously can go. But also, there are no other cricket grounds on the page, so explaining that it's in West End, Hampshire England isn't necessary, so really is just adding clutter. If I've come to the page looking to find a cricket ground named "Rose Bowl", my search is over even without knowing the part of Hampshire it's located in. If I'm not looking for a cricket ground, that's just more words for me to plow through.

Wikipedia guidelines are that dab pages are best served by being as sparse as we can make them while still directing people to the proper content pages.

Hope this helps --NapoliRoma (talk) 20:30, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Dumb question[edit]

JW, do you happen to know what what percentage smaller the text used in Infobox college coach is compared to regular article text? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:20, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Not a dumb question and one I do not know the answer to. I thought simply looking at the code for the template would reveal the answer, but it seems to be buried in more fundamental, underlying templates. Perhaps check with someone like User:Frietjes? Jweiss11 (talk) 23:26, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
One of the reasons why the infoboxes for CFB and NFL players are too wide is that they use the same size type font as main body text. As part of the redesign of the CFB player infobox, I want to reduce the font size, say split the difference between the font size for the college coach infobox and main body text. I've already invited Frietjes to get involved; I may invite another template editor or wiki-coder to get involved, too. I want significantly upgrade the graphics, too, starting with a more sophisticated use of color; instead of the plain color bars, I want something that looks more like a college stripe at the top, and something that looks more like the graphics for the CFB navboxes for the subsidiary section headers. I also want the primary and section headers reversed out in white for legibility.
FYI, I'm also laying the groundwork to revamp the NFL player infobox, too. It's too damn big, with too many options, and in practice it's often longer than the text for many articles. I want to tackle the CFB player infobox first, though. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:25, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Have you ever heard of Winsipedia?[edit]

I have posted a question on the WP:CFB page about this but I trust your opinion as a regular CFB editor, so I decided to come to the horse's mouth? What do you think of these edits? [1] [2] [3] Thanks,-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 03:54, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

UCO2009bluejay, thanks for the message. Are we talking about Winsipedia or those edits? I'm not too familiar with Winsipedia, but I feel like I've surfed by it once or twice before. Those navboxes edits are not good and they've been rightly reverted. The place to take about what is a national championship, what's a consensus national championship, and what needs to be noted where and how should be discussed at WP:CFB or Talk:College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:09, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Okay, now I see where Winsipedia is mentioned in those edit summaries. The site has some interesting graphics, but it appears to have a superficial level of information. It's certainly no authority on national championships. Compare their list of national championships to the level of detail and explanation found here on Wikipedia. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:28, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
That is exactly what I thought, and attempted to explain to this editor. He/She was adamant that this was "the best source for college football." Well it doesn't compare to even Wikipedia in the amount of CFB coverage, I would go by what the schools claim, the NCAA, and the CFBDW, all of these we use on a regular basis.UCO2009bluejay (talk) 23:17, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Well, the Internets are full of people with people with wack, provincial, and outright delusional opinions about things. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:19, 11 January 2015 (UTC)


Actually, the team disbanded for the last time in 1987. They had disbanded in 1950, but they came back in 1967, playing for 20 more years. I actually didn't know about that until about an hour ago, due to this website: Wikidude10000 (talk) 07:24, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I just saw your edits to Niagara Purple Eagles. Thanks for that. Jweiss11 (talk) 07:25, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Seems that Niagara was a club team as of 1985:,4535530. Jweiss11 (talk) 09:09, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Why do we need a revamped CFB player infobox?[edit]

Here's the perfect example: Denton Fox. Played three years for Texas Tech, first-team All-SWC, first-team All-American by the Football Writers (major selector). Drafted by the Cowboys, but never played in a regular season game in the NFL. This article uses the NFL player infobox, which emphasizes his non-existent NFL career (draft info, list of three NFL preseason/practice squads, NFL non-debut and final year), at the expense of his notable college career. Too many articles about great college football players are using inappropriate pro football infoboxes, which emphasize the wrong data about CFB players. When the pending TfD closes, let's push the new infobox to completion -- and into general use. It's long overdue. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:25, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Isn't it time that TfD is closed already? Jweiss11 (talk) 00:41, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Plastikspork closes 75% or more of all TfDs, and he hasn't edited since December 19. The TfD has been open since December 14 -- 28 days ago. No one has commented since December 31 -- 11 days ago. The !vote count has stood at 7 opposed to the merge vs. 3 for the merge for eleven days. I obviously want to move on the revamped infobox. If no administrator closes it in the next day or so, I will request a close at AN. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Okay. Administrator Martijn Hoekstra closed the TfD this morning after I requested that he look at it. I've pinged all of the WP:CFB participants who I believe are still actively editing on their talk pages. So far, we've gotten responses from about half of two dozen or so. I would be grateful if you would ping the rest on their talk pages -- we really should get feedback from guys like Patriarca, Crazy Paco and Cbl62 (I'll get you a list of everyone I've pinged so far). Like we did with the CFB and CBB coach navboxes, it's important that we get everyone to buy in; it makes implementation and consistent use a lot easier.
FYI, here's some more of Andy's handiwork: User talk:WikiOriginal-9#TfD: screwed-up merge of Template:Infobox Arena Football player, etc. He really has no clue what he's doing with these sports templates, or how they're supposed to be used, but he's clearly convinced that the more related infoboxes he can merge into massive, all-in-one templates, the better. We really need to start paying more attention to TfD, and checking the list every other day or so. I've watch-listed all of what I believe are the relevant sports templates, but Andy flatly refuses to notify the concerned WikiProjects and major template contributors. In some cases, the original template creators have not edited in several years, so we can't rely on getting notice of TfDs that way. A partial solution is we need to get our own house in better order with writing better template documentation and instructions for Infobox college football player, Infobox NFL player, and Infobox gridiron football person, making it perfectly clear under what circumstances each of them is supposed to be used.
There's also a lot of football player infobox clean-up work lurking out there. There are something like 520 former AFL/NFL bios that still use Infobox pro football player (tailored for the old AFL guys), and those will require manual replacement by editors who are familiar with the AFL-NFL merge history, etc. When Andy started the latest TfD, I also did a quick survey of 100 random transclusions of Infobox gridiron football person: about half were CFL players, about 35 to 40% were old-time NFL players, coaches and administrators who were never converted to Infobox NFL player; and another 10 to 15% were notable old-time college players who never played pro football. There are currently about 7,600 transclusions of the "gridiron" infobox, and about half of them need to be replaced. Once we get the CFB player infobox revamped, I suggest we start replacing the infoboxes for the old-time CFB players (including a lot of old-time All-Americans). Given the numbers, we can't do this by ourselves. Cake and WO-9 should be a lot of help in this, once we give them a nice, new, clean template to work with. Plenty of work for everyone. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:55, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── JW, I'm going to be out of pocket for most of the next couple of days, with only limited availability to edit or respond. I've got outstanding requests for comment on the revised infobox template from the following editors who have not yet responded: Dale Arnett, ZappaOMati, Jrcla2, Billcasey905, Crazypaco, Purplebackpack89, Patriarca12, Cbl62, AllisonFoley, UteInDC, Go Phightins!, GrapedApe. If you could nudge them with a reminder ping, I would be grateful, and do what you can to keep an eye on the Sandbox talk page discussion and answer anything that needs to be answered. Also, is there anyone else we should personally invite to comment? If so, please feel free to do so.

You may want to take a look at the ideas for the revamped infobox graphics and design here: User:Dirtlawyer1/sandbox3; I'm waiting on Frietjes to react and provide a feasibility assessment of upgraded design. If she needs help, we can invite another template editor/wiki-coder to assist. Is there are a template editor with whom you have a working relationship?

Now that the TfD is closed, we need to do what we can to get this moving. I think we can have a consensus on what parameters to include by the end of next week. Cake has raised a good question regarding the presentation of nicknames for old-time CFB players, and I think we need to figure out the best way to deal with it (top of the infobox? infobox parameter? separate statement in the first sentence? redirect?). Anyway, that's all I've got for now. I should have full-time access again by the end of the week. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


Have you seen this ( lol. Link is blacklisted. It was in the Wikipedia category. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 01:19, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I had not seen that. Quite the hagiography there. There best part is the Star of David superscripted after my name. I'm going to start signing checks and credit card receipts with that. By the way, been meaning to ask, is your user named a reference to Sons of Anarchy? Jweiss11 (talk) 01:58, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
No, what is the connection though. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 02:44, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Nvm, ref is Redwood Original 9. I would ask you if you were going to edit the ed page but that site and uncyclopedia seem to be have a smaller hardcore following and you have to make an account to edit. The recent changes is smaller so if you edit anything to make it unfunnier it will probably be reverted lol. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 02:52, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
No, I don't plan on editing on that site and getting involved in that nonsense. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:58, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
A wise move. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 03:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm honored to have been lampooned. I must be famous. Now where's that fame money? Jweiss11 (talk) 03:13, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
You must have just made someone mad lol. Also, in the edit summary I'm not making fun of the misspelling. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 04:03, 13 January 2015 (UTC
I think this is our guy: User talk:Jweiss11/Archives/2012#Edit-warring. I exchanged private emails with him. He was trying to claim that the NCAA governed national football titles going back to the 1930s and 1940s. This is, of course, false. Dude was in the Army. Nice way to represent the US. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:20, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Nice, Weiss. You've been immortalized. BTW, how is your sister? LOL And, yes, I did check to see if there was an entry under my username. Unfortunately, I have not made any EncyclopediaDramatica friends, and I am not notable. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:41, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
My sister is well and still female, as always. I heard there was an article for you, but it got AfD'd after a heated discussion determined that you're a non-notable, run-of-the-mill Wikipedia editor who's never won a major award and never garnered more than routine, passing attention from psychos on the Internet. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:46, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
That's me: Mr. Routine Coverage. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
You're like the Susan Lucci of Wikipedia editors. Always a bridesmaid. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Cleveland, Ohio[edit]

Whatever the case may be, the article name is still not 'Cleveland, Ohio' but simply Cleveland, and both Cleveland and Ohio are obviously distinctly different. One is a state and one is a city in that state, and both warrant links in an article -- especially about a player at the Ohio State University. It isn't inaccurate or fundamentally incorrect to list them separately (especially seeing as both city and state are part of the infobox and both have significant articles of their own)Ryecatcher773 (talk) 04:46, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

  • @Ryecatcher: The common practice is to format American cities and states as a single link (e.g., "Cleveland, Ohio") for the sake of clarity and consistency. You can try to change it, but you're going to find most other editors will ruthlessly enforce the standard convention. Jweiss11 is not the only editor who does so. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:00, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Alabama-Florida football rivalry[edit]

You want me to created Alabama-Florida football rivalry it's alright for me Thanks User:AuburnDee. — Preceding undated comment added 06:44, 17 January 2015 (UTC)


Hey, I just wanted to say thanks for reverting my edits on the coaches templates. I changed the dates per MOS:DOB. I guess WP:WikiProject College football has different opinions on that? I thought, and still think, that it looked nicer by shortening the dates. Thanks, Corkythehornetfan (Talk) 23:11, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Corky, thanks for the message. There has been extensive discussion about six-digit vs. eight-digit formats for year ranges with respect to WikiProject College football, WikiProject College Basketball, and other sports projects. I think @Dirtlawyer1: and @Rikster2: know the most about the history of this issue. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:16, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
Alrighty, it really isn't a big deal. Thanks for replying to me! Corkythehornetfan (Talk) 23:28, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
@Corkythehornetfan:, there was extensive discussion about 6-digit vs. 8-digit date formats for sport tenures and the final consensus was that date ranges are expressed as 8-digits (e.g. 2005–2008), while specific seasons for sports that span 2 calendar years (like basketball or hockey) are expressed as 6-digits (e.g. the 2005–06 season). This has been added to Wikipedia's manual of style (see notes here) and is how tenures are handled by most sports. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 23:41, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
@Rikster2: Thanks for the explanation! It makes since now. Corkythehornetfan (Talk) 23:50, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
Rikster, thanks for chiming in. I wasn't sure if the MOS had been updated. Good to know that it has. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:22, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Question about lists of seasons[edit]

In what order do you suggest long list (of lists) that would need to be changed be adjusted. Also, how would these need to be reconciled with the what I call TT (or Michigan) version that is leaner and lists conference record as well where as the Alabama, OU version doesn't.UCO2009bluejay (talk) 16:59, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

UCO, not sure what you are asking above about "order". First step is to figure out what the new, winning format is. Then I'd hit all of the lists that have been rated FL first and convert those, then keep working down the rest of the lists. Let's keep the discussion of this on the CFB talk page, so others can chime in. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 00:33, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
"Working down the rest of the lists" is what I wanted clarification for. But I agree it can wait.UCO2009bluejay (talk) 00:38, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Oh, okay. Yeah, I don't think a absolute strict order of work is needed. I'd just hit the FL ones first. Jweiss11 (talk)

Potential problem edits[edit]

JW, FYI, you probably want to look at this ASAP: WT:CFB#Widespread changes to college sports program articles. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:13, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

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