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Hōnaunau

Thanks for your note — I've changed the Honaunau target as you suggested, and I've restored the park based on the atlas. The coordinates for Hōnaunau, Hawaii are based on the GNIS source, which tends to be highly accurate; if it's a problem, you can contact them to get the error fixed. NRHP data, meanwhile, are based on the "National Register Information System" (NRIS) database, which has plenty of known coordinate errors. I'm changing the NHP coordinates and reporting the error; thanks. Finally, as far as "And of course in Hawaiʻi as you probably know, there are no incorporation boundaries of cities or towns", I'm confused: what's your point? I've been familiar with this for quite a long time (but thanks for making sure that I understand), but what does this have to do with the way in which I edited the Hōnaunau article? Nyttend (talk) 02:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I see what you mean. The boundaries by which I was working were the CDP boundaries, which as you can see by the map in the Honaunau-Napoopoo infobox, actually are rather definite, although I'm sure that they're not marked. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 03:45, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Hawaiian Ocean View Estates

I'm now rather confused, because I tend to depend on the GNIS as the primary source with article such as this (not a CDP, not a municipality), so I can't imagine why I created it at the other title. Thanks for moving it to the correct one! Nyttend (talk) 03:37, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

re: Kuamo'o Burials

Oops. (smacking my head). Sorry about my mistake with the text -- U.S. Department of the Interior info is definitely in the public domain -- and I should have looked more carefully at what I was reading. And you are correct about the reference change -- I only did that to provide others a quick verification of the info since the .gov site had failed. (The .gov site is preferable though). By the way, nice job with this set of articles and the photo uploads. Well done. — CactusWriter | ^needles 04:40, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

PS -- One thing I couldn't quite figure out - are Kuamo'o Burials and Lekeleke Burial Grounds interchangeable names for the same site? — CactusWriter | ^needles 04:49, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, they are the same thing. The sign at the site calls them "Lekeleke" but the NRHP listing says Kuamo'o. I looked into the origin of the names but do not have clues yet. The county map says "Lekeleke". The land division (Ahupua'a) is Honalo, but the USGS has yet another name for the bay, so still wondering where the names come from. W Nowicki (talk) 19:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I went ahead and included the alternative name in the lede. This will help readers avoid any confusion when looking at the photo. And I also added Kuamo'o Bay as the location since that is what the sign says but you can alter that if you discover it is incorrect. Cheers. — CactusWriter | ^needles 19:22, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hawaii/Manual of Style

Hi. I saw your recent comment there. We do need to work these issues out and get some closure. Viriditas (talk) 20:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Imiola Church

Have you thought about submitting DYK's for all of the new articles you are creating? A small blurb (or hook) will appear about them on the main page. You can even add an image. Viriditas (talk) 21:00, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, I did not know about "do you know" protocol (ironic). So far I am mostly adding a few stubs and one or two refs per article because I only have limited time per day. Perhaps Kealakekua Bay might be one that could use some review now that it has some "meat" on it. Even that needs more on the period after 1820. Also I will be gone for much of next week (June 8). W Nowicki (talk) 23:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

No worries. I don't have access to much of the sources needed for Imiola Church, but I may be able to help with others. I see you are doing a lot of work on Hawaii-related articles. WikiProject Hawaii has been somewhat dead lately, but with your help I would like to revive it. It looks like you are doing work mostly with NRHP articles, is that correct? If so, you could help the project by interfacing with that project and drawing up a list of tasks that need completion. And, I'm sure the NRHP project would love to collaborate with the Hawaii project on DYK's. Viriditas (talk) 01:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I looked at the DYK rules and it seems my articles do not qualify. I only have short bits of time to work on Wikipedia, so generally make many small edits. The rules only allow large edits to qualify as I read them, and they need to be submitted immediately. W Nowicki (talk) 00:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

NRIS and FOCUS

I've replied to your comment at WT:NRHP. One question — from the way you spoke, I wondered how you fill out the infoboxes. Are you familiar with Elkman's infobox generator? It's far easier than filling out an infobox manually.

By the way, if you think you have enough information on a site to submit it to DYK, and the timing question is the only hindrance, why don't you write it in your userspace? The time that it's in your userspace, be it a few minutes or a few months, doesn't count toward the five-day time limit for DYK. Nyttend (talk) 00:05, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Haili Church

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Unification of Hawaii

So you are the one working on the Unification of Hawaii! Thanks for helping, I am concentrating on the Hawaiian Revolutions, I had to overhaul the Wilcox Rebellion article. I invite you to help, it will be appreciated Viriditas has been helping me.

72.234.223.116 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.223.116 (talk) 08:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I did a little work on that "campaign" since I ran into it while working on Big Island articles. Amazing how much was missing of the Kamehameha era since it was so pivitol in Hawaiian history. Also did one on the battle at Kuamoʻo. Now doing some work on volcano issues. Actually one is related to both volcanoes and the counter-revolution: see George Lycurgus. Still way too much work to do. I would suggest you register a user name so we can communicate better and you can get proper credit. Mahalo. W Nowicki (talk) 19:42, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Olowalu, Hawaii

Hey I think I had gone to the Volcano House on top of the volcano, right? I played with Olowalu, Hawaii article if I made some errors correct me if I am wrong. I have been trying add appropriate pictures to articles try Wikimedia Commons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.223.116 (talk) 01:39, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I do not agree with all the changes. You seem to be confusing the Olowalu incident (where the Mauians were killed, hardly a "Maui Victory" with the "Fair American" capture. I described them both in this article partially because I do not know exactly where the Fair American capture was. I think it was somewhere on the coast of the big island, not Olowalu. And the Kealakekua bay picture does not belong in an article on Olowalu. That was where Young was captured, but I already mention that in the Kealekekua Bay article. And it is not right to mention "Kingdom of Hawaii" since that was not formed until later. The islands were still separate. I will back those out. W Nowicki (talk) 02:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for George Lycurgus

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DYK nomination of Lorrin Andrews

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Funny tangential connection

I read your Lorrin Andrews article and was struck by the near-miss of the printing press which was used on The Californian (1840s newspaper). According to one of my references, a Captain Shaw tried to sell a well-used Ramage press to a Hawaiian missionary group (probably Andrews) but they had just got one from somewhere else, so they didn't need it. The snubbed Ramage press went on to become California's first. Funny world! Binksternet (talk) 00:34, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

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Thank you for telling me

Thank you very much for telling me about Hawaii's name and how it was spelled. I did not know about the Hawaii project's request for the spelling. Thank for also correcting my error. Hawaii is not really my specialty.--Martin (talk) 20:05, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for William Herbert Shipman

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SoWhy 01:28, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Hawaii DYK's

Hi, you might not be aware that we have a listing of Hawaii-related DYK's (and it needs to be updated) located at Portal_talk:Hawaii/Did_you_know. Items from that list are then added to 6 portal subpages (for example Portal:Hawaii/Did you know/1) for rotation on the main portal page. I think we should only update a central page and transclude or link to it from the project page. Viriditas (talk) 10:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

No, I do not ieven know what a "transclude" is. Might take a look later. Thanks. Having two lists certainly does not work. W Nowicki (talk) 20:38, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Transclusion. You use it all the time. Basically, we just want to keep the list in one place and dip into it using a template that we can place on other pages, such as the project page. Viriditas (talk) 01:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Chiefess Kapiolani

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Thanks (Hassocks5489 loaded this for you) Victuallers (talk) 19:07, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

William Ellis (missionary)

Could you take a look a the layout in this article? The jumbled infoboxes, series templates, photos, and images, are making it difficult to read. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 01:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, it's looking much better. Viriditas (talk) 03:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Kahikolu Church

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Aloha

Hey User:W Nowicki! Nice job on all the articles and all the new pictures! I think you are right about the confusion on Niihau and the Peke part of the name. But I don't think Humehume's mother was most likely a commoner not Kawalu. Kawalu was one of Kaumualii's most sacred wife, his half-sister, his version of Kamehameha's Keopuolani. Any children from her would be insured succession. I haven't studied far into Kauaian geneaologies but I think they had no children. Do you think the article would be better off as Humehume, keeping with Wikiproject rule of not including Christian names in Hawaiian royalty? Are you aware of Abner or Aaron Keliiahonui, Humehume's brother? Please ask me on any questions if you have any. I retreated from creating anymore article but I would love to help.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:13, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, naming the article "Humehume" might be a good idea, since that name is unique. The other royal articles use the name they styled themselves as when they came to power, and although he never did, the "George" names are just too confusing. The other character that needs research is "Deborah Kapule" - the transition from Kingdom of Kauai to governorship is murky to me. If you agree that the "royal ark" site is probably wrong about Kawalu being even a possible mother, I will delete it and say "unknown". I want to finish the "George Prince" article and go back to the big island history.

Do you agree that the Naihekukui could not have been the governor in 1831, since he died in 1825? Alas, there are several other Hawaiians who called themselves "Captain Jack" so this one is murky. I am putting together an article for the Naihe who was Kapiʻolani's usband since he has more sources. I proposed calling it something like "Naihe (orator)" or just "Naihe". Turns out he was a well-known surfer, at some sites I have already written articles about. Thanks for any help. W Nowicki (talk) 16:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, didn't King Kaumualii bear the name George himself? Deborah Kapule was probably the only wife of Kaumualii that modern history has really know. I haven't done much research into her but she was pretty influential during this period. I think Kauai switched from a vassal kingdom to a governorship in 1821 when Kaahumanu imprisoned Kaumualii on Oahu and forced him to marry her. His sons never took power after him. The next governor was Kahalaia Luanuu, Kamehameha's grandson. This might not be cause I can't find any other sources confirming this but the first reliable governor was Kaikioewa, a cousin of Kamehameha I and the hanai father of Kamehameha III. These were all chiefs of the Big Islands so the Kauaians had a iniative to rebel against these foreign intruders as they did in Humehume's time.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:51, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree about Naihekukui not being Governor. I only found it from this site which confused the two Naihes. Do you think Naihe was the governor in question. It seemed to fit. He was given power after Liliha was ousted from power but died before the years end. It should be Naihe not Naihe (orator), but the latter can be a redirect. I didn't redirect Naihe to Naihekukui for reason. Just have links to each other from that page.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:51, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Kainaliu, Hawaii DYK

Hey, just so you know, I've nominated Kainaliu, Hawaii for a DYK. Hope you don't mind. You can see the entry here... — Hunter Kahn _(c) 15:43, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh thanks, I have other DYKs I am pushing. In particular, I put Kainaliu there mostly as a place holder to talk about the Kaona uprising, described in the John Davis Paris article. I guess this means I better fix the typos in it! W Nowicki (talk) 16:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Kinooleoliliha

You should check this article I created and tell me what you think.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 09:20, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Looks nice, especially the picture, although I think there is some confusion over which "Benjamin Pittman" is which. I have the usual preference to use ʻokina consistently, even though they wer not used in those time. And the usual English issues, but I can do a pass on them. W Nowicki (talk) 18:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK for John Davis Paris

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Materialscientist (talk) 11:14, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Hawaii

The above link has a Hawaii-related article up for deletion that you might be interested in discussing at AfD. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 03:08, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Kainaliu, Hawaii

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Copying from other articles

When you copy/move text from other articles you really should put a wiki-link in the edit summary to the article you copied from - this preserves the attributions and avoids breaking our licenses. Not doing it is actually copyright violation. Although I understood your edit summary in the Honolulu article, it wouldn't be clear necessarily to others. I'm probably nitpicking here but I thought you should know. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 22:05, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I do not follow. I would have guessed that people would know that Honolulu is in the state of Hawaii since it clearly states that in the first line of the article. But sure, I can be even more explicit, although most edits I watch have no summaries at all. Please elaborate on the "copyright" issue. I thought copyrighted material was generally not allowed on Wikipedia. Of course "fair use" often limits logos to one article etc., what exactly in the two sentences I moved was under copyright? I moved the citation too. Please enlighten so I do not do the evil deed again. Thanks. W Nowicki (talk) 22:19, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't explain in more detail. If you look at the text below where you edit, it mentions 'contributions under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL. Every edit to article space is copyright even though it can be freely reused if the terms in those two licenses are followed. This means that it must always be possible to trace a particular text to the original editor. For that reason, you need to make it clearly possible in the edit summary to do so. Probably most editors aren't clear about this but it is an absolute must, and editors have been blocked for (an odd thing I admit) refusing to do this. Dougweller (talk) 06:21, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Hawaii overprint note

I'm just going by the references I was presented. Simpson said Oahu Cemetery in his book, Medcaf said Nu'uanu Mortuary when interviewed by the Advertiser. Since both can only seem to "mutually agree" on the notes being burned in a crematorium and not agree on who burned what, I went with the note mark. Now I dunno who's right, who's wrong, or a mere corruption of the story over time (which i'm finding out to be apparent in many Numismatic and NRHP Hawaii Locations related topics i'm currently researching) but for references sake, I have to present both discrepancies in the article. If you can find a much more clearer picture, then by all means, post it up. But as it stands, neither one of them can agree on exact location, so, I had to generalize.--293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 23:58, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

But they are ***THE SAME PLACE*** That is, the Cemetery where the crematory is located is offically called Oahu Cemetery, but locals often refer to it as "Nuʻuanu" because that is the valley it is in. What evidence do you have that they are different places? Please read my comments again and the article. They are the same place. Two names for the same place, as is common in Hawaii, unfortunately. Same place, two names. No conflict, no need for a note. Unless you have any evidence otherwise that there was a second crematory involved? And why did you revert the other changes? Do you have evidence that there is a real issue needing a misleading note? W Nowicki (talk) 00:07, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

The references don't make the distinction. I say again: Simpson said Oahu Cemetery in his book, Medcaf said Nu'uanu Mortuary when interviewed by the Advertiser. So if someone does a fact check and notices the discrepancy, how would they know they are one and the same?? And do bother to reply back at my talk page. --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 21:12, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Verifiability comes to mind. Like I said, a book author mentions one thing, and a newspaper article says another. If someone does a fact check and notices said discrepancy, and it's not reflected in the article, then it raises an issue of whether or not the entire section is fact or fabrication. In fact, you committed the same problem in the Oahu Cemetery article with one of your reference points. The page that it goes to mentions Nu'uanu cemetery, not Oahu cemetery in the passage. Even if you quote other sources, it's still tainted by the fact that some of the sources don't agree with each other on one aspect due to the numerous tellings of the event. Think about it this way: Someone not versed in the local nuances of Hawaii is gonna make the distinction of "what the locals think." They're gonna see a bunch of references, and pose the question as to why Source A and B says this, while Source C, D, and E says this. I think we do have to get a third opinion on it since we have a published book, a digital copy of a newspaper article, and other sources that say different things. See what they think over the issue of several credible sources giving two different locations.
• Oh, and the Internet Wayback Machine proves your right. I'll admit fault on my part, but when I posted the article up, there was an active link to said site. --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 00:18, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

• Please chime in with your side please.--293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 01:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Etiquette and Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Please be mindful of your words. Thank You. --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 10:49, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Humehume

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DYK for Humehume

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DYK nomination of Oahu Cemetery

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The hooks says "was used to burn $200 million", which doesn't mean that the whole amount was burned there. Please contact me ASAP in case of amendments, they are still possible even at the main page. Cheers. Materialscientist (talk) 23:49, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Hawaii hotspot

Your oppertunity has arrived. Be sure to vote :) ResMar 19:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, given that you're interested in Hawaii, you might be interested in this. Just saying :) ResMar 17:07, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Oahu Cemetery

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— Jake Wartenberg 01:14, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Hawaiian royalty

Hi, I saw you working on Keawe-a-Heulu‎ and other related articles, and I wanted to give you a heads up on my concern with the prose, not just in this article but in all of the Hawaiian royalty articles. Some of the content from this set was copied wholesale from the references by other editors so please be on the lookout for this. Viriditas (talk) 23:45, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely, that is why I was working on them. Interesting that whoever copied the old prose, however, seems to have made typos in the process, but kept the dated language. It is very slow, but I am working bit by bit when I have time. I was just editing Naihe for example, so touched some of the linked articles too. Please be patient. The sources are few, and all the different spellings drives me crazy. W Nowicki (talk) 00:03, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your good work. Viriditas (talk) 00:21, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Nice Job

Nice Job. Humehume and Naihe looks great! I added in the Naihe article that he was buried in the Royal Mausoleum because he was. Also Naihe was Kapiolani's step brother. They didn't have the same parents although Naihe's mother and Kapiolani's father did marry. Are you sure that Miriam Kekauōnohi and Anna Kekauōnohi? I thought they were two different person. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I saw your Legislature of the Hawaiian Kingdom. Did you check the The 1840 constitution of Hawaii; it shows the members: Kekāuluohi, Hoapiliwahine, Kuakini, Kekauōnohi, Kahekili, Pākī, Kōnia, Keohokālole, Leleiohoku I, Kekūanāoa, Kealiʻiahonui, Charles Kanaina, Keoni Īī, Keoni Ana and Haalilio. I don't know who Kahekili was but I think he might be the "Kehekili" mentioned in History of the Hawaiian or Sandwich Islands. Kealiʻiahonui was the son of Kaumualii. Timoteo Haalilio is one of those really important Native Hawaiian politicians that lacks an article. He made the Anglo-Franco Proclamation possible and helped open up Hawaii to the rest of the Western World and save her from colonianlism and died because of it. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't remember where I got that Naihe was buried in Mauna Ala but if you notice List of burials in the Royal Mausoleum of Hawaii, that I created a while back, I place him on there. I remembered that I had read somewhere that some bones in an underground vault of the Mausoleum contained many of Kalakaua's ancestors including his uncle Naihe. (I think it mentioned a pile of bones which wouldn't make any sense because Naihe was Christian and a pile of bones sounds more like a Ancient Hawaiian burial.) As for finding every member. I don't know. I mean I think many of the modern royalty are accounted for except there are a few persons like Kekuanaoa and Kinau that I'm not sure of. There were a lot of ancestors of the Kamehamehas and Kalakauas buried under the mausoleum, iwis (that's the word, right?) of ancient Hawaiian monarchs. Also do you know where Queen Kaahumanu was buried? Some say she in the Kamehameha Crypt in Mauna Ala (originally in Pohukaina Vault) some says she in Waiola Church (originally on Mokuula); the second was where Hoapili, Kalakua, Nahienena, Keopuolani and Kaumualii was born. There were two great burial sites in the Hawaiian islands in ancient times Iao Valley on Maui and Hale o Keawe on the Big Island. The more modern one are Mauna Ala, Lunalilo Mausoleum at Kawaiahao, and the Waiola Church (since it contains many important royals). Some other one include Mokuula, now moved to Waiola Church, and Pohukaina on the Iolani Palace grounds, now moved to Mauna Ala.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:25, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Hawaii hotspot

Re:Hawaii hotspot. If you can give me a good, reliable source, I can add that to the article. :) ResMar 14:30, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I am truly sorry to bother you but I was wondering if you could re-support here? i really don't want to talk about it, read it in the headline there, but it's safe to say that my view of Snady is infinetly, infinetly damaged. ResMar 03:24, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah, from looking at it, I think that is just the "way it is". There are so many people vying for the Featured spot that they unilaterally get dismissed several times before being approved. Just enjoy a good night's sleep and try again finishing off the items. archive3 is not there, so just go back to the normal article talk page I guess. W Nowicki (talk) 04:48, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Naihe

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Materialscientist (talk) 15:21, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Aloha!

Hello, W Nowicki.

Stopped by your user page as a result of the Hawai'i okina discussion - wow, you have done some great work on Hawai'i articles! I haven't looked at all of them yet, but intend to if only real life would stop getting in the way.

I see you lived in the Kona area (and wonder what you did to get yourself exiled to the mainland, you poor thing!), so you'll probably be jealous to hear that I'm off to Holualoa in January for a month, to be followed by a month on Kaua'i and a month on Maui. Lucky, lucky me - I'm already organising my hiking and snorkelling gear in anticipation.

I also thought you might be interested to know that Hawaï, the French transliteration, is actually a much better approximation of the correct pronunciation than Hawaii, in that the diaeresis/tréma indicates that the vowels are to be pronounced separately, hence at least giving the word three syllables although no glottal stop. As for English, Captain Cook's Owyhee wasn't a bad shot either. I guess it was the missionaries who created the system requiring diacritics to work.

Aloha! Awien (talk) 00:47, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm so sorry to hear about the skin cancer, and wish you all the best with treatment. Definitely the downside of haoles living in the tropics, alas.

We have tons of good Big Island and Kaua'i pictures that you can use if you would like me to e-mail them to you for you to upload (my computer was lucky to survive my frustration when I tried myself). Just send me your wish list . . . And we can certainly take more while we're there, too.

I also don't know how to revert the Hawai'i article to the version prior to Horologium's edits since there have been a couple of others in the meantime. Do you?

Aloha! Awien (talk) 21:01, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Map of HMS Blonde voyage

I've uploaded a map of the voyage at File:Voyage_of_Blonde_1824_sm.png. The places are based on my summary of the log in Macrae (see the timeline I prepared for myself at User:Peter_coxhead/Andrew_Bloxam). I'm intending to use this map in the Andrew Bloxam article; would it also be useful in the HMS Blonde (1819) article, do you think? Btw, I asked a question about changing a section title at Talk:HMS_Blonde_(1819). Peter coxhead (talk) 16:41, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

HI pix: e-mail

Aloha!

Was going to e-mail you to follow up re pictures, but you don't seem to have "e-mail this user" enabled. Do you want to e-mail me and we can take it from there? Or enable "e-mail this user"?

Btw, nice work on the cleanup so far. Bravo! Awien (talk) 23:55, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Andrew Bloxam

As I've now completed the bulk of the work I intended to do on Andrew Bloxam, I've removed the stub categorizations you put on it.

• The obvious tension between Bloxam and Macrae (or at least their respective editors) is, I think, explained partly by Olson's superb article. There seems no doubt that Bloxam was then a very inexperienced naturalist, whereas Macrae was much more experienced (witness his appointment by the RHS); further Bloxam doesn't seem to have been very attentive to his duties at times. I've refrained from speculating as per Wikipedia policies, but I think I have managed to convey the sense of the tension between them in the article.
• Bloxam's collections of the birds of Hawaii seems to be of considerable importance in relation to the natural history of Hawaii. I've worked on creating a list of them (see User:Peter_coxhead/Andrew_Bloxam#Hawaiian_birds). I think that this is too detailed to put into a biography of Bloxam, but it might be worth working into some other Hawaii article – what do you think? Peter coxhead (talk) 13:58, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Hoolulu

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DYK for Rufus Anderson Lyman

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Hawaii hotspot #3

As a contributor to the second nom, you probably want to take a look at the current nom. There was a bit of a scuffle over it...but whatever the current one is running smoothly (thank GOD). Cheers, and happy New Year, ResMar 17:16, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Best wishes to you for a happy and healthy new year. Aloha! Awien (talk) 23:36, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Elias Bond

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DYK for Henry Perrine Baldwin

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Ucucha 06:00, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Still around?

Aloha! I still visit, but I obviously don't contribute as much. Anyway, I'm not sure if I'm qualified to answer that question definitively. Huliheʻe could mean "to turn, flee". This source claims it means "spinning octopus", another possible translation, saying that it refers to a defensive tactic used by Hawaiian warriors. However, I agree that these translations don't seem like fitting names for a palace. Perhaps it means "to search for octopus", which kind of makes sense when you consider that the palace is next to the ocean. But I'm not sure what the definite translation is. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable in Hawaiian history could help. —Kal ^(talk) 06:57, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, great idea with the hanai template! I just thought I'd let you know that the Hawaiian spelling is hānai, in case you weren't aware. (Unless, of course, you intentionally used an "English-friendly" spelling.) —Kal ^(talk) 04:25, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Well I had seen both, which is one reason why I made it a template. Previously there was a separate royalty template, and several of the bioboxes had the info, but it was not being displayed. I see Pukui/Elbert uses the Khako, so I should make it so. I would call that the "English Hawaiian" spelling. The diacritics were meant for English speakers like me. So the "Hawaiian" spellings are without diacritics. Since this is the English encyclopedia, I try to use diacritics if nothing else for me to keep them straight. Except for the word "Hawaii" but that is another story! Although many editors seem to disagree, as you have seen. I was also hoping some day to have a Hānai article, and link to it from the template, but not there yet. Mahalo. W Nowicki (talk) 05:08, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Images

I'm asking you this because you have been uploading a lot of pictures of Hawaiian royalties. We use to have less than 10 or so pictures. Now there are a whole lot. I notice you upload a picture of William Pitt Kinau. Could you see if any of these pictures on this site are appropriate for uploading. KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:29, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Nice! How about rootsweb or [www.huapala.org huapala]? Many of this Hawaiian aliis actually have picture that are really old and probably have their copyright expired. I don't know how the uploading picture process work so if it's too much time and work for you, you don't have to do this. I mainly made most of my articles around an image I found on the internet and it seems more interesting if there were a image or two to let people know how this chief or that chiefess look like. KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:38, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Makawao Union Church

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Henry Perrine Baldwin

Nice job with Henry Perrine Baldwin. If you expand the lead to at least two paragraphs that summarize the main points of the article, I think you'll have a GA on your hands. Have you nominated it yet? Viriditas (talk) 12:17, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing! I know it is incomplete, e.g. more to talk about Spreckels battle and C&H etc. but have spent so long it want to move on for a while. Interesting that Spreckels had an impact on where we are living now too. Right now trying to bring up more of the royalty articles beyond "Start" level. Also still have a backlog of Big Island NRHP pics to upload and write about. Then maybe back to Maui. Aloha. W Nowicki (talk) 00:58, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Could you give me a list of articles that are close to GA like the one above? I would like to help you improve them if possible. I could even try expanding the lead in the Baldwin article if you like. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 02:29, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I do not know what is involved in "GA". Sure, if you want to work "closer to home" and have time that would be great. A few other items for the HP Baldwin article were: he sponsored a girls seminary called Maunaʻolu and housing for patients on Molokaʻi; labor relations: spoke Hawaiian language, seemed to hate Chinese, irony of mandatory church on Sunday but slave-like conditions on plantations; some role in high schools, like old Maui, and why name the new one after him? Would be nice to have a modern picture, perhaps of mill ruins, current church, or a new ditch.

Other articles that might be at this level are missionaries Rufus Anderson Lyman and John Davis Paris I suppose. Another one not started by me but expanded is Kealakekua Bay. Maybe William Herbert Shipman but might get pressure to split that one up. W Nowicki (talk) 17:53, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

What is "involved" is very easy. It only requires listing your article at WP:GAN for a quick review by another editor based on the good article criteria. Some editors see this as a second step after getting a DYK. Other editors skip this entirely and go straight to the FA process. It's really up to you, but I'm here to help, as I think you deserve some recognition for your efforts. Viriditas (talk) 02:32, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK credits for Hoapili

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Kuini Liliha and Hoapili

Royal arks and Hawaiian genealogies: extracted from Hawaiian language newspapers By Edith Kawelohea McKinzie, Ishmael W. Stagner names her as daughter of the High Chief Kaokanu and the High Chiefess Loeau. This make sense because Liliha's daughter was named Jane Loeau, and, although I never heard of these children of Liliha, John F. Koakanu (mispelling of Kaokanu). I think Liliha was only Hoapili's hanai daughter. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:55, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I see your point on Kaheiheimalie. I moved it to Kalakua Kaheiheimālie. I don't know about her being the first Hoapili. Where did you get that? Do you know if High Chiefess Kahakuha'aoki Wahine-pio was a Governor of Maui? I think I'm going to create articles about her and Kaikioewa, the Governor of Kauai. Also one last question. Why did you remove Mokuhia from the list of Royal Governors of Hawaii. According to "All about Hawaii" he was John Young's predeccessor. Aloha!--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Batteries

As a general rule, I'd be in favor of merging those batteries into a parent article, as there isn't much to say about them, and the installations were originally conceived to support the batteries in the first place. Another approach would be to create a summary article on the Coastal defenses of Oahu, but that would require a bit more material. Acroterion _(talk) 02:04, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Dwight Baldwin

Some issues have been raised regarding this DYK nomination, that will need to be resolved before the article can be promoted. Gatoclass (talk) 09:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Dwight Baldwin (missionary)

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A question re: Annie Montague Alexander

Aloha!

Your edit summary has me confused. I am of the understanding that named ref inline citations are only to the same page, as stated in Footnotes

where it says "Named references are used when there are several cases of repetition of exactly the same reference, including the page number for books; they should not be used to cite different pages in the same book."

(emphasis mine) That is why I added a separate line for page 6 even though it is the same publication. The existing cite is for page 124 regarding L. Kellogg. Please correct me if I'm not comprehending this right. Respond here on your page so Q & A are together. :)

And thank you for responding on Annie's talk page, it is nice to see the Wikipedia guideline working.

Sincerely, Marcia Wright (talk) 01:03, 11 February 2010 (UTC) Link title

OK sorry it was my mistake to not realize there were different page numbers. But this is not a book reference, but a journal article, so you probably do not really need a specific page number. The article is not that long and is online with searching capability. But since I lost information, I will edit to use the {{rp}} template. Actually this is not the classic Notes/References case at all, where "Notes" give authors years and pages etc. (e.g. "Smith, 1997 page 50") but "References" and "External links" so I will change those headings too. Also if you have found out the Berkeley Alumni link no longer works, so should probably take that out, unless you have one that works. Generally journal articles and books do not disappear quite as fast as random web pages, although often those are useful too. Thanks for your patience. W Nowicki (talk) 01:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Cleopatra's Barge

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DYK for Henry A. Peirce

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Annie Montague Alexander

Hello,

I have a 1901 photograph of Annie, taken from Hilda Grinnell's booklet about her. I was wondering if you'd have the time to create the Commons category and upload it. If not, I'll do the honors. I was thinking of placing the photo under philanthropists/museum founders. What do you say? Cheers, Marcia Wright (talk) 17:46, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, you brought up a very good point concerning her U.S. nationality. Author Stein does not mention it at all. As for photo copyright, my journalist newspaper husband states the photographer automatically has the copyright except where the photographer works for an organization, say The New York Times, National Geographic, etc. The photographed person does not have any rights to their own photo.(!) The caption of the picture states it was taken in 1901 and there is a signature in the lower lefthand corner with that date also. I would not attempt this if I were not sure about the copyright status.

I'll go ahead and figure out which Commons category is the best choice, upload picture and add it to her article, and maybe an infobox too, if I have time, okay?

Marcia Wright (talk) 16:22, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

William S. Clark and William Richards

Hi. Just wanted to write a quick thanks for the info you added to the William S. Clark page about William Richards. That's very helpful info. And I've enjoyed reading many of your bios on Hawaii historical figures. Great work. Historical Perspective (talk) 11:36, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for HMS Carysfort (1836)

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