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June 1[edit]

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input[edit]

I added the following information to the Leonard Covello entry as it would be incomplete if the effort to establish better racial harmony by Dr. Leonard Covello is not included. During this period of racial disharmony, he also had Nat King Cole participate with his trio by performing several songs, one of which was Straighten Up and Fly Right. I was a student at Benjamin Franklin High School and graduated in June 1948. Please include the addition as it would further show that Dr. Covello reached out to all ethnic groups. If additional information is required, please let me know. thanks, Eric Quirindongo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quirineric (talkcontribs) 00:16, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Quirineric It appears that in this edit you actually added only an empty pair of <ref></ref> tags, with the content you had intended to insert in the edit summery but never added to the article. I suggest you read REferencin for Beginners to learn how to use ref tags, adn you may want to practivce edits in your sandbox a bit. DES (talk) 01:27, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Reporting edit warring[edit]

There are two editors who are constantly reverting one another. They may have violated 3RR, I'm not sure. They have been doing this across a number of articles. I'd like an admin to step in and put a stop to it but I'm unsure on where to start. I was thinking of going through WP:ANEW but it is pretty much set up for just reporting one user. Which I don't understand since a war needs two combatants but I digress. And going in to start a discussion there, I see that the form to fill out is geared towards a war over just one article.

So, is that the right place? Should I just tweak the form to include info on both editors and as many articles as I think are necessary (they've been fighting over a number of them)? Thanks, Dismas|(talk) 00:38, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Dismas, I would advise filing two reports there, one for each editor, and including a note in each mentioning the other, although the diffs will pretty much show that anyway. DES (talk) 01:06, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Done! Dismas|(talk) 04:14, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

The Logo for this organization has changed.[edit]

I have the new logo to input, along the much needed additions to the written area. I work with our Web committee but do not know how to change out this logo for the current one! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edpegme (talkcontribs) 00:43, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

@Edpegme: As someone with a conflict of interest, you and the rest of the people in the company, should avoid directly editing the article. Use the article talk page to make suggestions. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:04, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
@Edpegme: I have a few concerns about what you have asked here:
First, you didn't mention which organization you're referring to. And your only edit has been asking the question above, so I can't check your other contributions to maybe see which article you're talking about. So, what org are you referring to?
Second, it sounds like you work for the org that you are trying to edit the article of. That is a clear conflict of interest. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not an advertising or marketing platform. People who edit the articles about their place of work often have a hard time being objective and neutral about their employer. So, we don't suggest you directly edit the article. Instead, you are advised to place any corrections or suggestions on the talk page of the article in question. Please see WP:COI for more on our conflict of interest policy.
Third, you mentioned that you work with your "web committee". User accounts are not to be shared amongst a group of people. See WP:SHAREDACCOUNT.
And lastly, I along with other editors reading this board would be happy to help replace the logo of the org to a current one but again, we'd need to know where to find the new logo and what the article in question is. Dismas|(talk) 01:05, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Making uncontrovesial factual updates, such as changes in company oifficers or HQ or name or logo, is one of the things that people with a COI are allowed, even encouraged to do. (edit conflict)See Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Photographs_and_media_files and Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Non-controversial_edits.
If an editor displays the current logo, clicks "More details" and scolls doewn to the file history section, there will be a link marked "Upload a new version of this file" which will allow an updated logo to be uploaded. DES (talk) 01:11, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Point taken. Though the "much needed additions to the written area" were also mentioned. Dismas|(talk) 01:14, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
True, those might be a more serious concern. DES (talk) 01:19, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Edpegme's account is not autoconfirmed so it doesn't have the link "Upload a new version of this file". An upload request can be made at Wikipedia:Files for upload, but if Edpegme just said which organization it is and possibly where the new logo is then somebody here might upload it. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:22, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Rakesh Varre[edit]

HI I m trying to put telugu actor Rakesh Varre's page in Wikipedia and I have been told that a proof in paper or magazine should be updated. I have one where his interview was put up. Please check and tell me if it works to put his page in Wikipedia. Thanks http://jhpublicschool.com/wp-content/hillside/hill-side-news-10-102014.pdf .... its on page 13. Veena Uppalapati (talk) 05:54, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

The criteria for a stand alone article are here for the basic version and here for the full version. An interview in a school newspaper doesn't cut it. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 06:06, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
It works for a source of information but doesn't do much for notability. It looks like that is a newsletter put out by a school that he attended, right? That's not a major publication. It would be better if he were interviewed in a national magazine. Dismas|(talk) 06:07, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Print article is including extraneous stuff[edit]

"Print page" is malfunctioning - it is including the navigation menu and other non-article content - even my username! This behaviour is new, though it has been quite a long time since I last printed an article. I'm using Chrome on Windows7 - both fully updated. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:00, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

@Dodger67: I recommend WP:VPT for things of a clearly technical nature, especially involving malfunctions. But someone might happen along with your answer. ―Mandruss  08:07, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Have you tried Help:Printable#Printable version? PrimeHunter (talk) 08:43, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, heading over to VPT now, The help page didn't cover the situation, I believe it is in fact a malfunction as this has not happened before using the same browser on the same PC. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:03, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Pakistan- peaceful Nation[edit]

Hi! i just recently wrote the article about Pakistan. can u help me that what should i do after writing the article? and how should i get ratings on it?

Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shayan faiz (talkcontribs) 09:57, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to reply at your talkpage, basically all the content is already in Pakistan and/or Muhammad Ali Jinnah. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:11, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Rosemary Bailey Rosemary A. Bailey - disambiguation page - remove redirect[edit]

Hello, I have been working on the writer Rosemary Bailey's page Rosemary Bailey (author) which has now been accepted, but I have noticed that there is another wikipedia page for Rosemary A. Bailey, Rosemary A. Bailey who is a statistician, and that if you search for Rosemary Bailey within wikipedia it automatically redirects to Rosemary A. Bailey's page. I think there should be a disambiguation page with the two Rosemary Baileys so that this does not happen, or some other solution? Also there should not be a redirect from Rosemary Bailey to Rosemary A. Bailey but I do not know how to remove the redirect, nor do I know how to make a disambiguation page. I have looked it up but am at a loss how to do it. I would really appreciate it if someone could help sort this problem out. Many thanks!Berlin55678 (talk) 09:58, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Fixed Rosemary Bailey is now a disambiguation page. I replaced the redirect from Rosemary Bailey to Rosemary A. Bailey with a disambiguation page. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:09, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
With only two subjects with a same name, wouldn't hatnotes have worked just as well?--ukexpat (talk) 13:57, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
@Ukexpat: In my opinion no, since it wouldn't have solved the issue of what Rosemary Bailey links to, which was what one of the complaints was. There's no evidence that either of them is definitely the primary topic, so I figured this was easier/better. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:01, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Fair enough.--ukexpat (talk) 17:10, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

you have an error on one of your subject pages[edit]

The page when you research Libby, Montana is wrong. It shows the location of Libby in mid west Washington, which obviously wrong. Libby is located in NW Montana 1.5 hours from the Canadian Border and 45 mins from the Idaho Border. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.135.89.117 (talk) 11:04, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Are you sure? The map at Libby, Montana looks correct to me. It's at File:Lincoln County Montana Incorporated and Unincorporated areas Libby Highlighted.svg for anyone else to look at, but it looks to be entirely correct based on your description and my checking with Google Maps. Are you seeing the information in another article? --Jayron32 11:09, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Concur with Jayron32. The big white area in the map represents Lincoln County, MT, in case you're mistaking that for Washington state. ―Mandruss  11:14, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia entry for Dorothy Liggett Pelanda[edit]

I am Todd Thatcher and work as Senior Legislative Aide for State Representative Dorothy Pelanda. The Wiki entry lists her as "Dorothy Liggett Pelanda" and she does not go by that name - just Dorothy Pelanda. I have made the edit in the body of her Wiki entry, but it does not allow me to change the main title of the page from Dorothy Liggett Pelanda to Dorothy Pelanda. At her request, we would ask that the change may be made. Thank you.

Todd Thatcher Senior Legislative Aide to Representative Pelanda (614) 466-8147 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toddmthatcher (talkcontribs) 15:01, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Fixed New users cannot move pages, which is what you needed to do- your account needs to be 4 days old, and have 10 edits, in order to do it. The article is now at Dorothy Pelanda. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:08, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Can I find edits with the same or similar editsummaries that were done by a different IP/username?[edit]

I was looking at this page. This person uses an editsummary that contains the words: "remove unsourced list of samples per". Can I find (all) edits that have the same (or similar) editsummaries, even if they were made by a different IP/username? If so, how? Modified combined obstacle overlay (talk) 16:22, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

User Edit Summary Search --Moxy (talk) 16:27, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
@Moxy: Thank you, I tried that, but it seems that it only works for one ip/user. And it seems to be intended for cases where you already know the ip/username. I am hoping to find the other ip's/usernames that were used by this person. Maybe I am doing something wrong? Modified combined obstacle overlay (talk) 16:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Incorrect information regarding Planting Fields Arburieum in Oyster Bay New York[edit]

As a former student of the State University of New York, I can say specifically the information presented by Wikipedia regarding the use of the facility is not correct or at least not thorough.

The Coe estate continued to be used under the direction of the State University of New York for the establishment of another the College, College at Old Westbury under the University system.The Planing Fields Campus as it was known use the facility from 1968 thru 1972 at which time they transitioned to the Clark Estate in Old Westbury on Old Country Road.

SUNY College at Old Westbury has become a significant part of the New York State University System which now promotes and trains thousands that have and continue to make a difference within American society today.

It would worth noting correctly the existence, use and contributions of SUNY College at Old Westbury to the life of such a wonderful and cherished facility as the Coe estate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.243.254.13 (talk) 17:13, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Feel free to correct the erroneous information. Just make sure you cite a reliable source. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:17, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
(This is about Planting Fields Arboretum State Historic Park.) Maproom (talk) 17:29, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

My Wikipedia page says "this page has issues"[edit]

It describes my page as an orphan but I am on other pages like the 500 questions wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corbblah (talkcontribs) 17:45, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Do you mean our article Jonathan Corbblah, which is about you but not owned by you? I recommend reading our guidelines on editing with a conflict of interest. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:50, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I don't see an orphan tag on the article or any other tags. I do see, as did User:Ian.thomson, that you edited the article that is about yourself, which is strongly discouraged. Read the conflict of interest guidelines and the guideline against autobiographies (which applies to editing one's own biography as well as to writing an autobiography). Robert McClenon (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Notify me in some way if someone changes my user page[edit]

Out of interest, I'd like to know if someone else changes my userpage - but there isn't an easy way to know about this that I know of. How can I get some notification if someone tries to edit my user page? Cheers c: ~NottNott ( -) 18:03, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

@NottNott: I just made a test edit to your user page, then reverted it. Did you not get a notification? ―Mandruss  18:05, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
(Edit Conflict) It should be on your watchlist. If not, add it. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:06, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I know its not what you asked, but trying to read into your question, we can do an indef semi-protection on your user page if you would like one. To answer your original question, there isn't a good way to get special notifications on changes to any particular page, there is just the all or nothing option to get emails when anything on your watchlist is edited. Monty845 18:08, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Oh no, I'm not actively being vandalised - it's just a detailed customisation I wanted. It's on my watchlist. I was wondering if there was some script I could use, but it appears this isn't the case. Thanks for the help :) ~NottNott ( -) 18:11, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Although come to think of it, there aren't any drawbacks to indef semi-protection on my page. I'd be thankful if I could have this, thanks. ~NottNott ( -) 18:13, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Protected as requested. It may be possible to code something in javascript to highlight particular pages on your watchlist, but AFAIK there isn't one out there that has already been made. Monty845 18:19, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
@NottNott: Actually, I stand corrected, check out Wikipedia:Customizing_watchlists#Highlight specific pages. Monty845 18:21, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
@Monty845: Thanks, there's tracking vandalism as a cure and protecting the page as a prevention. This is more than what I asked for, so thanks a lot! c: ~NottNott ( -) 18:36, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Article Feedback Tool[edit]

Is the Article Feedback Tool still being used somewhere (maybe on another project or language)? Modified combined obstacle overlay (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Modified combined obstacle overlay, the tool was removed everywhere. See this --NeilN talk to me 20:53, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

The new CC-By-SA 4.0 and material from PLoS journals copied into Wikipedia[edit]

I haven't seen an issue with this, but for my own reference I am asking here. The PLoS journals have adopted the new version 4.0 of the Creative Commons licenses. The documentation for the template {{CC-notice}} says in capital letters: CC-By-SA 4.0 IS NOT A COMPATIBLE LICENSE as well as in red warning letters at the bottom of the page. (This doesn't seem to be documented much elsewhere.) However this was a very recent change at PLoS. Does that mean older material can be copied in, since it was put there before the license change and the license is supposedly irrevocable? I am assuming that any material copied in here before the change, with the proper attribution, can stay. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:40, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I agree that this statement cc-by-sa 4.0 is not a compatible license confuses the issue and should be made clearer. “According to the WMF legal team, CC BY-SA 4.0 is not backwards compatible with CC BY-SA 3.0. Therefore, mixing text licences under 3.0 and 4.0 would be problematic, however files uploaded under this licence are fine.” See:Wikipedia:COMPLIC#cite_note-2. So adding old text is OK and so is adding text under the new licence. So I 'think' it means don't consider CC BY-SA 4.0 & CC BY-SA 3.0 to be interchangeable. I would value some legal eagle's input on this this, to clarify maters (both here and on the Template:CC-notice page).--Aspro (talk) 21:49, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Our sister project has a bit about this on its discussion (talk) page. Wikimedia Commons: Template:Cc-by-sa-4.0--Aspro (talk) 22:09, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
It seems that we cannot add material licensed using 4.0. Trying to use {{CC-notice}} for material with a 4.0 license generates:  Text available under the CC BY-SA 4.0 license is not compatible with Wikipedia and cannot be freely copied into articles.
The English Wikipedia is staying with 3.0 for now. I found more information in the WikiMania 2014 talk by LuisVilla here and also in his response during a discussion of the change to 4.0 here. StarryGrandma (talk) 22:48, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

On this day...[edit]

Is there a way of suggesting the inclusion of an item on the On this day... section of the WP Main Page? The 75th anniversary of the sinking of RMS Lancastria is on 17 June and I would like to make sure that it is not overlooked, since the event is little known, even in the UK. Alansplodge (talk) 20:10, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Selected_anniversaries#How to make suggestions for listingsMandruss  20:14, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Fantastic, thank you. Alansplodge (talk) 21:13, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

bad link that leads to a retail site[edit]

When researching USB devices I found three external links that lead to a retail website that did not sell books but clothing and accesories. see below http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB Further reading[edit] Axelson, Jan (1 September 2006). USB Mass Storage: Designing and Programming Devices and Embedded Hosts (1st ed.). Lakeview Research. ISBN 978-1-931-44804-8. 287 pp. ——— (1 December 2007). Serial Port Complete: COM Ports, USB Virtual COM Ports, and Ports for Embedded Systems (2nd ed.). Lakeview Research. ISBN 978-1-931-44806-2. 380 pp. ——— (2009). USB Complete: The Developer's Guide (4th ed.). Lakeview Research. ISBN 978-1-931-44808-6. 506 pp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.60.118.58 (talk) 21:21, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Done - external links removed (ISBNs are available for interested readers). Thanks for pointing this out. GermanJoe (talk) 21:31, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Smith & Wesson No. 3 pistol corrections[edit]

Hi I have a correction for the Wikipedia posting of the Smith & Wesson No.3 pistol. In this post it mentions "...S&W nearly went bankrupt as a result of their Russian Contract production." In reality according to the book "Guns for the Tsar" Joesph Bradley Pages 115-116: " According to Jinks, the Russian contract "meant the world" to Smith and Wesson. it improved American sales, got Smith and Wesson out of the financial difficulties of the late 1860s, and established the company as a major producer in Europe and around the world."

Jinks is Roy jinks the Smith & Wesson historian for more information you need to contact him at S&W.

I hope this is of some use. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.239.79.110 (talk) 21:34, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello. The place to discuss this is on the talk page of the article; or (since you have a source) you could edit the article yourself (though citing sources properly is a little intricate). --ColinFine (talk) 22:57, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Updating the tz database to fix articles[edit]

Articles such as CST6CDT are poorly broken because it can't refer to the tz database at List_of_tz_database_time_zones. I have no idea about how to correct the database (or whether I should) to ensure articles such as CST6CDT are not broken. Could someone refer me to further advice? ~NottNott ( -) 23:16, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I'm going to refer to WP:TECHPUMP. This was probably the wrong place to post this - but I hope someone over there will be able to help out. ~NottNott ( -) 23:22, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

June 2[edit]

Toolserver tools[edit]

So, with the demise of the WikiMedia toolserver, did the tools on it migrate somewhere en masse, or did some migrate to various different places while most of them died?  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  00:13, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: I'm sure someone can provide a more in-depth answer than me, but the "replacement" was the Wikimedia Labs (or, more precisely, the Tool Labs). Anyone can create an account here to develop and create their tools. I'm not sure how many tools were migrated there and how many were lost...but this page does provide some insight into tools that broke after the shutdown, some of which you can see were moved to the Tool Labs or elsewhere. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:24, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, that's precisely what I was looking for. Oreo.jpg  :-)  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  01:43, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Sock after 5 yrs[edit]

Could you still be blocked if, for example, you were blocked indefinitely, created a new account, became a famous Wikipedian, and 5 years after the sock block, with no bad edits or vandalism on the famous account, and then revealed 5 years after the sock block that you are that blocked person?--69.223.186.189 (talk) 01:33, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Dwpaul Talk 01:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes you could be - though whether you were or not would very much depend on the circumstances which led to the block. But please note this help desk is intended to provide help with using and contributing towards Wikipedia - it is not a forum for discussing hypothetical questions. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:38, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict)There is no hard and fast rule for something like this. It would depend on what the person had done to get blocked in the first place, the quality and quantity of their contributions, and whether they held any advanced permissions that they would have had to betray the trust of the community to obtain without revealing the past socks. If they never ran for Admin or Arbcom, and hadn't done anything particularly bad to get blocked, and had been an uncontroversial and good editor, we probably would not block them. Very few people who try something like that are able to resist returning to the same bad habits that got them blocked to begin with. Monty845 01:39, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
It also would depend on what you were blocked for. If you created one account, did some 2-3 edits of silly vandalism, got blocked under that account, then created a new account and did nothing wrong for five years, we can unequivocally say no one would care. If, however, you are a well-known troll who created heaps of trouble for years, perhaps even simultaneously while maintaining clean and bad accounts, you would be blocked as soon as anyone figured it out. The difference is in the details, and unless you can (or are even willing) to say who you are and cop to everything you've done, we have no way to comment intelligently on this question. It really depends on when, and what you were blocked for, and what you as a person (as opposed to what any one particular account you have created) has done since being blocked. --Jayron32 04:29, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Re: Omission of my name.[edit]

I would like to inform you that you mistakenly omitted my name in your website for the 2016 DECLARED DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES for the United States Senate representing the Golden State of California in 2016 Election. My name is Dr. Akinyemi Agbede, and I have already declared my candidacy for the 2016 Democratic candidate running for the United States Senate representing the Golden State of California. My website is www.americamustregainitsgreatness2016.com. Please, rectify this omission immediately. Thanking you for your usual co-operation.

Sincerely,

Dr. Akinyemi Agbede.

(DECLARED DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR THE 2016 UNITED STATES SENATE REPRESENTING THE GOLDEN STATE OF CALIFORNIA). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:E:2C00:58E:5C8E:F58E:4224:7876 (talk) 04:21, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.
This would seem to be about the Wikipedia article United States Senate election in California, 2016. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:19, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
I've added Akinyemi Agbede's name, but provided a neutral reference, not the self-publicity website. Candidates would be best advised not to add their own names and websites because of conflict of interest issues. Dbfirs 20:34, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Auto arrange[edit]

How to automatically arrange the items of a bulleted list? For example, this one is a mess. --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 04:44, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Other than Soraya Syed who had been added at the bottom (but is now in order), the list is in alphabetical order of family names.
Not all family names come at the end, and (unlike most such lists) this is very clearly explained on the edit page:-
* [[Reza Abbasi]]
* [[Aizu Yaichi]] <!-- family name Aizu-->
* [[Arthur Baker (calligrapher)|Arthur Baker]]
* [[Pat Blair]]
* [[Timothy Botts]]
* [[Cai Yong]] <!-- family name Cai -->
Although this may look wrong to some, just using second name order, would list many of the entries under their personal or given names, not their family names. - Arjayay (talk) 08:35, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
OK, Thanks. --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 08:55, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
WP:SORT may be what you're looking for. Dismas|(talk) 09:05, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

AfD stats[edit]

Hi, My vote! on an AfD is missing from its stats page. Don't know why this is happening.--Skr15081997 (talk) 06:28, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Try asking at WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
@Skr15081997: It looks like your vote is now included. I'm not sure how the tool specifically works, but I figure it just took a while to update. Perhaps it updates periodically, accessed a cached version of the page, etc. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 22:20, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Category:Articles with images not understandable by color blind users[edit]

The article on this category says "Please consider tagging individual images by placing the Cleanup image accessibility tag on their image-description pages." It is not clear how this is supposed to work. Where do you put the Cleanup image accessibility tag in Wikimedia Commons? Wherever I put it, it appears as a dead link on the page, and the image doesn't seem to be added to any actual category or anything. Could the instructions in the category article be made more clear, please? Thanks --Frans Fowler (talk) 06:44, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

@Frans Fowler: Tags defined at the English Wikipedia don't work when used at Wikimedia Commons. The corresponding tag for commons images seems to be commons:Template:Colour blind. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:53, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Company Page[edit]

Hi,

I would like to create my company page. please suggest from where i should start.

Thanks Prakrati — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.118.252.180 (talk) 07:02, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello Prakrati. If you want to create a page for your company, read Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. If you want to create a page about something else, read Wikipedia:Your first article. —teb728 t c 07:33, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
And note that it would not be your company page it would be a Wikipedia encyclopedia article about a company.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:43, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Source[edit]

Hi, can interviews of people given to reliable sources be considered a "reliable source" to cite an information in the article? RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 08:51, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

If the reliable source has published the interview, then you can cite that. If it hasn't been published, it isn't a reliable source. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:46, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
If he subject self-published it, say on the subject's personal website, then it can be used under the same limitations as other self-published sources. In any case, interviews are generally primary sources with the li,itatiosn on use implied by that status. DES (talk) 11:49, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Situational Sources[edit]

A video games project I'm part of was recently flagged as unreliable according to the "Identifying reliable sources" page. This was an understandable decision but it called into question what to do with information that has no "reliable source" and likely never will. For example, an old and defunct video game company will never release their "end credits" through any official channel, so according to wikipedia, no reliable source can ever be found and that information should be unavailable. We all know that you can find those end credits recorded somewhere on youtube, but because it's not through any official channel, it cannot be deemed "reliable". In cases like this, I would suggest accepting the best source as "situational" where no other reliable source is available.

I'm sure this has been discussed before and there is likely a copy-paste answer out there I have yet to find. What is the philosophy behind the stringently reliable sources and does it really justify removing valued information from wikipedia pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.194.196.98 (talk) 08:52, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

I would say that the work itself is the source. For example, we normally don't require references about whether or not John Doe appeared in movie X because they are listed in the credits of movie X. The movie itself is the reference. I'm not sure where that's written though. Dismas|(talk) 09:01, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
But I take it this is an unrealsed game, so like an unrealsed movie, its credits are not available to be viewed and hence verified.. As for the strictness of the source policy, note that widely acepted facts need not be cited, and thst other uncited statements need not be removed unless somone challanges them. That said, the reason for the rule is that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of "valued information" but an encyclopedia whech we hope peopel can rely on. The way people are able to trust it is via the verifibility policy, and the consewuent requirement for reliable sources. DES (talk) 11:55, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Creating a disambiguation page[edit]

To whom should I address a request for the creation of a disambiguation page?

Vltava (talk) 09:09, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

@Vltava: I've added a heading to your question so that it is separated from the question above it. The best way to do this yourself is to click on the 'add a question' link at the top of the page instead of just editing the last section of this page, as you might have done.
As to your question, is there some reason why you're not comfortable doing it yourself? You could do that since you can create articles here. A disambig page is no different really. Dismas|(talk) 09:16, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
I wonder if the topic involved is the one discussed here. The purpose of a disambiguation page is to disambiguate between Wikipedia articles. While we only have one article titled Runciman Report, there is nothing to disambiguate. However the existing article might contain a short note mentioning the other report of the same name. Maproom (talk) 09:26, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
If that's the case, someone has already answered the question. Although, I'd probably disambiguate them by year instead of a short description. So, it would be "Runciman Report (1938)" and "Runciman Report (2000)" for example. Dismas|(talk) 09:55, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
There are already two articles Runciman Report and Runciman Report (on Czechoslovakia). When there are only two we often use a hatnote instead of a disambiguation page. I have added a hatnote to the former.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 11:38, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Problems with urls[edit]

How do I get this url (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1937/1937 - 0999.html) - 0999.html to display and link correctly when used with {{cite journal}}. Mjroots (talk) 09:30, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Have you tried encoding the spaces as %20 ? That is what Template:Cite journal#URL calls for. should hopefully link correctly. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:42, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
@David Biddulph: Thank you, I knew there would be a code, but didn't know what it was. 10:48, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

A problem with creating a new article[edit]

I want to write an article in Albanian language but it does exist in English but doesn't have all the information that I want to put in ... If that means that I should edit this how can I make it in Albanian when the article is in English or do I have the right to write it again in Albanian without copying it ??? Please help me asap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlerinaSurdulli (talkcontribs) 09:54, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

There's no reason why the Albanian and English articles have to contain the exact same information. You can write the Albanian article according to the Albanian Wikipedia's rules (the rules for one language's version are not necessarily the same as another's). As for whether you can copy the information in the English version, you can do that as well. Dismas|(talk) 09:59, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
You can create or expand articles on any Wikipedia you want. Everyone can, while respecting rules (for example routines of accepting a draft before publishing in the main article space). And Wikipedia contents is released under the license that allows further use, so YES, you can use information from one article to expand another one, also in another language.
Note, however, that Wikipedia itself is usually considered as a non-reliable source for writing Wikipedia (see Identifying reliable sources for English or Wikipedia:Identifikimi i burimeve të besueshme for Albanian Wikipedia). So, if information you want to add is disputable or not widely known, you should find appropriate sources (preferably in the language of the Wikipedia you want to add to, Albanian or English, respectively) and cite them in the article. --CiaPan (talk) 11:00, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Editing a list[edit]

Category:Cannabis research

Hello I am a research intern for the Colorado State Marijuana Program. I would love to add some very reputable names to the cannabis research list as well as their articles, however I am unable to edit this list. It is actually missing some of the more important names in cannabis research. Any help you can give with regards to this would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.127.8.254 (talk) 15:58, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

That page is a category, not a list. You don't add to that page by editing it, you add to it by editing other articles. So, for example if someone named John Smith was a cannabis researcher you would go to the bottom of the article on John Smith and put [[Category:Cannabis research]] and he would be added to that category. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 16:09, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
But you need to be especially careful about making such claims about living people that the claim is verifiable as having been published in a reliable source with a reputation for fact checking and editorial oversight. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:20, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Is rolling stone magazine still considered a reputable, reliable source?[edit]

Mary Jo White article has statement with citation from Rolling Stone, and it seems like a blp issue. Thanks, R Peterson2601:7:6A80:7E5:A97D:FF7:5FC2:FFED (talk) 19:03, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

The statement is attributed to Rolling Stone and the article was written by Matt Taibbi, a notable journalist, so I don't think reliability is an issue. --NeilN talk to me 20:38, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
And the attribution bends over backward to be neutral, saying, "It has been asserted in Rolling Stone magazine that...", rather than "It has been reported in Rolling Stone magazine that...", which would probably also pass WP:BLP. ―Mandruss  20:45, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

See Also/Unordered List HTML Element Styling issue[edit]

Copied from an email that I sent to Wikimedia. I was then redirected here.

I was on the West Indies page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Indies) of Wikipedia and tried to click on the "Spanish Colonization of the Americas" link in the "See More" section of the page. The link was at the bottom of the first column. When clicking, the link jumped to the second column and did not navigate. After clicking on the link once it had jumped, I was able to successfully navigate to the desired page. I was then able to replicate this action on the Spanish Colonization page previously mentioned by clicking on the last link in the first column.

Both computers I saw this on were Win 8.1 Enterprise. I am using Chrome 43.0.2357.81 and am able to replicate with viewports between 764px and 1400px (did not try beyond those points). I am also able to replicate this in Opera on a full screen desktop (exact measurement unavailable) with Opera running Chrome 42.0. (Opera was somebody else's computer, so that's all I got on that one.)

Disabling the -webkit-column-break-inside:avoid style in the .nocolbreak, div.columns li, div.columns dd dd style rule then clicking on the link results in the expected behavior, but has side effects on other portion of the page. WhistlingZebra (talk) 19:25, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

You mean the "See also" section. It also happens for me with Google Chrome 43.0.2357.81 m on Windows Vista, both when I'm logged in and out. The columns are made with {{Columns-list}} and have the same behaviour here:
I see the first three links in the first column and the last two in the second. If I hover over the link "Spanish colonization of the Americas" then Chrome correctly displays the url https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_colonization_of_the_Americas at the bottom of the window. But if I click on "Spanish colonization of the Americas" then the bullet and link move to the second column without Chrome changing the browser address bar or going to the article. If I then click on the link in the second column then Chrome goes to the article. If I click anywhere on the page which is not a link then "Spanish colonization of the Americas" jumps back to the first column and everything behaves as from the beginning, i.e. clicking it will move it to the second column again without going to the article. This seems more like an issue for Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) but I will first try a post to Template talk:Columns-list#Chrome moves link between columns. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:04, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
This is a known Chrome bug. See outline style affects the positioning of multi-column layouts after the first column. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 22:00, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Interwiki links[edit]

If you look at Lordship of Anholt, you will see three interwiki links. If you follow the one to "Deutsch", and then the one back to "English", you arrive at a different article, Anholt, Germany, with a different set of four interwiki links. I had thought that interwiki links were now done through a database which would presumably have some consistent (though possibly wrong) opinion about which articles have the same subject. But it seems not. Is this sort of thing frequent? Is it worth mentioning somewhere? Can it be fixed by ordinary users? Maproom (talk) 20:05, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Interlanguage links are usually made at Wikidata where they are only written in one place and then displayed consistently on all wikis. Click "Wikidata item" on Lordship of Anholt to see wikidata:Q3773870. But a page can make its own interlanguage links in its own code. In this case the source of Lordship of Anholt says [[de:Anholt#Geschichte]] in order to link the section de:Anholt#Geschichte. The section is part of the article de:Anholt and that article as a whole is via Wikidata linked with the English article Anholt, Germany. Wikidata cannot link an article in one wiki to a section in another wiki. The German Wikipedia apparently has no article which is a complete match to Lordship of Anholt so there is no perfect solution. If you want consistency above navigation then you can remove [[de:Anholt#Geschichte]] so Lordship of Anholt no longer has a link to German. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:27, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
A major shortcoming of Wikidata is that it can only cope with a one-to-one mapping between languages. If, as PrimeHunter has explained for this case, and as happens frequently, there is not a simple one-to-one match between the nearest equivalents in the various languages, Wikidata can't cope, and there is no agreed way round the problem. In my view this is such a severe limitation that we shouldn't have thrown away the existing inter-language links in favour of Wikidata. David Biddulph (talk) 20:35, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you both for your answers. I have learned that this is a mess which I will do well to keep away from. Maproom (talk) 21:04, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


June 3[edit]

Hi[edit]

Why do people spam with nonsense for lolz? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.115.237.100 (talk) 00:58, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

You could start reading at Wikipedia:The motivation of a vandal and the other pages linked from its "See also" section. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:26, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Can you have more than one Sandbox page?[edit]

As the question says – Are registered accounts allowed to have more than one Sandbox page? Or is such a practice frowned upon, and it's better to create a "Draft" page in user account space instead? Thanks in advance. --IJBall (talk) 01:15, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

You can have as many pages in your userspace as you can find a legitimate use for. Whether they're named User:IJBall/sandbox or User:IJBall/Sandbox 47 or User:IJBall/Joe Schmoe (musician) doesn't especially matter. —Cryptic 01:20, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Having Much Difficulty With Getting My Article Approved--Help![edit]

My Article was just denied for a third time on the grounds of notability. It has a good amount of references, and there is citing of interviews, blogs, websites. I would appreciate some guidance as to what I can include to change this around.

Thank you!

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Rotland_Press&oldid=665264301 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hannaguido (talkcontribs) 02:13, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

@Hannaguido: It looks like you might not have read this and this. Links to random websites and blogs are not going to help. You need to find reliably published sources with reputations for fact checking and accuracy that have covered the subject in depth. Places like newspapers and books. news.google.com and books.google.com are pretty good at filtering out many inappropriate sources. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:03, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Using Book Creator to Link Pages of Different Languages[edit]

Hi, I'm trying to create a book that has articles on the same topic, but in different languages. Is this possible? If so, may someone please show me how? If not, may someone please show me how to request this feature? In case it makes a difference, the articles for which I'm trying to create a book are:

1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changbin,_Taitung 2) http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%95%B7%E6%BF%B1%E9%84%89 and 3) http://hak.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsh%C3%B2ng-p%C3%AEn-hi%C3%B4ng

Thank you for your help.

210.240.144.4 (talk) 02:16, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

According to Help:Books/for experts#Multi-wiki Books this isn't possible, but the other tool listed there may be of use. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:23, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

present status of my article.[edit]

cn u plz check this article Draft:Air Charter Services Pvt. Ltd. it was tagged as, to be reviewed. the tag has been removed but this article is still in draft. I want to know whether it has been reviewed or not? and also if it has not been reviewed yet then why the review tag has been removed and if reviewed then why it is still showing as draft — Preceding unsigned comment added by Captgs (talkcontribs) 06:37, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

The draft is at Draft:Air Charter Services Pvt. Ltd.. Another editor has now restored the "Review Waiting" tag. As it has no inline references, it will certainly be rejected when it is reviewed. Maproom (talk) 07:35, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, Captgs. The review tag was removed by a not-logged-in user 182.71.109.146 in this edit, probably by mistake. (Was that you, forgetting to log in, perhaps?) I have restored it.
I must tell you, though, that the article has no chance of being accepted at present, because it has no in-line citations at all. It is not enough to include a list of links in a section labelled "references": every single piece of information in the article should be individually cited, in-line, to a reliable source. Further, the citations should not be bare urls, but should be properly formatted to show things like title, date, and source clearly: without these, it is hard to evaluate a source. Please see referencing for beginners.
Other matters which will need attention are links. Links to other Wikipedia articles are encouraged, but they should be formatted as Wikilinks (as you have done for New Delhi), and usually within the body of the article, or else in a "See also" section. Wikipedia may never be used as a reference, because it is not a reliable source. On the other hand, a link to the company's own website should not occur in the text, but either in an "External links" section, or (preferably) in a suitable infobox - see for example {{infobox company}}. You can improve the article while it is waiting for review. --ColinFine (talk) 07:42, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Edit twice reverted and I am unable to discern valid reason, and no responses to my invitation on two Talk pages[edit]

Alan Dershowitz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I submitted an edit to the Alan Dershowitz article.

I referenced a published book, a personal memoir by a Palestinian journalist and poet, and gave the complete inline citation.

I summarized this author's description of his encounter with Alan Dershowitz. I provided quotations from the book, limited in number, and nothing extended.

This entire entry was removed, without explanation, and I reverted it, providing reasons.

It was removed again, by a different person, but the only reason offered was that I should "gain consensus on the Talk page", without any stated objections to address or rebut. I cannot come to a consensus by myself.

I then found on my Talk page comments by an administrator advising me that my entry apparently violated Wikipedia non-free content usage rules, and was therefore a potential copyright infringement issue. That is a completely different matter.

I have now reviewed the 10 rules of non-free content usage and cannot discern how my entry violated any of those rules. I have explained all this in the Talk page for the Dershowitz article, and on the Talk page of the administrator who had written to me, and no responses in either location.

Nothing has been submitted to provide critique, rebuttal of the defense I offered for the edit, further explanation, suggested modifications to make my edit comply with one or another rule it may have violated, etc.

It appears that I am at an impasse, with my edit removed, without specific explanation, and with only vague assertion that there is a copyright issue, while I have reviewed what I understand to be relevant guideline and have been unable to detect the compliance issue so that I could correct it.

I am just getting started on editing, and this is an immediate frustration that has a Catch-22 flavor. Please help me with this. Thanks. Improvethewiki (talk) 07:02, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

The copyright issue seems to be a mistake - but I can understand why your material was removed. You are citing Fouzi El-Asmar, but providing no other sources to indicate that his dispute with Dershowitz has been considered significant. If there is a controversy worth inclusion in the article, it must necessarily have been discussed by uninvolved secondary sources. A dispute involving one person is not a 'controversy'. AndyTheGrump (talk) 07:35, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
First, your frustration is not uncommon, in fact, it's more the rule than the exception at Wikipedia, especially when you haven't yet learned all the rules of the game and what recourses are available to you. That said, I see two responses already in your talk thread, and it's still relatively young. So I don't understand your statement that there has been no response. The article has 195 watchers, as Dershowitz is well-known and sometimes controversial. If only half of them are active, and only ten percent of those are interested in your discussion, you should get a healthy amount of participation within a few days. If both sides have made their respective cases, and you're still not convinced, you can consider pursuing the courses of action described in Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Of course you can return here for more help; however, content disputes are not debated or resolved here (some will disagree on that point, as seen in the previous reply). ―Mandruss  07:44, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

some weird code[edit]

some nonsense words are comming after clicking save button. suddenly they stopped comming and again started comming. what is this? 49.205.190.77 (talk) 09:05, 3 June 2015 (UTC) now they again stopped comming. why is this happening? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.205.190.77 (talk) 09:39, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello. Your question is not very clear, but I'm guessing that you are referring to a CAPTCHA, which is a method of making sure that it is a person communicating rather than an automated tool. Wikipedia sometimes uses this if an unregistered user adds external links to an article. (See Special:Captcha for more information). If this is the case, you simply need to enter the text that is shown. I believe that if you create an account (which is free, and has other advantages) then once you have used it a few times you will not be shown another Captcha. --ColinFine (talk) 11:45, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Please check my article once again[edit]

I have two questions for you, Requesting your answer on following questions.

1. I have been told to add citations and reference to my article as it may be rejected. I added the citations and reference, Please re-examine that on link to my draft article: Draft:Air Charter Services Pvt. Ltd.

2. I am trying to put the sequence to my article as: Citations > External Links > Reference > Tags. I saved the sequence as you can see the same in 'EDIT' but after saving it, the article shows the sequence as: Citations > External Links > Reference > Tags and Remaining part of > Citations. I tried a lot to correct the sequence but some part of citation on the top skips and flashes on the very bottom right after 'Tags'. Can you please correct it for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Captgs (talkcontribs) 12:33, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

The referencing is still a mess. Please take a look at WP:REFB for assistance.--ukexpat (talk) 12:56, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Captgs, the citations go in the text itself, immediately after the statement that they are supporting. --ColinFine (talk) 15:38, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Except for List-defined references Help:List-defined references in which case they (mostly) go at the end.--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:54, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Nexus 5 wikipedia app[edit]

I think the wikipedia app is not working properly: the capitalism, history, business and economics portals are not updating at all. I checked someone's Iphone, it seems to be working ok there.Lbertolotti (talk) 12:40, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

@Lbertolotti: Hi, the Help Desk is for questions about how to use and edit Wikipedia. To discuss suspected problems with the Wikipedia site or software, please use Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). ―Mandruss  12:44, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2015 June 3[edit]

I added an entry (Antal Kerpely Dormitory) to this page: it doesn't show up, nor do subsequent entries. The code looks ok to me: how have I fouled up??TheLongTone (talk) 14:40, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Looks like it's fixed now? DonIago (talk) 14:50, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) It looks as if you hadn't read Wikipedia:AFDHOWTO. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:53, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
@TheLongTone: Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Post not showing up immediately is about an issue today where users sometimes have to bypass their cache to see the edit they just saved. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:41, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Picture not showing up[edit]

[2] Why did the picture disappear? I thought I typed the right code, obeying the instructions "just the filename, without the File: or Image: prefix or enclosing brackets" from Template:Infobox person. 192.12.149.16 (talk) 18:50, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

This one had me stumped for a while, but I fixed it with this edit. There was an extra stray "image =" parameter at the bottom :) ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 19:15, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

odd appearance of stray markup[edit]

Please look at Linda Upmeyer & Linda Miller (politician) & Kim Pearson. In the ==Electoral history== sections the following stray mark-up appears in the viewable article: </tr"></tr">. But this mark-up is not visible on the edit page. Does this stuff appear because of a problem with the {{Compact election box no change begin}} template? If so, does the template need fixing? Or what? Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 19:22, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

I seem to have fixed it with this edit to the template. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:32, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Adding WikiProjects to an article[edit]

Hello, in doing new page patrolling, I often come across pages which should be added to various WikiProjects. The AfC helper script has a nice HotCat-like interface for doing this when reviewing drafts. I was wondering if such a thing existed separately. Thanks! Happy Squirrel (talk) 19:25, 3 June 2015 (UTC)