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== GA mentor ==

Just responding to [[Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations#Talk:Ely, Cambridgeshire/GA1|this comment]]. I am willing to help out if you are still interested. There is also a [[WP:GAN/M|mentor page]] where you can request someone to be your mentor. If you have a FA you should have no problem with GA's. You don't have to choose a topic within your comfort zone, as long as you have a reasonable grasp of English and are willing to check reference, images etc any topic should be doable. [[User:Aircorn|AIR<font color="green">'''''corn'''''</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Aircorn|(talk)]] 02:08, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

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John Speed

I'm sorry, I don't have anything by John Speed, it would be well beyond my means. Nor do I have access to any such maps. Maproom (talk) 23:03, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough --Senra (Talk) 23:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Would this be the map you are looking for?. As it was made c. 1676 it is reasonable to assume the artist has been dead for more than 100 years.— Rod talk 17:18, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed it is the one I was looking for. I would not pay £110 for it—original though it may be—when a copy is available (unframed) from Cambridge University Library (Ely plan is top right-hand corner of Huntingdonshire map) for only £30 or even better, the free out-of-copyright scan of a non-derivative version from a modern book --Senra (Talk) 18:22, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 14 November 2011

Senra, the Diplomat

The Barnstar of Diplomacy
My humble respects for your intervention at Talk:Re-establishment_of_British_rule_on_the_Falkland_Islands.
Your openness and efforts to make people understand each other says a lot about the person behind the nickname.
TY! :) --Langus (talk) 20:49, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Erm. My reward will be the continued civility between all involved editors though your above sentiment is welcome --Senra (Talk) 21:53, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I know, that's exactly why you deserve this barnstar. As for civility, you have my word I'll continue to do my best to keep a cool head. --Langus (talk) 21:20, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 21 November 2011

Ely

It's about the value to the reader in the lead. The lead is supposed to provide a short summary, and I didn't think it was particularly helpful in this regard – areas like that are not easily quantified by the reader and it seems like a less relevant detail. If the lead has to get shorter, which it does, then that seemed a sensible thing to skip. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 17:11, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Much appreciated --Senra (Talk) 17:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to revert. On my screen, 30em produces a single column. I'm not sure whether or not that is the intention, but that is the result. BTW, I've left a pointer to a source of images on the article's talk page. Mjroots (talk) 17:13, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I hate reverting :( and whilst I do do it when necessary I prefer to discuss. As a matter of interest, what is the horizontal resolution of your device monitor? The one I am currently sat it is 1366 pixels which renders 30em in three columns though I also use an iPad which renders 30em in two columns --Senra (Talk) 18:33, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've reverted. Not sure about this monitor as am not on my own computer atm. Mjroots (talk) 19:07, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Much appreciated. As a matter of interest, I ran a little experiment and discovered that {{reflist|colwidth=30em}} renders one column up to 1024 pix, two up to 1280 and three above 1280 --Senra (Talk) 00:21, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Adelaide Curve now has an opening date! The book used has further details of railways round Ely, but it's going to take me a while to soak up the info. Ning-ning (talk) 22:20, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nice comment

I'm glad to see someone other than me is watching it :) Geometry guy 00:11, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I might have gone too far but for me at least, the comment worked on so many levels --Senra (Talk) 00:26, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Can you wait to see how it will turn out? Geometry guy 00:33, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Meetup

Cambridge 13 is a week today (m:Meetup/Cambridge/13). Hope to see you there. (BTW do your interests stretch to Wisbech?) Charles Matthews (talk) 13:51, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will try and make the meetup. Wisbech in Northeast Cambridgeshire is 21 miles (34 km) north-northwest of Ely in East Cambridgeshire, the article I am helping with now. If you have a specific query shoot. If I can help in anyway, shoot --Senra (Talk) 16:00, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have been working today on Wisbech Stirs. But Wisbech Castle might be more your kind of thing. There seems to be quite a bit of mystery as to what the castle there was from the 1480s onwards for 300 years (brick, stone, ground plan etc.). Charles Matthews (talk) 21:14, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Wisbech is one of the most attractive towns of East Anglia"—Pevsner (1977)[1954] p 494. ibid. p. 497—Did you know that George Gilbert Scott designed the 1881 Clarkson Memorial just before his death? ibid. p. 502—The castle, west of the church, was built 1072. John Thurloe built a mansion, in the style of Thorney Abbey, on the site of the castle c. 1658. In 1663, Samuel Pepys said it was "a fine house" but still, it was demolished in 1816. For the castle, see also CHER record and Historic England. "Wisbech Castle (354806)". Research records (formerly PastScape). Retrieved 26 November 2011. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |access-date= (help) --Senra (Talk) 21:48, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I also have Edward Miller's The Abbey & Bishopric of Ely: The Social History of an Ecclesiastical Estate from the tenth century to the early fourteenth century - Cambridge UP, 1951 (reprinted 1969) (resulting from Ealdgyth#Ely Cambridgeshire) which has four entries in the index on Wisbech Castle AND in Savage (2002) pp. 48–49 we read that in 656, Wulfhere, son of Penda granted lands including Wisbech to St Peter's Monastery (Medeshamstede?) --Senra (Talk) 22:28, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There is also a lot about Wisbech Castle in Hampson, Ethel M; Atkinson, T D (1967) [1967], "Wisbech Hundred: Wisbech: Castle", in Pugh, Ralph B (ed.), The Victoria History of the Counties of England: A history of Cambridge and the Isle of Ely, vol. Vol. IV, London: for The University of London Institute of Historical Research by the Oxford University Press, pp. 351–354 {{citation}}: |volume= has extra text (help) and also Recusants in the castle, Wisbech and the civil war and Later history of the castle --Senra (Talk) 17:52, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Ely

After a very swift pass, it looks to me as if calling the "liberty of Ely" a county palatine was a misnomer hallowed by tradition: see the start of the VCH page. It was a "franchise", something probably confirmed by Henry I, the lawyers apparently agreed: [1] is William Blackstone; and Edward Coke in the VCH would be considered authoritative. Bentham [2] gives lists of the chief justices, and then bailiffs, who were local appointees up to, I think, William IV: what is said in Isle of Ely apparently checks out. The main practical effect after Henry VIII would have been that Ely wasn't on any of the circuits of judges. There is something more complicated before that, no doubt. Charles Matthews (talk) 18:57, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Very complicated. See for example Ely and Littleport riots 1816 where Edward Christian, the bishop's appointed judge, was unhappy at Lord Sidmouth's oyer and terminer appointed judges for the trial. Back to the Isle of Ely as a palatine ...
  • Miller (1969 reprint)[1951] (see article bibliography) p. 27 "It should be noted in passing [discussing Conqueror's writ] that these liberties were to be enjoyed generally throughout the abbey's lands. No distinction was made between the liberty within and without the hundreds of the church of Ely; no peculiarity was asserted at that time for what afterwards became the special liberty of the Isle of Ely which was 'in divers statutes called a county palatine'" and ibid. p. 200 Miller says "Finally, at one point only, in the Isle of Ely, there was yet another storey: a complex of privileges which may almost justify Coke's description of the Isle as a county palatine, ..."—ibid. p. 200 note 1 "Institutes of the Laws of England, IV V. 39: 'In divers statutes it is called the County Palatine of Ely.' There are certainly, a few references to the county palatine of Ely after the end of the Middle Ages: in a legal record concerned with a customary tenant in the Isle in Edward VI's reign preserved by Bentham, and in the King's Lynn Assembly Book, s.a 1610: CLU Add. 2962, f. 7; Hist. MSS. Commission, 11th Report, Appx. III, pp. 151, 177" and then he finishes with "... a description which would imply that the bishop's power and authority within the Isle was kinglike"—ibid. p. 200 note 2 Coke, Institute of the Laws of England, IV c. 36
... so perhaps Edward Miller changed his mind in VCH (1953) vol. IV chapt. 1 Liberty of Ely? I have no idea, so feel free to add or subtract anything you like --Senra (Talk) 21:41, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have left a note User talk:Ironholds#Liberty of Ely for the editor who self-describes as the only specialist in English legal history. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:45, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Much appreciated and it was good to see you yesterday --Senra (Talk) 11:48, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
@Charles: (the following may appear ungrateful or at best a little picky but as I am preparing for GAN then FAC I tend to get a little itchy so I apologise up-front) Your recent edits introduced the phrase "... but legal authorities such as Sir Edward Coke did not completely endorse the form of words" which remains (incorrectly?) attributed to the OED definition of the word palatine. I have briefly searched Miller (1969) and Miller in VCH (1953) and cannot reliably attribute Coke's lack of endorsement. Do you have a suitable citation for this assertion? --Senra (Talk) 13:47, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Does this, from VCH (1953) vol. IV p. 28, clear or muddy the waters?
  • "Ely never acquired the status of an incorporated borough. Since the Local Government Act of 1894 the city, with its environs, has been governed by an Urban District Council. The College Precincts formed an extra-parochial entity until 1933 and since then have been a separate civil parish though under the control of the Urban District Council. Only on one occasion, in 1295, did the city elect its own parliamentary representatives"
--Senra (Talk) 14:20, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GLAM project page view

GLAM related. At the Cambridge Wikipedia meetup 13 today, User:Magnus Manske (~Magnus) showed me one of his toolserver tool that provides a monthly "Page views of pages containing files from <Category:X Museum>"—BaGLAMa such as the nearly 34 million page views to the British Museum in October 2011. Magic! Just writing to myself here to record the tool for my future use --Senra (Talk) 22:05, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Just to say I hadn't clocked when I saw you at the meetup yesterday that you were the the guy who created the Ely and Littleport riots 1816. Great page :) Dsp13 (talk) 09:33, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. It was good to meet you too although we didn't speak much :) As I said to Charles recently, I tend to focus on settlements in my immediate area so a small number of in depth studies are my thing. I did spot you recently on an article I help maintain. I have not yet mentioned the Ely museum in the Ely article I am working on although I do mention St Mary's vicarage, which is now the Cromwell museum. I will perhaps see you at the (was it) Kipple museum workshop? --Senra (Talk) 10:40, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Premature to say any workshop's happening atm - but it would be nice if it does. Whipple museum :) I should think Ely museum is at least worth a stub - I'll give it a go, perhaps, as a prelude to visiting it with the kids! Dsp13 (talk) 12:25, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have just completed a couple of paragraphs on the Ely museum within Ely, Cambridgeshire. A search of the Cambridgeshire County Library Catalogue returns eight titles to the query "Ely Gaol" ;) Feel free to create Ely museum (not of course to be confused with Ely State Prison :) --Senra (Talk) 12:59, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sleuth21

Hi Senra, I just saw a puzzling exchange of 'ANI' or 'AN' (or whatever) messages. It appears I can't edit or add any text there so I just quickly write this note to assure you that no offence was taken and of course no apologies are necessary, but I appreciate your offer. I would be happy if you mentioned this on the inaccessible ANI (or whatever) WP site.

I would have commented on your message as well but I thought I should wait until my direct e-mail (on his request) to NewYorkBrad would be answered and (what I thought) is WP Head Office would respond to my friend's email (I think he wrote to 'errant'). I should mention that my friend is devastated by having his scholarly work of thirty years splashed all over WP without as much as a 'by your leave'.

So, please continue to contribute to WP! (sleuth21) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sleuth21 (talk • contribs) 19:23, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Thank you, much appreciated. I have copied the above to the noticeboard --Senra (Talk) 19:59, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 05 December 2011

Ely GAC

Hi, and thanks for your note. I hope you will forgive if I wait a couple of days before I start the review, as I will be quite busy the next few days. The article looks really good at first glance though! Lampman (talk) 20:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ely railway station- was it built in 1845 or 1847? The source I used in the station article says 1845, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was an error. Ning-ning (talk) 08:08, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Pevsner (1977) p. 381 says "RAILWAY STATION. 1847 ..." which will be discussing the building itself. Clearly the Cambridge to Ely section was opened in 1845 and there must have been a station of sorts built for that line opening. I recall reading a new article dated 1846 where the railway board agrees expansion of the station in early 1846. The Illustrated London News shows 1847 for the opening of the Lynn & Ely railway. I will change the prose to make it clear I mean the building, not the station --Senra (Talk) 09:09, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ha! My memory never ceases to amaze me. I am at the library and I found a note about the station in transcripts of the Ely Chronicle for January 10 1846. See Talk:Ely,_Cambridgeshire#Notes from Ely Chronicle --Senra (Talk) 10:42, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
According to Butt (1995), p. 91, Ely railway station was opened by the Eastern Counties Railway (ECR) on 30 July 1845. Dates in that book are typically the date of the first scheduled passenger train, which might not be the same as the formal ribbon-cutting ceremony, and may be significantly different from the completion date. Indeed, we find that in Allen, Cecil J. (1956) [1955]. The Great Eastern Railway (2nd ed.). Hampton Court: Ian Allan. p. 13. that the formal opening of the ECR line between Newport and Brandon (and of two routes which connected end-on) was 29 July 1845, and on p.14 of the same book "public traffic began over the whole length of the Shoreditch-Cambridge-Ely-Norwich line on July 30th, 1845.". --Redrose64 (talk) 16:55, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. There was minor confusion because Pevsner (1977) described Ely Station as built in 1847. We now know from the Ely Chronicle 10 January 1846 that Pevsner's station (opened on 25 October 1847 to coincide with the completion of the Ely-->King's Lynn line) was an extension of the temporary station opened on 30 July 1845 (to coincide with the opening of the Cambridge-->Ely line) that you describe above. Brilliant! --Senra (Talk) 17:10, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ely edits

Hi Senra, I've replied to your concerns on my talk page. If you don't agree with any of my reasoning please feel free to revert the edit concerned - I won't object. Richerman (talk) 23:57, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Online discussion supports critical thought by facilitating an adaptive exchange of ideas" (apparently). Indeed, we have been discussing and reaching agreement! --Senra (Talk) 12:03, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Having just read through the whole article again and made a few minor tweaks it seems to me that there's a bit of a gap in the Economy section. What do people who live in Ely do now? Is there a significant tourist trade? Do residents mostly work within the city, or do they commute to Cambridge for instance? There's a similar problem with Demography, but there it's even more striking; what's the profile of today's residents of Ely? Malleus Fatuorum 21:12, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wow...

... I am impressed. Have we ever talked before? Thank you. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

er, no? You work (with obvious passion) in a topic area which I will never have any interest in. I can still offer an opinion on format and style. However, as a relatively new editor, take my views at face value please --Senra (Talk) 12:00, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes sure, but you are good. Nevertheless, if i have to be totally honest, there are some of your points which i did not find correct. For example, in a music article, attributions are primordial to avoid {{by who}} templates in your work. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:05, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. I am not saying do not attribute. Perhaps take a step back from the article and consider if you are using too many quotations. In a case such as I highlight, you could reduce the in-line attribution clutter by weaving the quote into your own prose whilst ensuring that the reference clearly attributes the quote to a [profession +] person. A brief count of the number of quotations present in the good article Thriller reveals about six. Compare this with yours :) --Senra (Talk) 12:38, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Totally agree with by weaving the quote into your own prose whilst ensuring that the reference clearly attributes the quote. Thanks. I am going to do that at my level best. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:41, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, you have a point. I will surely consider that. By the way, can we be Wiki-friends? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:46, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what a wiki-friend is as I don't have any. I tend to work on my own articles and help others when needed or if asked. You are welcome to post on my user page here if you require help. Your user page is now on my watch-list. I will jump in if I see you in difficulties. Good luck with your articles --Senra (Talk) 14:08, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Lol... It means a friend who you will only meet on Wikipedia and not in real life. Happy to know you have my user page/talk on your watch-list. See you later. Take care and happy editing. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:15, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake

... as i just read in the MoS that the hyphen may be used in British English. But I got my come-uppance - I went through correcting them all and when I went to save, ran into an edit conflict which was you using a script to do the same thing. Next time I'll read the MoS first :) Richerman (talk) 23:40, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

:) --Senra (Talk) 23:55, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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GA mentor

Just responding to this comment. I am willing to help out if you are still interested. There is also a mentor page where you can request someone to be your mentor. If you have a FA you should have no problem with GA's. You don't have to choose a topic within your comfort zone, as long as you have a reasonable grasp of English and are willing to check reference, images etc any topic should be doable. AIRcorn (talk) 02:08, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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