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The repository linking to Go Ethereum in the infobox isn't quite right.

Go-Ethereum is an implementation, client, or engine of the Ethereum Virtual Machine. The URL for the repository would be better as "www.github.com/ethereum". However this is compounded by the repository URL apparently being taken from the reference to the Go Ethereum repository for the license, being the only place that the reference occurs. Furthermore there are more licenses than GPLv3, LGPLv, others have been used such as MIT in many repos, Apache 2.0,^[1] CC BY-SA 4.0,^[2] MPL-2.0^[3].(unsigned Talk page comment added by User:Jamesray1 on 2018-01-11T05:33:35)

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premined

@Overtheradar: I have reverted you edit to change the word premined to issued. We dont change things just because they are controversial. We also are only using top shelf WP:RS on crypto articles, meaning nyt, wsj, bloomberg, etc are ok. Coindesk, blogs, twitter, etc is not ok. If there a lot of sources saying issued, we can use that. I am assuming that we have a lot of sources for premined in the past, but that assumption could be wrong. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 17:45, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jtbobwaysf: It's not good to assume sources. And the word "premined" has no formal definition, while "issuance" does and one that would be appropriate in that sentence. How I've seen it, "premined" had been a word used by Bitcoin only proponents to underplay any currency that had an offering via public sale to bootstrap its network. I wouldn't say it's controversial, but definitely political when it shouldn't be. Wikipedia articles shouldn't introduce politics into something apolitical. Overtheradar (talk)

@Overtheradar: We introduce political things all the time, there are thousands of political articles. I have already advised you that reverting to re-add disputed content is a violation of WP:GS/Crypto and you may be banned for it. Your view on how an article should be is WP:OR. We use WP:RS to justify what we include here. PS, please WP:INDENT your responses. I added an extra to mine so you have space to add a single : to yours. I understand you are a new editor, please familiarize yourself with the special rules for blockchain, sourcing, etc. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 18:06, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jtbobwaysf: There's a difference between having politics in a political topic, and introducing politics into something not inherently political, like technology. Especially when using made-up words whose purpose is only to introduce politics. Overtheradar (talk)

There are always politics in everything. There are Ethereum supporters and crypto haters, etc and all edit this article. The truth lies in the middle. The approach that I suggest if you want to continue to challenge this content (ie this word) is to find sources that say that ethereum was issued. Please find what I call 'top shelf' sources like wsj, nyt, bloomberg, fortune, etc. Make a list of those here, or you can also make a list on your sandbox. Then if we can find some to offset the term "premine" we can then discuss which to use, or if we use both. Note things like reddit, twitter, coindesk, other crypto sites, etc will all not be counted as RS and will be useless in this exercise. It is very rare we will remove something defamatory, but it can occur on a WP:BLP, noting this article is not a BLP. WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT wont be considered anywhere. This is the wikipedia process. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 18:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What RS's currently support the statement that there was a premine? I'm reading through the Tapscott reference and it doesn't mention it. I'm also searching for RS's elsewhere and cannot find anything on the subject. If this statement is not supported by an RS, it should not be in the article. HocusPocus00 (talk) 14:30, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I found this. I dont see a premine hit when i search Tapscott. The ethereum website is not an RS, unless they refer to it as a pre-mine. "Out of the Ether: The Amazing Story of Ethereum and the $55 Million Heist" By Matthew Leising refers to premine. I dont see much else. Are there RS that say issued? Jtbobwaysf (talk) 17:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

QZ is a reliable source. I think that should be used instead of Tapscott. I believe it's also referred to as a premine in Russo's Infinite Machine book as well. HocusPocus00 (talk) 21:31, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HocusPocus00:Just seeing this now. One quick search found "mint" used to describe ICO crowdsourcing and initial issuance in the The Infinite Machine, no mention of "premine." Mastering Ethereum uses the term "mint" to describe token creation, no mention of "premine" anywhere. Mastering Ethereum written by another author also uses the word "mint" to describe tokens created for token sales. No mention of "premine" found. Ethereum-Beginner's Simplified Guide to Make Money with Ethereum mentions the public sale directly, calls it "a first supply." No mention of "premine" anywhere. Ethereum for Web Developers uses the word "mint" for referencing token creation. No mention of "premine." Introducing Ethereum and Solidity uses the term "issue" and "presale." No mention of "premine." Introduction to Blockchain and Ethereum uses the term "initial supply." No mention of "premine." Bitcoin And Ethereum Cryptocurrencies uses the term "initial supply." No mention of "premine" anywhere. Overtheradar (talk) 09:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jtbobwaysf: Checking on any updates. I motion to change "premine" with "an initial supply" like it is on most RS.Overtheradar (talk) 04:41, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping and for the clear sources and research you have done. HocusPocus00 do you have an opinion here? David Gerard do you have an opinion, I see you used the term premine in a tweet. I too dont see too many pre-mine hits when I google in wsj and fortune. Most just cryptozines like coindesk (which we are not using anyhow). Maybe it is also a bit too jargon for wikipedia as well. Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 07:29, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jtbobwaysf: @Overtheradar:I am fine with "an initial supply of 72 million" as Overtheradar proposed above. "Premine" presupposes that there were entities actively mining ETH before it was launched which was not the case. ETH was crowdfunded and tokens were released to individuals who bought into the initial ICO. This new language is more accurate for the Wiki article. HocusPocus00 (talk) 14:30, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Turing-complete scripts"

Hi,

Not a regular Wikipedia contributor but a computer scientist here, I hope this is the right way to suggest small edits:

"The Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) can execute Turing-complete scripts and run decentralized applications."

The phrase "can execute Turing-complete scripts" does not really make sense. A machine can be Turing-complete, but scripts can't be. I would suggest rephrasing this as "The EVM is Turing-complete, can execute any scripts, and can run decentralized applications."

Note also that the NY times reference only talks about the decentralized applications part but does not mention Turing-completeness.

In fact, the EVM is only "quasi-Turing-complete" according to this reference: https://cypherpunks-core.github.io/ethereumbook/13evm.html

Another way to deal with this would be to just say "The EVM can run decentralized applications." Monpqr (talk) 04:31, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed and done. HocusPocus00 (talk) 23:14, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Request to lift semi-protected status

I'd like for the semi-protected status to be lifted. I don't know why the article was put into semi-protected in the first place. I didn't see much, if any, vandalism going on. 107.77.219.26 (talk) 16:39, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It semi protected due to excessive promotional edits by IP address editors and is authorized by WP:GS/Crypto . Please create an account and feel free to join the party. I support continued restrictions on this article, it is one of the very worst of the WP:PROMO and WP:COI articles in the crypto space. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 04:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

interesting new update

I read this (for just one second until the paywall stopped me). Seems to say there was a major protocol change, about something. Maybe supply? This is a clear RS if someone has paywall access (I think there is a free limit per month, I guess I am over). Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 04:55, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is regarding EIP 1559 which is planned for the London hard fork in July or August 2021. It will burn transaction fees as opposed to providing them to miners. May be interesting to include in the Ether subsection. Thanks Hocus00 (talk) 13:37, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vis-à-vis Bitcoin

@Hocus00:, @Kencf0618:, @ToniTurunen:, and @RobertBlinov: I first removed a lot of content that is WP:PROMO from Ethereum#Comparison_to_Bitcoin for appearing at first glance to be promotional. Then later I was wondering if it is before the colon that precedes the text? So I re-added it (maybe only temporarily). Since each of you edited this text recently I thought I would ping you all here to discuss it. If anything in this section is promotional, unsourced, or obviously wrong, it will be removed. I am aware that a number of applications are being run on Lightning Network as well as bitcoin sidechains such as Rootstock and Omni, therefore the statement that 'bitcoin is only money will ethereum is everything' is both untrue (and probably promotional). Thought you all might comment on the sourcing first. Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 16:48, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody responded and I went today and looked at the sources and it almost entirely failed verification. The first source only states they are similar (Popper) and the second source points out the ethereum is designed to be more than a payment network. No other comparisons were made that I saw. I blanked the rest of the PROMO text, dont re-add it without sources. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 09:59, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That'll suffice for now. These are early days and we don't have to get into the weeds about what does what. It's a bit like comparing Swiss Army knives at this stage... kencf0618 (talk) 11:16, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How are you even supposed to interpret 'bitcoin is only money will ethereum is everything'? ToniTurunen (talk) 11:44, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That was me explaining things on this talk page, and not the text I have entered on the article. Please see the diff for the text i entered on the article. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 15:44, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this section was problematic. However, now after the deletion I think the section contains too little information. It definitely needs some additional details besides the fact that it can run applications. This article RS helpful.^[1] I can help work on the section. Hocus00 (talk) 21:13, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, there was a lot of well-sourced information in this section that was just reverted by User:Jtbobwaysf. If it wasn't cited specifically in this section, it was cited elsewhere in this article. For example, blocktimes are specifically mentioned in the NY Times article^[2] but reverted by Jtbobwaysf. Tokens that run on top of Ethereum are cited elsewhere in the article. This user has a history of reverting/deleting large contributions to articles with disregard for sourcing. A lot of this information should be replaced and Jtbobwaysf, please note that this article is still under WP:1RR regarding reversions to user edits. Hocus00 (talk) 21:42, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

^ Rodeck, David (26 March 2021). "What Is Ethereum And How Does It Work?". Forbes Advisor.
^ Popper, Nathaniel (1 October 2017). "Understanding Ethereum, Bitcoin's Virtual Cousin". The New York Times.

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[4] Rodeck, David (26 March 2021). "What Is Ethereum And How Does It Work?". Forbes Advisor.

[5] Popper, Nathaniel (1 October 2017). "Understanding Ethereum, Bitcoin's Virtual Cousin". The New York Times.

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	I agree that this section was problematic. However, now after the deletion I think the section contains too little information. It definitely needs some additional details besides the fact that it can run applications. This article RS helpful.<ref>{{cite web \|last1=Rodeck \|first1=David \|title=What Is Ethereum And How Does It Work? \|url=https://www.forbes.com/advisor/investing/what-is-ethereum-ether/ \|website=Forbes Advisor \|date=26 March 2021}}</ref> I can help work on the section. [[User:Hocus00\|Hocus00]] ([[User talk:Hocus00\|talk]]) 21:13, 5 April 2021 (UTC)		I agree that this section was problematic. However, now after the deletion I think the section contains too little information. It definitely needs some additional details besides the fact that it can run applications. This article RS helpful.<ref>{{cite web \|last1=Rodeck \|first1=David \|title=What Is Ethereum And How Does It Work? \|url=https://www.forbes.com/advisor/investing/what-is-ethereum-ether/ \|website=Forbes Advisor \|date=26 March 2021}}</ref> I can help work on the section. [[User:Hocus00\|Hocus00]] ([[User talk:Hocus00\|talk]]) 21:13, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
			:Additionally, there was a lot of well-sourced information in this section that was just reverted by [[User:Jtbobwaysf]]. If it wasn't cited specifically in this section, it was cited elsewhere in this article. For example, blocktimes are specifically mentioned in the NY Times article<ref>{{cite web \|last1=Popper \|first1=Nathaniel \|title=Understanding Ethereum, Bitcoin’s Virtual Cousin \|url=https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/01/technology/what-is-ethereum.html \|website=The New York Times \|date=1 October 2017}}</ref> but reverted by Jtbobwaysf. Tokens that run on top of Ethereum are cited elsewhere in the article. This user has a history of reverting/deleting large contributions to articles with disregard for sourcing. A lot of this information should be replaced and Jtbobwaysf, please note that this article is still under [[WP:1RR]] regarding reversions to user edits. [[User:Hocus00\|Hocus00]] ([[User talk:Hocus00\|talk]]) 21:42, 5 April 2021 (UTC)