Talk:Antarctica

climate facts are confusing

Climate section says highest temperature recorded was in 1982 (19.8C) yet in climate change section there are two direct contradictions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D08:2D7D:A980:4997:16B4:5A58:E51C (talk) 18:53, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Indeed. I dug into the source and made a correction. According to the source the 1982 high was in Signey Island, considered Antarctica, but NOT "continental and surrounding islands" Antarctica. In the Climate Change section, it refers specifically to "continental" Antarctica. It's a weird distinction and maybe someone else could do a better job here. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 19:09, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Featured article review needed

An “FA review needed” notice from 21 November 2020 was archived without resolution that I can decipher. I inquired about the status in February. At WP:URFA/2020, the status has been marked as “Working” since February. @Femkemilene, FunkMonk, Wretchskull, Devonian Wombat, and Jo-Jo Eumerus: what is the status of the issues raised last November?

• There is MOS:SANDWICH
• user:Evad37/duplinks-alt reveals considerable duplicate wikilinks, but I imagine many of those can be justified in a dense technical article (they should be checked)
• What is this source (incomplete)? "Proposition de classement du rocher du débarquement dans le cadre des sites et monuments historiques" (in French). Antarctic Treaty Consultative meeting 2006, note 4.
• MOS:CURRENT, but cited to 2011 (There is no current economic activity in Antarctica outside of fishing off the coast and small-scale tourism.[1])
  • Why report this data from 14 years ago (unclear)? A total of 37,506 tourists visited during the 2006–07 Austral summer with nearly all of them coming from commercial ships; … Also, “a total of” is redundant … During the 2006–2007 Austral summer, 37,506 tourists visited Antarctica, with nearly all of the coming from …
  • Also cited to 2011 … anything newer? About 30 countries maintain about 70 research stations (40 year-round or permanent, and 30 summer-only) in Antarctica, with an approximate population of 4,000 in summer and 1,000 in winter.[1]
• There are tags (The illegal fishing of toothfish has been increasing, with estimates of 32,000 tonnes (35,000 short tons) in 2000.[172][173][needs update])
• Department of Redundancy Department … In 2007, the Polar Geospatial Center was founded. The Polar Geospatial Center uses geospatial and remote sensing technology to provide …
• A copyedit, WP:MOSNUM review, and check that all information is current is needed.
• Et al. Is it really necessary to chunk up the text with 60authors (120 parameters when counting first and last), and then display only five of them? That is quite a mess to work around in edit mode, and I wonder why et al can’t be used to just chop them to five. {{cite journal |last1=Fretwell|first1=P. |last2=Pritchard|first2= H. D. |last3=Vaughan|first3= D. G. |last4=Bamber|first4= J. L. |last5=Barrand|first5= N. E. |last6=Bell|first6= R. |last7=Bianchi|first7= C. |last8=Bingham|first8=R. G. |last9=Blankenship|first9= D. D. |last10=Casassa|first10= G. |last11=Catania|first11= G. |last12=Callens|first12= D. |last13=Conway|first13= H. |last14=Cook|first14= A. J. |last15=Corr|first15= H. F. J. |last16=Damaske|first16=D. |last17=Damm|first17= V. |last18=Ferraccioli|first18= F. |last19=Forsberg|first19= R. |last20=Fujita|first20= S. |last21=Gim|first21= Y. |last22=Gogineni|first22= P. |last23=Griggs|first23= J. A. |last24=Hindmarsh|first24=R. C. A. |last25=Holmlund|first25= P. |last26=Holt|first26= J. W. |last27=Jacobel|first27= R. W. |last28=Jenkins|first28= A. |last29=Jokat|first29= W. |last30=Jordan|first30= T. |last31=King|first31= E. C. |last32=Kohler|first32=J. |last33=Krabill|first33= W. |last34=Riger|first34= M. |last35=Langley|first35= K. A. |last36=Leitchenkov|first36= G. |last37=Leuschen|first37= C. |last38=Luyendyk|first38= B. P. |last39=Matsuoka|first39=K. |last40=Mouginot|first40= J. |last41=Nitsche|first41= F. O. |last42=Nogi|first42= Y. |last43=Nost|first43= O. A. |last44=Popov|first44= S. V. |last45=Rignot|first45= E. |last46=Rippin|first46= D. M. |last47=Rivera|first47=A. |last48=Roberts|first48= J. |last49=Ross|first49= N. |last50=Siegert|first50= M. J. |last51=Smith|first51= A. M. |last52=Steinhage|first52= D. |last53=Studinger|first53= M. |last54=Sun|first54= B. |last55=Tinto|first55=B. K.|last56=Welch|first56= B. C. |last57=Wilson|first57= D. |last58=Young|first58= D. A. |last59=Xiangbin|first59= C. |last60=Zirizzotti|first60= A. | display-authors = 5 |title=Bedmap2: improved ice bed, surface and thickness datasets for Antarctica |journal=The Cryosphere |volume=7 |issue=1 |page=390 | date = 28 February 2013|url=http://www.the-cryosphere.net/7/375/2013/tc-7-375-2013.pdf |access-date=6 January 2014|doi=10.5194/tc-7-375-2013 |bibcode=2013TCry....7..375F }}
• These are just some samples from a quick look. After all the work done, is anyone able to bring this article over the line, or shall it go to FAR?

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 09:16, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

My assessment was here:[1] Still some issues that have not been dealt with, and I don't have the time to fix them myself. FunkMonk (talk) 10:51, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I am not sure if I can do much work here, but one thing I notice from the 2011 source is that the source itself does not seem to say that it's from 2011. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:52, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I was planning to do some more work here, but with reduced energy due to long covid and other onwiki priorities, I wouldn't be surprised if that'll take another year. Won't be able to bring it back to FA level alone. Femke (talk) 12:06, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Femkemilene would you prefer I not initiate the FAR? Sometimes that gets things moving, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:00, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Don't wait for me, I have no idea how long I'll be recovering. With me editing 'parttime' compared to normal, this is very low priority. Would be great if somebody else takes over. Femke (talk) 20:36, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

I would start a FAR because then an editor might come forward - but I am not intending to improve the article and the FAR document says "Nominators are strongly encouraged to assist in the process of improvement". I cannot really see any disadvantage of starting a FAR. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:50, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Chidgk1 with the one-article-per-week limit, it could be a long time before this article is sent to FAR. If you are able to complete the notifications and do some follow-through as the FAR processes (things like pinging people for feedback, responding to what has been addressed and what has not, entering declarations and the like), that is sufficient per the "strongly encouraged". SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:56, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

In case anyone reading this did not notice the link to the review is at the top of this talk page. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:21, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2021

"The first women to set foot on Antarctica were Caroline Mikkelsen, who landed on an island of Antarctica in 1935,[47] and Ingrid Christensen who stepped onto the mainland in 1937" is probably contradicted by "The oldest known human remains in Antarctica was a skull that belonged to a young woman on Yamana Beach at the South Shetland Islands, which dates back to 1819 to 1825, who was likely part of a sealing expedition. She was found in 1985." , unless there were strong indications from the obduction that the body washed up on the beach. The fact that Ingred Christensen stepped the mainland first seems to hold up, but the rest of the paragraf should be removed imao. 2A02:908:675:9020:A01B:283C:AD2F:10B0 (talk) 20:54, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Maybe just "The first known women". (CC) Tbhotch^™ 21:24, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Or "the first confirmed evidence of..." Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 22:05, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done I've reworded here. Thanks IP! --Hemantha (talk)

Demonym

Here, it says the demonym is "Antarctic", but on the Demonym Wikipedia page, it is "Antarcticans". Awesomecat713 (talk) 03:11, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Sources on the representation of Antarctica in popular culture

I've noticed that the article lacks any representation of Antarctica's depiction in popular culture, so I've gathered together some scholarly sources that might be used to write such a section. Devonian Wombat (talk) 07:26, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

• Leane, Elizabeth (12 September 2019). Ice and the Ecothriller: Popular Representations of Antarctica in the Anthropocene (PDF). Routledge. doi:10.4324/9780429429705-6 – via University of Tasmania.
• Leane, Elizabeth (29 June 2012). Antarctica in Fiction: Imaginative Narratives of the Far South. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 9781107020825.
• Dodda, Klaus (27 January 2017). Handbook on the Politics of Antarctica. Edward Elgar Publishing. doi:10.4337/9781784717681. ISBN 9781784717674.
• Glasberg, Elena (October 2008). "Who goes there? Science, fiction, and belonging in Antarctica". Journal of Historical Geography. 34 (4). Elsevier: 639–657. doi:10.1016/j.jhg.2008.08.001.
• Wainschenker, Pablo; Leane, Elizabeth (9 March 2020) [2019]. "The 'alien' next door: Antarctica in South American fiction". The Polar Journal. 9 (2): 324–339. doi:10.1080/2154896X.2019.1685178.
• Griffiths, Tom (2008). "The cultural challenge of Antarctica: the 2007 Stephen-Murray Smith memorial lecture". The La Trobe Journal. State Library of Victoria.

In popular culture sections are uniformly terrible, and I see no reason to burden this article with one when we don't for any other continent. That said Antarctica in fiction seems like a perfectly valid article topic. Hemiauchenia (talk) 07:37, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Why does this article make no mention of the Māori/Polynesians?

It's been pretty well-known for a while now that white people/Europeans were not the first to discover Antarctica. The Māori have oral history describing the discovery of a land filled with snow and massive mountains of ice. There is even an article on Wikipedia describing the man who is said to have done it - so why is there not a single mention of this in this article? Even if it's not totally verifiable, it's still pertinent information. FailSandwich (talk) 07:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

If you can find a reliable source, feel free to add it! Wikipedia is the free encyclopedia, after all. See also: WP:BOLD. xRENEGADEx ^{(talk | contribs)} 07:16, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

You can also add your comments here [2], as the article is currently undergoing a featured article review (FAR). xRENEGADEx ^{(talk | contribs)} 07:18, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

This is information totally new to me, but it certainly sounds like something to add, so long as we use reliable sourcing. Just did some Googling, and found these...

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/10/australia/new-zealand-maori-antarctica-intl-hnk-scn/index.html

https://strangesounds.org/2021/06/polynesians-maori-discovered-antarctica-over-1300-years-ago.html

I'm sure there are many more. What do you think? If nobody else rushes into it, I'll have a go at adding something myself soon. HiLo48 (talk) 07:23, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Because the claims are unproven and extremely speculative, and are not prominent enough in the literature surrounding the discovery of Antarctica to warrant inclusion. This was extensively discussed at Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard/Archive_82#Polynesian_expedition_to_Antarctica with a consensus to exclude. The claims are entirely based on vague lines in oral tradition that could easily refer to other things. Citing newspapers that uncritically repeat the conclusions of controversial studies makes me want to gouge by eyes out. Hemiauchenia (talk) 07:52, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

References

As per the discussion in the FAR, I would like to move the formatting of the book citations to the harv style next week. Any objections? Amitchell125 (talk) 14:30, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2022

Add Kerguelen Islands as a country/region of Antarctica similar to all other continents KHill40 (talk) 10:26, 9 February 2022 (UTC)