Talk:Greece

Gap 1949 to 1965/7

There appears to be a gap in the history and I wonder if someone who knows the period could fill it. Thank you.

New (Final) (17/03/2023) Results for Population (Census 2021)

Population: 10.482.487

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79.103.83.196 (talk) 15:26, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

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Cosmetic split

The aims of purpose this edit are multi-layered: first, splitting up the history section into pre-modern and modern periods is a major aid the reader as it allows the header level of the country's modern history to be raised, which in the new vector layout makes it a main header on the left and allows readers to skip straight to the modern history of the country; secondly, it was an overly long section, and reducing this is better practice with regard to section sizes (as viewable with the function at the top of this talk page) and makes the individual sections more readily digestible; thirdly, the pre-modern history is very broad, incorporating Hellenic colonial history well beyond the borders of modern Greece as well as a segue to the Macedonian expansion into Persia, so "Hellenic" is a suitable broader and more appropriate descriptor for this portion of the history. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:30, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Overall, it doesn't seem like a bad idea. Personally, I only have a minor concern when it comes to consistency with WikiProject Countries and the rest of country articles, where history is always one section, equally large (some maybe even larger), incorporating history from antiquity to modern era in the same section. Not sure whether this article needs a different layout. As I said, not necessarily a bad idea, this is just a comment. Don't know if other editors have an opinion about this. Piccco (talk) 13:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

The over-optimistic WikiProject Countries framework also assumes that country histories can be restrained to just 4 to 6 paragraphs of content, which appears never to be the case. And now Vector 2022 has brought new challenges. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:01, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

I think the section title should remain as just "History" as it is consistent with every single other article. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:22, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Therealscorp1an. Having two separate history sections is not only arbitrary (where do you split?) but also extremely unusual, and not done on any other article as far as I can tell. Khirurg (talk) 23:08, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Third Hellenic Republic

Should the article Third Hellenic Republic be deleted merged or kept the same. from what I have seen there is no other countries that currently exist that has 2 ''main'' articles Von bismarck (talk) 11:51, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

I agree. there is significant overlap. Cinadon36 12:15, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

This merge proposal has already been suggested a year ago but it was eventually dismissed for the reasons mentioned there. Piccco (talk) 21:11, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

COMPUTER VIRUS

Somewhere in the summary for the article it is written that the constitution as being revised 3 times since the military junta, however, immediately after, the article presents four dates (years) on which, a constitutional ammendment was made, the latest in 2019. A bug, perhaps? 2001:818:DE97:3200:3D0D:71B7:32AE:9F3E (talk) 19:44, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

EDIT: In the Politics section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:818:DE97:3200:3D0D:71B7:32AE:9F3E (talk) 19:45, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Third Hellenic Republic and Tempi rail crash

I feel that inclusion of Tempi rail crash is WP:UNDUE. Third hellenic republic is almost half a century old, currently covered by 4 paragraphs, one of them is Tempi rail crash. Pinging @NikosLikomitros: who added the text [2] Cinadon36 14:09, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Agree, this is hardly the type of coverage we want in a top-level summary article that has multiple sub-articles. Right now, this event is not even covered in any of the detail articles that this one is meant to be summarizing. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:16, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cinadon36 It is the worst rail accident in Greek history, and definitely a very important event of this decade, although it is reality that its long term impact is still to appear. I acknowledge that there is very few text and I am planning to expand the unit with some missing stuff about the third Hellenic Republic, particularly with a very small summary the nineties where there is a lack of text. NikosLikomitros (talk) 14:19, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Firstly @NikosLikomitros: I 'ld like to thank you for your reply and effort to improve the article. To be honest, I fail to notice improvement. It seems as an attempt to dilute the article so to lower the bar for inclusion. But now, the section seems like a collection of events (apart from the first paragraph- I assume it was created first and then various users added what they deemed important). To be fair, the whole article suffers from the same issue, more or less. Cinadon36 21:35, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree, remove per WP:UNDUE and WP:RECENT. The fact that it didn't have any significant impact in the recent election just proves it. Being the largest frog in the pod isn't enough to be included. (It is the same reason that the 2018 Attica wildfires, the deadliest in Greek history are not mentioned). C messier (talk) 11:24, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Alright, is anybody finding themselves in disagreement to include the following sentence in the lead of the article? "Over the course of history, different civilizations have lived in various parts of Greece, such as Albanians, Arvanites, Greeks, Ottomans, Vlachs, Pomaks, Slavs and others." AlexBachmann (talk) 23:34, 12 June 2023 (UTC)