User talk:JayHenry

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from john green

Hi, Jay, I just wanted to say thanks for the spirited (and committed) defense of the wikipedia page about me. I really appreciate it. I have found myself wishing there were more content on the page, but never wishing that there was, like, random things I happened to say on blogs taken wildly out of context. So thanks. -John

Howdy back

I sure do, Jay, although I rarely make edits. But I can't be a true wiki lover if I don't have an account on Wikipedia :). I do find it to be a lot different from LGPedia in some aspects though. I tend to like the feel of a small project more than that of a huge project--it's less intimidating I guess. Anyway, thanks for the comment and I'll see (in the broad sense of the word) you around.--Jonpro 21:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think WikiProjects kind of do combine the worlds. I just started helping out with WikiProject Go, but I'm not even sure if it's active actually. I like to play Go though, so I thought, hey, why not? I have a feeling I may be drifting from one WikiProject to another since I don't really know very much about any specific thing. As you probably know, I like to do more wiki-related things rather than content-related things anyway, so I guess it really doesn't matter that much what WikiProject I'm a part of.--Jonpro 01:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Oops, that's kind of funny that of all the ones I could forget, it's the one I edit the most (and I'm an admin on...). Thanks for pointing that out. :)--Jonpro 06:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I'm spending lots of time here, but mostly reading up on bizarre animal mating habits for my blog. A guy's gotta have standards. --BBrucker2 18:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi there!

Hi. This is grundle2600. My user name is a reference to the video game "Adventure" on the Atari 2600. "Grundle" is the name of the green dragon in that game. See Adventure (Atari 2600).

re:Hippos

Hai JayHenry, I am a student on Leiden university and doing my master thesis on pleistocene dwarf hippos from the mediterranean. I work in the National Museum of Natural History in Leiden (Naturalis). I am currently overlooking the taxonomy. The name is Hippopotamus minor. If the genus Phanourios is used it should be Phanourios minor and not minutus. minor come from Desmarest and mintus from Cuvier. Since Desmarest was 2 years earlier than Cuvier, his name has priority over Cuvier's. When I finish my thesis I will look further into wikipedia at the hippos especially and probably post pictures. This is the Cretan, Cypriot, Sicilian and Maltese. Hopefully I have answered your questions, if not you can mail me directly at Naturalis. -Basvanhuut 03:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Hai Jayhenry, I have added some discussion point on the cretan and cypriot hippo. I was wondering if you could take a look and say what is your opinion. I would appreciate that very much. Discussion can leads to good ideas and keeps you alert. Thanks in advance. Greetings --Basvanhuut 09:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Florence of Arabia

On 18 May, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Florence of Arabia, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 06:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Christopher Buckley

Ok, make the changes as you suggest and your reasoning seems sound to me. I have to base a lot of what I find on the content of the articles themselves and often there is little to give details of notability, generally a problem with the articles anyway. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 16:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

An Invite to join Novels WikiProject

Hi, you are cordially invited to join the Novels WikiProject! As you may have guessed, we're a group of editors working to improve Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to fiction books often referred to as "Novels". We make no length distinction so all narrative prose fiction is of interest. This includes Novels, novellas, novelettes and short stories. Articles about the works themselves and the forms and genres.

As you have shown an interest in Christopher Buckley we thought you might like to take an interest in this well established WikiProject.

We look forward to welcoming you to the project! :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 17:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Please remember to issue warnings when reverting vandalism

Hello. I'm in agreement with the recent revert you made to Seven Wonders of the World. You may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. --Kralizec! (talk) 21:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Kralizec, I'm aware of all the warning templates, but I actually respectfully disagree with you that it's appropriate to use them after every single incidence of edit reversion. As cautiously worded as the {{uw-delete1}} template is I really believe these templates intimidate and discourage users who made a single, trivial mistake. In the case of "Seven Wonders of the World," the edit I reverted was over 30 minutes old and it was clear that the contributor was making no further edits. I think it's important to look at an edit history before slapping on templates (for example, if you'd looked at mine you might have seen I make frequent use of the warnings templates.) But at any rate, I appreciate that you're keeping a keen eye on things. --JayHenry 21:21, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

While I understand your perspective, warnings are the clearest path to blocks. Ultimately I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Thank you for your time, speedy reply, and courtesy! Kralizec! (talk) 21:50, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I need help in a discussion

Do you mind taking a quick look at an article I wrote? JoeyC5 19:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very, very much! Those were very helpful tips. I know it's hard finding information on CJ Johnson. I'm constantly updating the article as I find more information. I referenced news articles that he was both and wrote articles in. I also gave three external links. Is there anything else that might help? JoeyC5 20:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey

I've replied to you on my talk. Cheers :) – Riana ⁂ 11:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

The Editor's Barnstar

		The Editor's Barnstar
		I, Smee, hereby award The Editor's Barnstar to JayHenry. I first noticed your great work at Frank Sinatra Has a Cold, and then took some time to see your other great editing work. Thank you for your well sourced contributions to the project. Yours, Smee 22:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:lonleygirl15

Hello JayHenry, I am going to post this on your page too but I am going to copy it there and leave a copy here(on my page). Anyhow, I never said that ALL of her videos were rated low, just that many of them were. And more are rated 2's and 3's than most videos.... What should I use to make a "controversal" claim then? And besides, being in the trivia section it may be more recognizable to the wikipedia readers. I noticed the format was messing up for some reason, so I guess I should let it lie for now but if I find a way to source my claim(which is true) then I will do it and hopefully it won't mess up the format of the page. Wwefan980 23:14, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Kay Korner

Saw your note in passing. He assertions winning a significant competion, so it is not a speedy under A7. Any boa fide assertion will do, if it seem possible that its made in good faith. The thing to do is to nom for AfD--I expect it will be deleted there with no trouble at all. If you think it will be contested, you might as well send for AfD in the first place, because even the author can remove a prod. Prod is very useful for neglected pages. DGG 00:06, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I see AfD agreed with you, or at least the first two people to look at it did. --well, that's what AfD is for. (smile)

Until this I had never thought about an assertion of a local competition possibly not counting as an assertion for purposes of A7--I continue to think it should count, for "local" is always debatable, even if the item at hand probably wouldn't show relevance at AfD; I'll discuss it on the talk page for WP:CSD. -- so thanks for sending it, & for starting the discussion.

Sometime it's an Interesting question what counts as local anyway: for Rebecca Stewart, I conceivably might have said A7 partly because the source was MySpace, & partly because it was high school. --peripheral things like that do have an influence But if she had won the State competition I wonder if it still would have been A7--

As for Kay Korner, I think you gave a good argument for delete, the not for speedy. I'm certainly not going to follow it up as a particular case, unlike the general question. DGG 20:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC) I agree that such articles are a nuisance, and I usually ignore them at AfD. DGG 16:51, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Re, RFA

Hey, don't feel bad :) The worst part about fighting between Wikipedians is not that it causes strife, but that it disservices our readers. Just stick to the WikiWay, and beyond the politics, things can't be that bad. Cheers, Gracenotes^T § 17:30, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 28 May, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Frank Sinatra Has a Cold, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Smee 20:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

On June 4, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dateline: Toronto, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Hi Jay and thanks for your contributions. They certainly enliven DYK with their colour and offbeatedness. Happy editing, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Presidents table -- technical concerns.

1. There's a problem--the sorts are not working--clicking on the sort button at the top of any column sorts by the sequence of presidents, up or down. It sees the sort button, for it changes to up or down, but then it doesn't get the right column 2. Once you get it working, the next problem is to have it start at the appropriate column. If you want to use it for multi-purpose, then there needs to be an appropriate title: a. " Table of US Presidents by ___" and I can;'t think of a good last word. b. An alternative is to call it just Table of US presidents, to have the various list of __by all redirect to it, and to have bold faced at the top for the possibilities, so people know what to do. 3. There's another way I just thought of, though it is much less elegant. show/hide now works. Call it table of US presidents, and have a presorted list for each, all of them hidden until you expand the section. I could do that myself, but you should have the chance first, in respect to the amount of work you have already put in. 4. I think with a sortable list or with a page of hidden tables, it will be functional enough that it will be easy to defend, and then other lists can be done the same way. Part of the opposition to lists of X by Y, is the multiple lists the same group could have--but a single page should be thought of more highly, and that will help the other lists.

I now understand the numbers, that, but the left hand column still goes Washington Adams Jefferson, or Bush, Clinton, Bush regardless of the setting. Could you check what you see--I'm using Safari. I have Java turned on, and use the monobook skin. That shouldn't make a difference though DGG 19:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

general concerns about stuff at AfD.

Your compromise was ignored in large part because of the large number of less useful lists that had preceded it. The first one of a number of similar things sets the pace, and people who want to delete a whole class will know enough to start with the weakest. The only tactic is to then nominate the strongest oneself, but this can be defeated by their then nominating separately each of the others. I think when defending classes of pages in the future, people who like the class of things should say when a weak one comes up, that they !vote to delete this, but will support anything more important. I see it both ways--for some things, I am trying to set a pattern of deletion, and for some things just the opposite. Decisions at a random group like Afd can be greatly influenced by the randomness of people who show up and what they pay attention to--I look once a day, but do not comment on most of the items. There are only a few who tend to comment on everything. This is aided by the ban on canvassing--obviously if there were not the ban, then everything could be kept if there were 8 or 10 people who would support it, unless there was equally strong opposition. But one can still canvass an interested group in a neutral way. It is not forbidden to announce a debate without indicating which way, provided you don't single out individuals, but something like a president's list could be announced at the history and the presidents workgroups for example. Not everyone there would vote to keep, but most would, if it were any good.

More generally, this sort of dynamics happens in face-to-face meetings also, but not as strongly because typically a much larger percent of the possible people are there. But to try to sneak something through when only your supporters are present has been a device used for centuries, and still effective.

What is not typical is that there is a very strong reluctance to improving things at AfD, and I think that should be addressed in general. I improve bios while they are there, and some others do the same, but there is nothing more common than for someone to say, it's notable, based n the following 3 references, and then not put them into the article so newcomers to the debate will see it. This is different from most groups--generally the way of getting something done is to amend the motion while its on the floor, so people dont have the usual length of time to react. It rarely works here, for better or worse, though some of the people more experienced in committee work do it very well.

That's another factor, which is that experienced people have an advantage. Obviously experience here at WP debates, but also from outside. I am experienced in committees, from university committees but also some geographically dispersed ones that do the business on the phone in conference calls, and some of the people here are a good deal more so. Use of postings--or even IRC is a different art, however, but I've some experience in that also. The reason important things work better in person is that it is easier to see when someone is really upset, and one can appeal non-verbally to the others. also, everyone has to leave in an hour or so, so some decision must be made, which can either encourage compromise, but also gives an opening to last minute reversals. (The last few days of congress or a state legislature are good examples.) (And some Afds have had sudden reversals also. The end , as well as the beginning, can be a strong position. )

The method I like best for things I think worth the trouble is to bring things up again, calmly, not pressing very hard, at intervals of several months. WP works much faster than that, so people who do have a long range plan and patience enough not to get into uncooperative modes along the way, can accomplish a good deal for whatever it is they support. (The way I keep from gettingto angry is to work on several different things. Most WP people concentrate on one, and then they tend to get into fights. Your user page says you're thinking of a 20-year period. I think in terms or 2 or 3 years.. (Please excuse my using your page for the rough draft of an essay)

Re: Hey Silver!

Wow, Jay? This was a surprise. Usually I'm not the know-it-all type (unless it comes to LG15), so I usually work on punctuation edits and wikifying pages. =D I work on that sort of stuff over at the LGPedia as well. LOVEED the newest vid ("HOLY SH%T!!!" from Sarah). I'm a big Bonas fan. Bonas is definitely an added bonus to LG. --silver^BULLET(x3) 15:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice portfolio!

I wondered over to your user page, after replying to your comments at WT:NOT, and found Billy (pygmy hippo) among other gems of articles. Nice going! I love the userpages design as well, with the tabs. Might imitate that one day. I dunno, I find articles like those you wrote so interesting, but the line with people and tabloid-style journalism articles feels different somehow. Writing about a person should, I think, require a different style to that when writing about a magazine article (the Sinatra one), or a famous pygmy hippo. Collating from different sources to write the definitive article on something like that is OK, but doing it for a person can be an invasion of their privacy, or a short stub that can't really be expanded. I suppose the closest thing I can find in your collection is John Dau, which could be merged to God Grew Tired of Us. For example, why does John Dau have an article and not Daniel and Panther? Hope you don't mind me using this article as a discussion point! Carcharoth 21:19, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Not much to add, but wanted to thank you in turn for the nice reply! I'm afraid I rather expect people to be defensive, but it is nice to be able to discuss things calmly like this. BTW, I haven't seen the film God Grew Tired of Us, I presume you have? It sounds good. WOuld you recommend it and is it generally available? I noted the year of release in the article, though at the bottom it only said "planned for release". Do you know what happened with that? Carcharoth 21:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Woody Guthrie

Thanks for the Good Article listing! I actually have not edited a ton on this article, but have followed it for a while and realized that it has a lot of potential. Its the first time that I have listed an article for Good Article status, so its great to see that it held up to review. I'll keep grinding away to improve it more. —Gaff ^ταλκ 07:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Archaeopotamus

On 14 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Archaeopotamus, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 02:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 16 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Pump House Gang, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 09:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)