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If you came here to accuse me of anything, offend me or suggest my parents were commies - think twice before you post anything here. //Halibutt

German Soldier House

Hi. I am writing you because you seem to be the mail contributor of German Soldier's House, an article whose factual correctness seems is doubtable to me, because no actual historical proof seems to be existant. Please look over at the talk page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.168.6.211 (talk • contribs) 11:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

Mapy

Serdecznie zapraszam do edycji Atlasu historycznego na Wikibooks Proszę o odpowiedź na http://pl.wikibooks.org/wiki/Dyskusja_Wikipedysty:Dawid —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.4.185.100 (talk) 13:54, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

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Request for opinion

Halibutt, hi, I know we haven't agreed on some things in the past, but I do value your opinion on many things Poland-related. I know that you've worked on articles related to Polish Army officers, and I was wondering if you could take a moment to offer your opinion at this discussion? (caveat: It's about one of my relatives) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antoni Dunin (2nd nomination). It's my feeling that the debate could definitely benefit from more opinions from people who are actually familiar with the topic area. Thanks, Elonka 17:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, and we'll see! Unfortunately there are a lot of politics going on, and I'm afraid that the article is being judged on other things than just its merits.  :/ If it's deleted, I would find that sad, since I think that it's currently in better shape than most of the other articles at Category:Polish Army officers! I do wish we could find out why he was awarded the Virtuti Militari, but if nothing else, I was very interested in the information that you found, especially about the Battle of Bzura. I was wondering, do you think you could find out which battle that Antoni's older brother died in? The one in the Wojciech Kossak painting?[3] The Death of Stanisław Dunin, Śmierć Porucznika Stanisława Dunina. I was thinking that if there's an article about the incident somewhere on Wikipedia, perhaps I could donate an image of the painting. I know very little about his military career or death, except "starszy syn Stanisław poległ śmiercią walecznych w r. 1920 pod Maciejowicami." Thank you again for the help, Elonka 08:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't tell much about the other of your ancestors. In 1920 the village of Maciejowice in Masovia (or rather nearby Kobylnica; the battlefield of Kościuszko's earlier Battle of Maciejowice) was quite notable as the furthest point up the Vistula the Soviet Mozyr Group reached. There were some fights with Russian front guards there during Piłsudski's offensive (see the article on the Battle of Warsaw (1920) for more info), but the picture show some fights in the winter and in the winter of 1919-1920 the Bolsheviks were some 800 kilometres to the east of Maciejowice. Besides, judging by the Russian uniforms, the picture you linked seems to show a scene from the 1860 January Uprising rather than the 1919-1920 war. This might be a poetic representation (you know, like Bonaparte dressed in Roman armour), but the snow definitely is something fishy. Sure, there are other villages of that name in Poland, but all of them were outside of the Soviet sphere of control in 1920. //Halibutt 12:43, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, and that rings a bell. When I was a child, I remember someone telling me that the painting was indeed a stylized version of Stanislaw's death, and that there hadn't really been snow on the ground! I also remember them saying something about how it was more of a skirmish than a full-out battle. The story that the painting is representing, is that of an ambush -- the enemies (Russians?) had been pretending to be a civilian family, and then as the Polish cavalry approached, the Russians threw off their covering blanket or something and then attacked. The painting shows someone on the sled firing a handgun directly at Stanislaw (you can see the muzzle flash if you look closely at the painting), but from what I was told, that's stylized too, as he wasn't actually killed by that kind of small-arms fire. Another art expert that I spoke to, who didn't know much about military history, was quite impressed by some of the other artistic elements of the painting, saying that there were some breakthroughs in terms of perspective or foreground/background elements in that period of art... I wish I could remember more. I do know that Wojciech Kossak has done a lot of work on patriotic Polish paintings, so there was probably something else that was being represented here about that area or the style of the fighting there, I'm not sure. My father told me that when he was in Poland, he remembered someone showing him a book of Kossak's artwork which talked more about this particular painting, and I think also held some earlier sketches of the same setting, but I've been unable to locate exactly which book. There's a museum somewhere in Poland that has an entire wing of Kossak artwork, yes? Perhaps they have a bookshop, hmm... The link to the January Uprising is also interesting, as I know that there were other family members involved with that. The painting was probably commissioned by Rodryg Dunin. His grandmother Agnieszka Baranowska was a well-known playwright in Poznan, and her husband Stanislaw Baranowski (Rodryg's grandfather), another Army officer, died in the January Uprising. So that link might have been deliberate! But that's all just guesswork. Oh, and the other painting of the man in uniform at my "paintings" page.[4] I'd be happy to donate an image of that as well, if you could figure out where it would be useful. :) Anyway, thanks again for the help, 10:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you. Conscious 08:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

PoeticBent and the Free City

So tell me, what convinced you?

PoeticBent cited two things:

• Other articles which use Kraków, many of which he moved himself. It's entirely possible that some of them should have it, by WP:NCGN; if it would help, I'll make that point.
• Policy references which do not say what PoeticBent says they do.

If you are in fact reacting to the appalling baiting going on, please consider that this, in the long run, gives the "victory" to the side with the least scruples and greatest numbers; destroying WP's civility and credibility in the process. Tempting though this must be, are the odds with you? and is it worth it? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:55, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

History of Warsaw

I'd suggest you don't waste your time on trying to convince some Lithuanian editors to our POV; it is as stressfull as it is ineffective. Instead, why not try to finish History of Warsaw project? I am sure it will be much less stressfull and much more rewarding.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  21:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

You know its not true. We have dozens of long articles that vandals rarely touch.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  06:13, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

And all articles were related to Lithuania. Do you see a trend? If they don't want our help, let them be. We have plenty of Poland-related topics to develop. I am all for waiting 10 years and seeing if by then we get more editors from those parts who understand words like 'cooperation' and 'consensus', but I am not ready to let few extremists chase me off this project when there is still so much work to do in areas which they don't frequent. Again, I urge you to start work on History of Warsaw, and for each trolling you suffer during it I pledge to buy you a case of beer :) How does that sound? -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  17:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately in my areas of interest there's barely anyone but extremists. Sure, it was fun to browse through hilarious delusions by Nico, Zyvinbudas or Dr.Dan, but it is fun no more. Once I had plenty of time to write articles - and some of them must've been nice. However, currently my time is limited and I really don't like the idea of wasting it on writing articles for the bunch of hammers to vandalize just for the sake of it. Ever seen Lokyz, M.K. or Dan provide a single piece of evidence to their claims? Nope. Then why should I be better then they are? If they can do harm to this project and go unpunished, then there's no place for me here. Sad but true. I'll let them play their games in peace. Mądry głupiemu ustępuje, or something along those lines. //Halibutt 17:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Why should you be better then they are is rather obvious. And please, show me a non-Lithuania topic you wrote an article recently on and that was subject to trolling?-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  17:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

If Wiki is a restaurant, it's a big one. If you insist on eating in the troll section, and complain that they insult you - tough luck. There are many other sections with nice, cultural and friendly people, who appreciate what you do. Again, I urge you: don't get involved with trolls, edit something else. If you don't enter their small section, they will cease to exist for you.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  22:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I like your metaphores. But few points of order: 1) is the Lithuanian cuisine all you like? 2) Several people have seen the problem, but it appears that the crazy chief goes nuts only when he see Poles - and as few people frequent the Polish-Lithuanian corner, few people see the problem. I believe that the Lithuanian restaurant is an exception to the rule one bad restaurant in the city odoesn't mean that all food is bad there. One again I think you would solve all your problems if you could just give up on Lithuanian cusine for a few years. I am sure that soon enough, more migrants from that place will come to our Wikitown, and drive out the chief and his troll-aids who wreck their reputation, anyway.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  00:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

As for evidences you failed to provide single academic source to "Expulsions of Poles" claims. Maybe this read will help you clear your mind. It's about Belarus, but I do doubt situation seriously was different In Lithuania. And yes your metaphors really show your level of culture and bias.--Lokyz 14:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

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