User talk:EncMstr

Blond

Hi EncMstr, unfortunately it may need protecting again, looking at the edit history. Could you look into it if you have time? Perebynis (talk) 08:52, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Yep, looks like a bunch of anons are being disruptive. It's protected for two months this time. —EncMstr (talk) 09:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Now there is a poll about that photo on Blond. Perhaps you will wish to help achieve consensus. rewinn (talk) 21:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

X marks the WPOR COTW spot

Guten Tag WikiProject Oregon team members! Great job last week with the Collaboration of the Week, we improved George Lemuel Woods and added eleven new state park articles. This past week we also surpassed the 6000 article mark as a project. The weather may suck, but WPORE is not. For this week we have by request Music of Oregon and Phil Knight. Both need some help, and with Knight we might be able to improve it to GA standards. Once again, to opt out of these messages, leave your name here, or click here to make a suggestion. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Fonzie says good job

		The COTW award from WPOR.
		Thanks for leading the way in last week's Collaboration of the Week! For making parks happen. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Page move

Re: User_talk:Peteforsyth#Page move, am I gonna screw anything up? Northwesterner1 (talk) 01:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, for the help. I created the two disambig pages Blue Mountain and Blue Mountains. One last thing seems to need fixing: The Blue Mountains talk page is currently pointing to Blue Mountains (Australia). Northwesterner1 (talk) 02:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

 Fixed. Also, I made a merge suggestion on the unredirected talk page. —EncMstr (talk) 02:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Please protect my page User talk:68.4.176.68

The page protection from my talk page has expired. Since then, the 75.47.xxx.xxx IP continues to stalk me and edit my talk page and my comments. Please protect my page, and please make it indefinite if you can. Thanks. And yes, I'm aware I can't edit my page either. 68.4.176.68 (talk) 03:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

 Done I'll investigate further in a little while. —EncMstr (talk) 03:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Racist abuse

Hi friend, you've done good work in blocking Vyaghradhataki and his sock-puppets. :-) . I wish to approach you with the issue of this Pakistani editor indulging in personal abuse, racism and religious fanaticism directed against me. I don't wish to go public with this issue due to personal reasons. However, it is a dire breach of civility and this user must be blocked. Thank you!

This is what he has said in my talk page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ravichandar84&diff=prev&oldid=216444420

"If you re-add the image again then I will go around and find the worst images of Hindus and place them in all Indian related articles."

Also, have a look at the article Pashtun people. I have not been examining it for a long time though but I suspect that he has been trying to take ownership of the article. Do take the kind of action you deem appropriate. I don't think such editors (who are upto no good) should be allowed to remain and edit Wikipedia. Thanks. It will also be good if you could semi-protect my talkpage as I shall not be logging in for quite sometime and there is a definite possibility that this user might come back with more attacks -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 23:17, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

It seems to be user coming from a variety of IP addresses all originating in Pakistan. As far as I know, there is no satisfactory solution for this. A range block might be possible, but requires the consensus of several admins. Your talk page is semi-protected for 3 months, since that is about the amount of time since the last IP (other than the vandal) has used it, when it was protected before. —EncMstr (talk) 23:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much :-). -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 23:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I guess there has been some edit war on between this particular editor and another IP for quite sometime there. Well, the editor claims that the image is offensive. Well, I am ready for any discussion with regard to this. But then, I feel that unless there are a considerable number of people in agreement with his views, the removal of the image may very well regarded as POV. Also, he had been maliciously tagging the image for deletion just because he does'nt like it despite the fact that the copyright-status of the image has been clearly expressed . Have a look at this

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Old_Pathan_1921.JPG&action=history -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 23:54, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Racism

Pathan old man from India.

Ravichandar is a racist Hindu from India and has uploaded the image of the homeless looking poor Punjabi old man from India so he can add to Pashtun people article. We cannot verify the information on the image because there is no link provided. This racist Hindu claimed that he personally took the image from the National Geographic magazine, this is a normal lie because if that was the case this racist Hindu would have added some more detailed information like telling us the location of where the photo was shot. We have no idea if the old man in the image is a Pashtun, a Punjabi or probably something else. I believe Ravichandar is another racist editor trying to express his ill feelings towards Pashtuns because most Hindus hate Pashtuns for backing Pakistan in case there is war between Pakistan and India as well as other reasons. Like how Ahmad Shah Durrani (Pashtun) defeated 100,000s Hindus 7 times. We know today that India's economy may be rising but it is still one of the poorest country on earth due to very large number of beggers who are starving everyday. The Pashtuns are not rich but also not beggers like the 100s of millions of Hindus in India. I can provide sources for everything I have explained here. That image does not belong in Pashtun people article so it should be removed because it is clearly offending a large group of people. The only thing the image expresses is extreme poverty. This Hindu racist does not know what is offensive so we have to teach this to him, her or it. All that nice writings he does is meaningless if he has dirty thoughts towards a large ethnic group, that's just plain evil. I'm very upset, as a common neutral editor, at him adding an image of poor old man that may not even be Pashtun to the article of Pashtun people. What was his purpose for adding that image anyway? At first he tried to put it in the info box [1], that's a clear sign that he wanted to mock Pashtuns. That's an act of a vandal. I nicely explained my concern to him on its talk page one time only there was no reason to protect his talk page because I didn't revert anything there. Him/her wishing I get blocked is another indication that he is extreme anti-Pashtun or anti-Pakistani.--119.30.71.201 (talk) 05:00, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your inquiry. In the future, please express yourself without attacking any other editor, and without assuming bad faith.

The image is marked as being from National Geographic Magazine, November 1921. Googling provides this link which indicates it contains articles titled, Through the Heart of Hindustan, The Marble Dams of Rajputana, The Empire of Romance-India, Outwitting the Water Demons of Kashmir, and A Pilgrimage to Amernath Himalayan Shrine of the Hindu Faith.

Given those titles, my guess is that the photograph does indeed come from that issue. The fact that the uploader did not provide additional information about the photograph simply means it is missing. Uploading media to Wikipedia is a daunting process with many demands for documentation and information. There's no cause to assume an abbreviated or omitted description is a lie.

I'm sorry you are so easily offended. You would do well to consider how your conduct and method of expression represents your ideals. For some perspective, consider Jesus with erection. It upsets many Christians, but that isn't cause for deletion, censure, nor harassing the editors creating the article or author of the work. —EncMstr (talk) 05:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Non-offensive photo.

Thanks for finding the link, but the titled articles in the Nov. 1921 NG magazine are about India, Indian people, Hindu religion and Hindu culture. The old man with ripped clothes in the above image is suppose to be Afghan (according to the User:Ravichandar84), belonging to the ethnic Pashtuns. The problem is that we cannot verify the man's true ethnic background, if he is Punjabi Indian as I suspect then it is obviously in the wrong article. It should be added to Punjabi people and I've done it. That image of the old Indian man with ripped clothes being used in Pashtun people article is for the sole purpose to degrade Pashtun people and should be removed from the article. Pashtun people is a general article about a group of people so there should just be general NON-offending and current images of Pashtun people, BUT NOT included in it Indian people or very old as User:Ravichandar84 has done. Besides, the image is in the wrong section of the article because there already is one photo available dating to 1878. I've added the photo on the right to the appropiate section of Pashtuns article before User:Ravichandar84 uploaded his photo. This is an example of what kind of photos should be placed, ones that do not show anything that may be offensive to some people and this one to the right is that. I don't think there is anything wrong with what I believe about all this.--119.30.76.159 (talk) 13:36, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Ravichandar84 is vandalizing articles by removing sourced content. [2] I think he is the one that is upto no good. There is a source (Profile: Shaperai Naghma) clearly explaining that Naghma was born in Kandahar, Afghanistan, but he removed that placed her birth location as Paktia province and that she is a prostitute.--119.30.69.250 (talk) 15:57, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, the article Through the Heart of Hindustan is about the journey of Maynard Owen Williams through the Grand Trunk Road from the Khyber Pass to Calcutta through Peshawar, Attock, Hasan Abdal, Rawalpindi, Lahore, Amritsar, Delhi, Allahabad and Benares. And then, Hindustan under British rule also included the whole of present-day Pakistan. As far as those reverts are concerned, those are a part of the regular counter-vandalism process. Of course, since the anonymous IP above has a history of disruptive editing and has been suspected of sockpuppetry by a fair chunk of editors to Pashtun people article, edits made by him/her are bound to be regarded as acts of vandalism and reverted. -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 18:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I have always been ready for a discussion of the image in the article discussion page. But then, the above editor has'nt been assuming good faith from the very beginning. The first time around he tagged the article for deletion explaining that it was due to lack of sources despite the fact that the sources have clearly been mentioned. When I reverted this edit of his, he responded with racist slurs and abuses in Urdu in my talkpage. And when Pashtun peoples article has been semi-protected by an administrator, he responded by introducing the image in an article on Indian Punjabi as a tit-for-tat measure.

As for the description of the image, I had only reproduced the caption used by Maynard Owen Williams.-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 18:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

You don't like me because my IP is from Pakistan and your a Hindu from India, that's very obvious and don't pretend as if this isn't true. You have no rights to remove sourced content. I'm putting up facts, it's you who is pushing POVs. You placed a Punjabi speaking Indian man in the Pashtun people article because you think he is Pashto-speaking Pashtun. Pakistan was part of Hindustan at the time when the old Punjabi man's photo was shot in 1921, meaning Pakistan at that time also had a very large number of Hindus, Sikhs, etc. Most of them left for India before the partition took place in 1947. The old man with torn clothes is typical looking Punjabi Muslim. If you really have that 1921 NG magazine then there should be some description telling where the photo of the old man taken. There is no way of verifying his ethnic background, you saying he is Pashtun and I'm saying he is Punjabi man from Hindustan.--119.30.67.250 (talk) 18:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't have time to answer to 119.30.17.201's crappy accusations. Anonymous user from Pakistan, you've indulged in every possible act prohibited as per WP:NOT: WP:CIVIL ([3],[4],[5],[6],[7]), WP:3RR ([8][9]), Wikipedia:Sock puppetry (119.30.76.138,119.30.67.8,119.30.77.149,119.30.70.188,119.30.78.21,119.30.67.250) and obviously, WP:NPOV. Consider it as sheer good fortune that you have not yet been blocked.-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 15:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not violating the rules of Wikipedia and I have my rights to keep myself anonymous online, you are showing hate again. Please control your hate or anger and try to focus on the subject we're discussing here, which is the unverifiable ethnicity of the old man in the photo that you uploaded at the very top of this section. Don't worry about who I really am. We need to verify something on the old man, can you upload the same photo but showing the text of the National Geographic Magazine. Similar as how you uploaded the photo on the right here or the others ones you uploaded that shows historical text next to it.--119.30.75.148 (talk) 16:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

A new version has been introduced as you wanted me to. Now shall we take a decision about you regarding your breach of Wikipedia's policies. -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 16:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that, now I see that he may be Pashto-speaking Pathan but it's still not 100% clear because the term "Pathan" also applies to Hindko-speaking Hindkowans who live in NWFP (where the old Pathan's photo may have been shot). I know alot about these Hindko-speaking Pathans, they are 50% Punjabi and 50% Pashtun. Their native language "Hindko" is much closer to Punjabi language than Pashto. If you hear it you think you're hearing someone speaking Punjabi and I have heard them speak because I have several Hindko-speaking friends. Anyway, I think to remove this mistrust on the old man's true ethnicity you can just replace his photo in the Pashtun people article with this new one on the right because the people in this photo are proven to be Pathans, with no doubt. This new photo is also much older than the old man's, which I considered it to be biased as well.--119.30.67.70 (talk) 22:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

File:Ghilzai nomads in Afghanistan.jpg

These are Ghilzai Pashtun people (Pathans or ethnic Afghans) during 1839-42.

These are Pashtun people (Pathans or ethnic Afghans) in 1869.

If you want even older photo of Pathans then this may be even better, to be used in Pashtun people article in the section that talks about ancient history or origin of the name Afghan.--119.30.67.70 (talk) 23:13, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Are all parties satisfied now? —EncMstr (talk) 02:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

No, because I want the "Old Pathan" photo removed from the Pashtun people#History and origins (including the one with men of different ethnic background standing in desert in 1878) and instead like to add the ones on the right in their places. The old man's ethnic backgound is not clear because the source (NGM) doesn't say anything about who he is. The people in these photos are in fact ethnic Pashtuns. My photos are much older than the old man's so it's better that we use the older photos because the section deals with "history and origins". My photos are best suitable for the section that is about origin of Pashtuns. I find the photos that are currently there very offensive, like someone is trying to say that Pashtuns are inferior ethnic race. Little do they know that the current United States Ambassador to the United Nations (Zalmay Khalilzad), India's top bollywood super stars (Shahrukh Khan, Feroz Khan, Aamir Khan, Fardeen Khan and many others) are Pashtun (known in India as Pathans). A Pashtun man (Abdul Ahad Mohmand) went to space and spent 9 days in MIR space station in 1988, becoming the 3rd Muslim to do so. He beat people from UK, Japan, China, Israel and many other countries because they all went to space after him. Another Pashtun man (Muhammad Muhsin Khan) from Kandahar is responsible for translating the Quran into the English language and his bio is in the front to every Noble Quran. I can keep going but I guess it's enough to make my point that Pashtuns should not be looked at as inferior, they make the status as being superior. User:EncMstr can you please put these latest photos in place of the 2 in Pashtun people#History and origin because that article is full locked and I can't edit it.--119.30.71.31 (talk) 20:29, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Dog

I know maybe you don't know this but that picture of the lab is golden lab. Most labs are black, but some are yellow. The yellow ones are not called yellow like the black ones are caled black because they are called golden. Jack Russell Lover 12:03 PM 2 June 2008

It was obvious to me that it was a golden lab. I changed it because "golden" inside the double-square brackets changed Labrador Retriever to Golden Labrador Retriever. A red link means there is no linked article—an invitation to start such an article. But it also means no one could click on it to learn about Labrador Retrievers. —EncMstr (talk) 07:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Do you think I should right the article on the Golden Lab? I can do it if your too busy. Jack Russell Lover 12:26 AM 2 June 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by JackRussellLover (talk • contribs) 07:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Have a look at this section of the current Lab article: Labrador Retriever#Non-variants. Is there something there you'd change or add? What would the article you'd write have that the current general Lab article is missing? —EncMstr (talk) 07:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Oregon protected area DYKs

Just a suggestion. I notice you've used {{infobox park}} for those. That's really best for parks like Central Park that are designed for recreation rather than conservation. I added both of them to the protected areas project, and you could either use that infobox or, if you've got a lot of info and you're feeling bold, the protected area arguments for {{Geobox}}. Daniel Case (talk) 03:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

List of guidebooks about the Sierra Nevada listed at AFD

If you wish, please contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of guidebooks about the Sierra Nevada. hike395 (talk) 04:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Samuel H. Boardman State Scenic Corridor

On 4 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Samuel H. Boardman State Scenic Corridor, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 07:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Devils Punch Bowl State Natural Area

On 4 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Devils Punch Bowl State Natural Area, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 13:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Flattery...

It appears I have a fan Katr66 (talk · contribs · logs). They have done nothing too alarming except turn the education section in the K Falls article into a linkfarm. So can I request s/he change her name? Katr67 (talk) 19:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

 Done I've "encouraged" them to choose a new account name. —EncMstr (talk) 22:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Looks like this account was started at the same time. Go figure. Katr67 (talk) 23:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

 Done How's it feel to be so closely emulated? —EncMstr (talk) 00:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Strange. I might usurp this one, just to be safe. I don't think that one had anything to do with me. Katr67 (talk) 00:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

40 Mile Loop

On 5 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 40 Mile Loop, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 19:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

3RR

Thanks for the note -- if you want to join in any reverting, please feel free. As I told Geoff, I'm not too concerned about it, because BLP concerns trump 3RR. But any support would certainly be welcome. -Pete (talk) 06:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

re: 3RR

Hello. Thanks for the warning. However, it is actually user:Rewinn who is vandalizing the article by removing the image that I added. He is senselessly edit warring and vandalizing (removing the image). Can you please send him this 3RR warning also and also a vandalism warning? Thanks. CanuckAnthropologist (talk) 05:34, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

A is for Apple at COTW

Hello again to those of the WikiProject we call Oregon. Time for another edition of Collaboration of the Week. Last week there was some good improvements to Music of Oregon and Phil Knight, great job everyone. This week, by request is the Applegate Trail, which is short enough to easily conjure up a DYK. Then, I’m trying something a little different, with the Portland State stuff. We included the two high profile schools during Civil War week last year, so now its time for the younger sibling that gets no respect to get some attention. After all, it is the largest college in the state. Feel free to help with whatever aspects you like, though to help with some ideas I added some to the article talk page. Click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Nana na na, hey hey hey, goouud byeeee. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

List of rivers in Oregon

Thanks for catching those errors. I sometimes do things in too much of a hurry, and my error rate creeps up. Om, om, om. Finetooth (talk) 19:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

No sweat. Is Om, om, om meditation? If so, keep at it. —EncMstr (talk) 20:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the Invite

Thanks for inviting me to the Oregon COTW project. ScottFish (talk) 21:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Regarding racist abuses and POV by editor

Well, it has been repeatedly brought to the notice of the administrators that a particular user from Pakistan, through a set of anonymous IPs has been indulging in personal abuses, POV pushing and racism against India.(Ask any Indian editor what this slur in particular means) However, I observe that nothing has been done to this regard. Moreover, this last edit by the same editor clearly indicates that the user is unrelentive and gives the impression that the admninistrators are acting partisan in this regard. This is a very serious issue and may have far-reaching consequences. If this editor is allowed to continue uttering his venomous racist nonsense then I may have to escalate this matter.

Ravichandar84, this is the talk page to discuss things relating to the Pashtun people article. If you have issues with a user over his/her's behaviour you should take it to administrator notice board. Several administrators were involved in your/mines incident and they didn't find my actions offensive, I was leaving message on their talk pages and they didn't warn me about any thing.

-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 02:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

What do you think should be done? According to the IP, you have the upper hand with a misidentified photo (apparently very objectionable) in place. —EncMstr (talk) 02:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

More than the picture, the issue of the person's behavior is the one which matters. If the IP finds the image to be objectionable then it is his POV. The issue of the image has almost been sorted out. But then, if you don't like a picture on the site you don't respond by attacking the uploader in his talkpage or anything like that, isn't it. And then, I have reproduced his comments on the discussion page. How can his words be interpreted? He justifies his racist attacks and abuses and probably reiterates that he will continue to indulge in such activities in the future. -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 06:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't have any sort of bias against anyone. If the image is found to be objectionable, then all right. Go ahead. Let the appropriate decision be taken upon the image as per Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If an anonymous user indulges in disruptive edits and abuses then let the appropriate action be taken against him/her according to the policies. -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 06:10, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, it seems like he has settled down considerably. He began with diatribes containing like 99% name-calling and accusations, etc. Now he discusses points pretty rationally, with only a small measure of name-calling and accusation—maybe 20%? Granted, that's not perfect, but it's significant progress. I imagine living in Pakistan would have a great deal of effect on one's worldview. If you're fine with the photo taking its course, and he hasn't attacked you lately—I don't see any on your talk page—what more do you think should be done? —EncMstr (talk) 06:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, he needs to admit that what he has done wasn't right and does not conform to the rules of Wikipedia. Else, he is bound to repeat it; if not me, then its gonna be someone else. He should not get the impression that he is free to do whatever he likes and that there is no one to watch over him. By the way, I also observe that he has been randomly switching IPs almost at the rate of 1 edit per IP. This, too, should be discouraged. -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 17:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Ravi, you should understand that Wikipedia does not force people to create accounts in order to be allowed to edit. If someone chooses to be annonymous they may do so but their IP will show everytime they edit. If you look at history of any article you'll notice that many people edit using IPs and I'm not the only one. About the photo, I am still against it's usage in the Pashtun people article because it is very old image to be used to describe people in 2008. If he was a popular figure (i.e. Ghandi or Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, etc.) then it was fine but he is just a street man and that's not how all Pathans dress today. Zalmay Khalilzad, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, is a Pathan by ethnic but again not all Pathans dress like him. On top of all this I left the image alone and let others decide if it should be removed or not. About my useage of "behn-chode", as you know this is widely used in Pakistan and India so I guess you don't use it and I'll not use it again.--119.30.79.195 (talk) 03:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC)