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Corralling the Talk Page Stalkers

Seeing as everyone else seems to be doing this, let's have a go as well...
I'm curious as to who's watching this page, as the oddest mix of people seem to periodically pop up with comments here, and quotes from this page seem to turn up on assorted policy discussions, badsites and blogs at the strangest times. For my curiosity's sake, would you please add #~~~~ below if you're reading this message? Thanks! As I believe I said once before in another context, think of it as Facebook for people who don't want to show their faces.

Note to banned users; I won't count it against you, and request that no-one else does, if you sign here even if it's a technical breach of your ban. I know that some of you are watching this page (waves to Canterberry) and I'd be interested to see who. If you're hardblocked or don't want to risk breaching your ban/revealing your IP, feel free to email me instead & I'll manually add you.

Note to everyone else; this is not a guestbook but a "snapshot" of this particular week – please don't "direct" people here unless they're actually reading this page.

Talk Page Stalkers:

Karanacs (talk) 16:25, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 16:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
RyanLupin • (talk) 16:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Amalthea^Talk 16:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC) (probably not for too long though, there's too much traffic here ;)[reply]
This is totally a guestbook. –xeno (talk) 16:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it's not a guestbook Tombomp (talk/contribs) 17:33, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dear god, what have I started. I was merely trying to prove a point to Orangemarlin. Of course I watch this page. My paranoia won't allow me to unwatchlist. Keeper ǀ 76 17:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
AFAIK I saw this done first on User talk:Lucy-marie – Keeps, for once you're not to blame. – iride scent 17:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lucy-marie posted hers on Aug 19. I started mine, to prove a point to Orangemarlin, on Aug 18. I'm a bit terrified at the response, really. There are several names on their I've never seen or heard before. I know of at least one other editor (steve crossin) that is looking for the same ego boost :-) Keeper ǀ 76 18:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You're absolutely right, I'm going senile... If you want your ego re-dented, slap one on Giggy and Lara's talkpages and watch them race to 500. – iride scent 18:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would put one on giggy's, but by the time it reached 300 affirmatives, there would be 100 or more non-post posts that claim that he canvassed for those 300 through sultry blogs, missives, and email attacks. Keeper ǀ 76 18:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Only watchlisted because we had conversations on the 11th and 13th, but it's an interesting read, I might forget to unlist it... JohnCD (talk) 17:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Slightly embarassing to discover that I'm a TPS, but it's a good read. Darkspots (talk) 18:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And I've brought my own stalker along with my post. [1] Twofer da price of one. You're welcome. Darkspots (talk) 23:25, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What talkpage would be complete without at least one piece of Wiki brah trolling? – iride scent 23:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not watchlisted but I come for a chat when my watchlist is quiet. — Realist² 18:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ImmortalGoddezz (t/c) 18:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC) I've had yours watchlisted for a while, though I haven't jumped in on any convos (yet, well besides this one).[reply]
(Eco walks across the project from the AfD forums, stops, takes out a cigarette, flicks his lighter, inhales, puts his lighter in his pocket, looks around at his surroundings, sees a list of TPS names, exhales, walks over to the list, takes out a Swiss Army knife, opens the blade, inhales again while humming "Pata Pata" to himself, carves his name on the list, closes the knife, exhales, puts his hands in his jacket pockets, walks off in the direction of WikiProject agriculture, inhaling...) Ecoleetage (talk) 19:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OMG. That was beautiful. Simply beautiful....Keeper ǀ 76 19:41, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fabrictramp. Only a small time one-discussion stalker. But I did love Mel on FOTC, so now I'm worried... :)
Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Jclemens (talk) 00:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't watchlist anything, I just drift around, just drifted here from AN. RMHED (talk) 01:59, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
J.delanoy ^gabs _adds 02:26, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Miaow. Risker (talk) 02:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC) See previous thread for explanation.[reply]
sheepishly sticks toe in the water ^S._D.D.J.Jameson 02:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, err, umm, not watchlisted or anything but err, umm ... BMW(drive) 11:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Feels weird

Reading this feels odd. — Realist² 20:42, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unreal. This one, you probably should contact Mike Godwin (

mgodwin

wikimedia.org) to notify him, since the Times is a significant enough paper that a potential copyvio/derivation from them needs to be looked into. (Aside from anything else, a Times article will become a Reliable Source, so any errors in the article will now be "set in stone"). – iride scent 15:31, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another admin contacted him. It's also gone live on Jimbo's talk page and I have left an official statement on the MJ talk page obviously. First people were saying it isn't a copy but after I showed evidence they change their tune to "it's no big deal". I and Mr. Jackson himself have received person attacks on Jimbo's page. The Times is no longer a reliable source to use on wikipedia if it makes a direct mirror image of our work without crediting us. I could use their article on any other article relating to MJ. While in this case it's not an issue because the material is accurate, it might not be on other articles they copy and pass as their own. They have presented a mirror image, we might as well be sourcing wikipedia itself. It's also disappointing that they didn't credit us, a missed opportunity for some positive news from a mainstream publication. We get so much criticism, yet the Times thinks it's OK to copy us, they will slag us off in another article, you watch. This has also made me realize that the work I create might have a larger audience than I expected. It's weird. — Realist² 17:21, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For background reference on a similar situation (again involving the Times), you might want to read this thread. On this occasion, an article with a hoax edit in it was used, and (until the Times published a retraction) it meant the hoax was "official" as it had been published in a reliable source. – iride scent 16:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: for info of anyone not aware, the extended discussion on this subject is here – iride scent 10:57, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Abigail Toyne

Hi
When working on the notability backlog, I noticed that you had previously marked Abigail Toyne as a copyright violation (see Talk:Abigail Toyne#Copyvio) while actually it's them who violate the GFDL by using Wikipedia material without properly attributing it. Since I didn't find anything in the FAQs myself, do you (or any of your talk page stalkers) know if the Wikimedia Foundation is actually pursuing these things, and if so where to report it?
Thanks & Cheers, Amalthea^Talk 23:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've no idea, but someone reading this (probably Giggy) will know. Whether WMF would bother chasing down a violation on such a no-importance article is another matter. And well spotted! – iride scent 15:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, if you want to chase this up legally (I'm not sure it's worth the effort on such a low-profile article) than follow the suggestion I give Realist2 in the thread above, as the cases are similar. – iride scent 20:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I saw that thread. I think I will drop him a line, since all of the pornstar articles on that page seem to have originated here. They can still decide to drop it.
Thanks & Cheers, Amalthea^Talk 11:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, Mike said that the WMF can't take any action there since it doesn't hold the copyright to the articles in question. Which is true of course, I thought that they might still act as some kind of proxy.
Amalthea^Talk 15:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: for info of anyone not aware, the extended discussion on this subject is here – iride scent 10:57, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Audio sample

Hi Irid, can you make audio samples for songs? I did ask someone else but after already making a number of them for me he didn't reply to this request. I would like one for a michael Jackson song obviously. — Realist² 21:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Creation and usage of media files#Audio and Wikipedia:Music samples are the instructions. You're on your own when it comes to actually doing it. Some of the Commons people might be in a position to help as that's where the sound files are actually hosted. – iride scent 21:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think I will just keep going around begging for help. — Realist² 21:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You might try ~~Lara~~ Jennavecia, a lot of music-and-image types hang round her talkpage – iride scent 22:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I plied guilty on all counts. — Realist² 23:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Unlawful Revert Police will be along shortly to take you for your compulsory re-indoctrination session. Nobody defies The Cabal™ and lives to tell the tale! I will shortly be joining you in wikijail for my relentless campaign of persecution against Wikipedia's dissidents, when the Proletarian Revolution overthrows the corrupt Walesist-Beesleyist ancien regime and its horde of lickspittle SlimVirginal-Postlethwaitist lackeys and fellow travellers. A new Wikipedia, the chains of the masses untied! A new Wikipedia, the voice of the people cannot be denied! – iride scent 00:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it was the nicest response I have ever given, most people would be off my christmas card list if they sent me that. — Realist² 00:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well done with that... AGF sounds great in theory but when you've dealt with a dozen brand-new accounts adding the exact same unreferenced "fact" in a row, or someone posting over a megabyte of incoherent gibberish which somehow "proves" that you're the most evil thing on teh interwebs and/or the unwitting tool of the Cabal (not that I have anyone in particular in mind) assuming good faith can feel a bit like being ordered at gunpoint to change your religion. I seem to remember that you've been on the receiving end of my assuming bad faith (or at least, its close cousin) once or twice... – iride scent 00:59, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It goes with the territory of being a self confessed Jackson fan. Most people imagine me as naive, stupid or a child. I don't mind being one of the most hated people on wikipedia, (according to the ration of people I bump into). I usually start off really bad with someone then become friendly. I've declared war on a number of people, including admins, hehe, but it all works out. I try to assume good faith more these days, but I still have near zero respect for IP's, they are only a nuisance on the articles I work with. — Realist² 01:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some IPs are very useful; most are not. Gurch did some analysis at one point that roughly 50% of IP edits are legitimate, but that 90% of vandalism comes from IPs. As I've said before, I see no reason IPs should still be allowed to edit; the 30 seconds it takes to create an account wouldn't create any delay to a genuine editor (even if they wanted to create a fresh account for each edit), while it would be enough to discourage many of the bored children and /b/ mass-attacks.

Not sure being an MJ fan really counts against you. Someone is buying those 750 million albums... If anything, I'd say it makes you less likely to be a child, not more, as he's totally disconnected from the youth market at the moment (anyone under 18-19 won't even remember him as a performer, just as "that weird looking baby-dangling guy who you wouldn't want babysitting your kids"). I think it goes with the territory of being on Wikipedia, not with you in particular; anyone who's ever worked in anything remotely controversial acquires a corona of fruitloops and fuckwits around them. – iride scent 01:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, indeed, someone is buying his records, it's funny how much the media portray him as finished yet his records still go to number one. The media want us to believe he has no fans left, but someone bought 3 million copies of a reissue in 12 weeks. I've been doing the figures, and its clear that Jackson's sales in this decade are very close, if not better, to the sales of Usher and Justin Timberlake. If you add in what his pre 2001 records are still selling he very easily outsells them. Of course sales are only seen from a US perspective, it's only a hit if it's a hit in America. But only 25% of his sales for the past 20 years come from the US. The US music industry amounts to 50% of the market. That means for the past 20 years Jackson has disproportionally been relying on international sales. Ultimately he is the only Western superstar that doesn't need America to generate huge sales. — Realist² 01:35, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The only Western superstar that doesn't need America to generate huge sales? – iride scent 01:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, a more interesting one to the list above is Gary Glitter, who despite being an indefensibly wretched specimen of humanity by any possible definition still earns millions in sales & royalties.Note to any outraged fans and/or lawyers – I am not equating or comparing Michael Jackson with Gary Glitter. – iride scent 01:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the word "superstar" is flung around too easily. Your only a superstar when you start to break 100 million albums and most people in the world have heard your name. It makes me want to vomit when I hear people call "Rihanna" a superstar. I would call Rolling Stone, Cliff Richard and Julio Iglesias superstars I guess. I don't know what their US sales are like, probably a lot more than 25 percent. — Realist² 01:54, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd certainly add Oasis and Robbie Williams/Take That to that list; although neither caused even a ripple in the US, they'd both pass the "would be instantly recognised even by people who don't know their music" test in most of Europe. I've no idea how the Spice Girls's sales break down but I suspect they'd be in the "less than 25% of sales in the US" group as well - and certainly qualify as superstars (Madonna must grind her teeth to see Spice still ahead of anything of hers by total sales). – iride scent 02:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unbelievable sales of Spice. Still, MJ beat spice 3 times. 4 times if you count HIStory in unit sales. The days of 20+ million are long gone however. — Realist² 02:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If there's ever a new Pink Floyd album that will reach it; I can't see anyone else doing it today. – iride scent 02:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

MJ would have to do something Bad like fake his own death on the day of the album release and hide for about 3 years to rack up the sales. Then at some point he would have to come out and admit it was all planned. Alternatively he could rack up the sales by fucking touring!, no chance of that though. — Realist² 02:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The really sensible thing would be an Asian tour - the mud never stuck there like it did in the US. A residency in Macau would probably generate more than a residency in Vegas now. – iride scent 02:22, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly, you might want to put Jade Goody on your watchlist, she was just diagnosed with cancer, no joke. — Realist² 02:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Watching. She's so heavily vandalised that I assume plenty of others also watch her. – iride scent 02:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So far, she's remaining startlingly unvandalised. Incidentally, what's even more impressive about the sales of the Thriller reissue is that – given that it's the highest selling etc etc etc – presumably most of those purchasers already owned it and were buying it just for the bonus tracks. – iride scent 15:25, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally... A Startling Fact

Have just noticed that this was my 75,000th edit. Frighteningly, I am only 1 place behind MiszaBot III on the high-score table for the Wikipedia MMORPG. – iride scent 03:25, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And, poor Image:Arikvivigj8.jpg had the dubious honour today of being my 1800th deletion... – iride scent 03:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

75,000th, I won't be here that long. — Realist² 04:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

75,000 isn't quite as impressive as it sounds; there's a lot of rollbacks and recategorisations in there – iride scent 04:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Modest. I have 23,000 but I've only been here since the end of May 2007. I guess thats quite a lot for the time period. I use my sandbox a lot, I write whole articles in it sometimes. I mostly build articles and maintain WP:MJJ and WP:JANET (I created the second one). Then theres all the GA/FA/PR reviewing. I've started doing AfD's recently (cleaning out the bad articles in the wikiprojects), nominating rather than commenting. I'm not sure where im going next. Useight is going to coach me soon, isn't that scary. — Realist² 05:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you're doing bulk AfDs and you have Firefox installed, then if you haven't already get on over to WP:TW and install Twinkle. The Twinkle XfD tool is one piece of Wikipedia automation that really does pay its way; just click on "xfd" at the top, select a topic, type the deletion reason into the box and press the button; the AfD set up, appropriately del-sorted, links to any previous AfDs on the topic automatically added to the discussion, the article creator notified and directed to the discussion, and the AfD discussion added to your watchlist, all with a single click. – iride scent 16:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I installed it, damn it's a sexy tool, everything I could need. Cheers. — Realist² 17:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a tool to find these special edit milestones? –xeno (talk) 16:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here you go.[2] Risker (talk) 16:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'preciate it. don't forget to sign into the talk page stalker registration book ↓ down there. cheers =) –xeno (talk) 16:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Risker's not a stalker, she's a visitor – her turning up on a talkpage is the Wikipedia equivalent of being adopted by next door's cat. – iride scent 16:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC) note: that was intended in the sense of "cute and fluffy thing coming to visit you", not "steals your food and pees on your chair" – iride scent[reply]

Breathes sigh of relief. Although it's been a while since I've been called "cute and fluffy". :-) Risker (talk) 17:55, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure you're very cute and fluffy. And possibly steal food and pee on the couch. (To briefly revive the "how editors picture each other" thread that graced WP:AN/K a couple of weeks ago, I picture you as a cross between Alanis Morrisette and John Lennon). – iride scent 18:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You'd be shocked how accurate that assessment is. Ermm...except for the peeing on the couch part, I don't usually do that. ;-) Risker (talk) 23:32, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or, go to your preferences to get your editcount (or take it direct from toolserver) and count backwards. – iride scent 17:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trinity Life Center

LOL! I was debating whether to replace the speedy tag removed by the article creator or go with a prod. :) --Fabrictramp | talk to me 17:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

File:Wiccan ritual.PNG

A rare glimpse into the WikiCult initiation ceremony.

Hell, it could be notable for all I know... My instinct with anyone's first page, unless it's blatant spam, is always prod/AfD as opposed to speedy; that way, they have the chance to ask what was wrong with the article and think of ways to improve it, rather than go away with the "Wikipedia is run by a bunch of elitist assholes who delete articles without explanation" impression. (Which is, of course, true, but people can find that out for themselves after they've been recruited into the WikiCult). – iride scent 17:40, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Same here -- if I'd encountered it cold, I probably would have either just tagged for notability or possibly prodded after a gsearch. The only thing that put speedy in my mind was the improper removal of the prior speedy tag by the article creator. It just struck me as funny that you changed it to prod in less time than I spent waivering between prod and speedy. (When do we get our WikiRobes from the WikiCult? Or do the flowing robes only come when we reach elitist asshole rank? And should I sign your wikistalker section if I'm only watching your page for the duration of this conversation?)--Fabrictramp | talk to me 17:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, feel free to sign the stalker-thingy – my intention is to get a rough snapshot of the week or so until it auto-archives. Anyway, people "briefly" watchlisting this page have a habit of staying to watch the trainwrecks. (Where else do you get Nazi cats, Australian pornography, and a soundclip of User:Persian Poet Gal reading the text of WP:NOR?) BTW, not to direct people towards WP:BADSITES which are, obviously, a Very Bad Thing, but googling "Wikicult" throws up a remarkable soup of disgruntled ex-Arbs, trolls and loons. Which is which, I leave as an exercise for the reader. – iride scent 18:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, if any TPSs want a challenge, get Trinity Life Center up to a keepable status by the time the prod closes. – iride scent 13:28, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Warrent a warning for disruption or something?

Annoying. — Realist² 18:10, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Borderline – but I'm less than impressed by this offering. I don't think he warrants a warning – yet – but I suspect he'll be talking to us via {{unblock}} fairly soon if he doesn't calm down. – iride scent 18:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I checked all his edits, I couldn't figure out if he was being anti Semitic or not so I just left it. I think his dubious votes should be removed. — Realist² 18:17, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, if any TPSs want to go through his contributions there's some "unusual" stuff in there. Anyone who's ever interacted with Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles will probably be as startled as he to discover that he's a member of the deletionist cabal.

I wouldn't worry too much about his disruptive voting - the closers will hopefully have the sense to disregard them. My instincts say /b/tard, but my AGF says "new user who doesn't know the ropes". – iride scent 18:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Holy shit though. I'm saving that diff. LG said delete and is accused of being a deletionist? Was that a pig that just flew by, on it's way to an ice skating party in Hades? Someone go speedy close that thing! It must be non-notable! Keeper ǀ 76 18:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I thought he was a new user, but he spits out wikilinks to policy too well to be a newbie, unless I was just a retarded fish face when I started. — Realist² 18:32, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, he's not a new user. Only a matter of time before it's figured out which old user he is. And you're not a fish face. (zing!!!!!). Keeper ǀ 76 18:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My Wiki brah/JeanLatore detector is twitching, put it that way... – iride scent 18:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Filed. –xeno (talk) 18:55, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not enough to warrant a checkuser yet – no Miami edits or sexual harassment – but see if Alison's in a good mood today. Not For Fishing and all that, but it's certainly someone. – iride scent 19:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The disruptive voting, drug reference and "dude" are enough for me. The only thing that I'm confused about is the account was registered Aug 8, it should've came up in the last CU. –xeno (talk) 19:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And I just sit back and watch? No fun, oh well I have pop corn in the cupboard and there aint nothing on TV. — Realist² 19:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

←The computer says no. Anyone else want to play supersleuth? – iride scent 20:33, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hrm, either its not him or he's getting better at evading CU. –xeno (talk) 20:33, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The latter – iride scent 22:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just testing?

Hee-hee! (Gaargh, I don't comment frequently at WP:AN, and when I do, people just ignore me anyway... sniff... sob...) Bencherlite ^Talk 00:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A favour

Can I ask a a favour from you if you have the time. Can you please carry out a peer review of the British National Party article. as you are a disinterested party and know the policies and guidelines of wikipedia. Many thanks Lucy-marie (talk) 12:19, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but I can't promise when it will be. Note to anyone else watching this page; if anyone else uninvolved can take a look, so much the better, as a subject like this could probably do with as many eyes as possible on it. – iride scent 12:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bassboosa

Hello. Please, do not delete my Bassboosa article. I know they're not a big name, but I got references to all data in their page and besides they are one of the biggest bands nowadays in Eastern Europe in terms of airplay. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bandi669 (talk • contribs) 12:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:BAND and WP:RS. Wikipedia is not Myspace or a web host, and it's not enough for you to say they're important – you need to include reliable sources to indicate why they're notable enough by Wikipedia standards to warrant their own article. – iride scent 12:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blind reverts

If you disagree with information benig inserted into an article, please at least check to see what else has been done before doing a blind revert. Here you reverted a WP:DATE fix, and categorisation of the article. You might also want to note that Goal.com is not a reliable source by any stretch of the imagination. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 12:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough and apologies – although I still maintain that a €3.8M transfer is notable (that €10m figure is my error from the fee in Brazilian Reals). – iride scent 12:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::::Modest. I have 23,000 but I've only been here since the end of May 2007. I guess thats quite a lot for the time period. I use my sandbox a lot, I write whole articles in it sometimes. I mostly build articles and maintain [[WP:MJJ]] and [[WP:JANET]] (I created the second one). Then theres all the GA/FA/PR reviewing. I've started doing AfD's recently (cleaning out the bad articles in the wikiprojects), nominating rather than commenting. I'm not sure where im going next. Useight is going to coach me soon, isn't that scary. — [[User:Realist2|<span style="color:#4173E4">'''''Realist'''''</span>]][[User_talk:Realist2|<span style="color:#D80B0B"><sup>'''''2'''''</sup></span>]] 05:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 :::::If you're doing bulk AfDs and you have Firefox installed, then if you haven't already get on over to [[WP:TW]] and install Twinkle. The Twinkle XfD tool is one piece of Wikipedia automation that really does pay its way; just click on "xfd" at the top, select a topic, type the deletion reason into the box and press the button; the AfD set up, appropriately del-sorted, links to any previous AfDs on the topic automatically added to the discussion, the article creator notified and directed to the discussion, and the AfD discussion added to your watchlist, all with a single click.<font face="Trebuchet MS">&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|<font color="#E45E05">iride</font>]][[User_talk:Iridescent|<font color="#C1118C">scent</font>]]<small>&nbsp;16:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)</small></font>
+::::::I installed it, damn it's a sexy tool, everything I could need. Cheers. — [[User:Realist2|<span style="color:#4173E4">'''''Realist'''''</span>]][[User_talk:Realist2|<span style="color:#D80B0B"><sup>'''''2'''''</sup></span>]] 17:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 *Is there a tool to find these special edit milestones? –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 16:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 ::Here you go.[http://toolserver.org/~tangotango/milestone.php]  [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 16:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)